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You'd have to ask Dr Henry that. I'm no virologist/immunologist. Do we know how many people 42% refers to? lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 03/07/2021 21:27:14 2355789 Link 1 |
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No the article didnt say. But probably not many more than 42% of people in Britain are fully vaccinated. If even 42%. The people I know in their 40s over there have only had 1. I'm not saying the vaccines are completely pointless. The point I'm continually trying to make is that people thinking everything should go back to a pre covid normality because they have been vaccinated are delusional.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11732 - 03/07/2021 23:33:33 2355857 Link 2 |
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That's true. I have friends in their 30s and 40s who've had the AZ vaccine, both doses so it seems like a geographic lottery over there. I myself got my second dose on Thursday of the Pfizer one and I'm only coming around now. The side affects were really unpleasant. My partner had a sore arm and nothing else.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 04/07/2021 10:08:55 2355913 Link 0 |
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You have to take the whole formula into consideration though Viking66, taken on it's own like that could easily give the impression to many that the odds of dying after contracting even when I am fully vaccinated are 6/4 and 4/6 if I am not. That couldn't be further from the truth. It's not necessary to know how many people died to do the calculation, just use (x), the only thing which alters the calculation is the age bracket of the patient and the percentage of the population as a whole who contract delta or modeling estimations. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/07/2021 10:54:06 2355934 Link 0 |
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How many of them died of Covid ? As opposed to something else within 28 days of testing positive ? lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 04/07/2021 11:34:29 2355953 Link 2 |
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It does seem from talking to my friends in my age group, 50s, that the after vaccine symptoms vary wildly. Thankfully noone I know has developed clots or serious life threatening symptoms after a vaccine. Most who have had the Pfizer seemed to get no really ill effects after the 1st or 2nd dose. Mostly a sore arm which from my experience of getting injections from growing up in Africa is actually from the needle physically being pushed into your muscle. I only know 1 friend who got the Johnson. He didnt miss any days off work after it. I know a few dozen who got quite sick, like a dose of the flu, after the Astrazeneca, roughly split 50/50 between the 1st and 2nd dose. Noone got sick after both doses though. And most didnt get that sick after either dose. I'm still undecided whether to get it or not. About a quarter of my friends havent got it yet and most of them won't. Some like me are still at the waiting and seeing stage. Another friend who had both doses got covid 2 weeks ago but only had mild symptoms. The other friend mentioned earlier in this thread who got both doses and subsequently got covid was asymptomatic. Both these friends are in their 60s.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11732 - 04/07/2021 13:55:11 2355985 Link 0 |
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Interesting, so you can still transmit the virus though vaccinated. Then why are they trying to jab children??
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 04/07/2021 18:43:00 2356135 Link 2 |
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I guess it is to protect children from serious illness or worse. I was reading an article about Brazil where they are alarmed at the amount of children under 10 years old who have died after contracting the virus.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/07/2021 20:22:26 2356211 Link 0 |
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But in general the children don't become ill, or at least very very few. The general health of children in the poorer areas of Brazil would be poor to start with, we can't really compare. How many 'healthy' children have died in Europe? I'd bet the percentage barely registers. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 04/07/2021 21:13:46 2356250 Link 3 |
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I had AZ, my wife extended family and friends and nothing to report. Going through DCU vaccination centre was unreal thousands upon thousands I cant help thinking side effects are overstated for lits of reasons. The fact is they (WHO/HSE) still do not know for certain if a vaccinated person can pass it on, so they err on caution. But the sooner we all get vaccinated the better, its the only gig in town. The sooner we get crowds back and more importantly we get our lives back. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 04/07/2021 21:44:55 2356271 Link 1 |
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This winter will tell an awful lot, thats for sure. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 04/07/2021 22:11:27 2356289 Link 0 |
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Could they perhaps be a little more specific? Like, if you think about it, if even 10 children die in a nation as highly populated as Brazil you could describe that as alarming, or if the doctor says he/she is alarmed by a particular subjects case, well there's a good headline for a click seeking journalist. -doctor "alarmed" by covid emergency-(whatever sells ya know?) I'm just surprised that the news corporation that reported about these Brazilian children didn't blame the virus on Russian hackers. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 04/07/2021 22:28:37 2356300 Link 1 |
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I see the English are going to open all up and do away with mandatory mask wearing from the 19th July according to reports today, we'll know if was a good decision or not by mid August anyway, get your jabs and lets hope we can get back to some kind of a normal life again. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 04/07/2021 22:40:00 2356313 Link 0 |
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Well that's it We got going again just before Christmas just as the British variant arrived and it caused a right mess, our opening and it's arrival couldn't have been timed worse. The delta variant is far more transmissable again, and we're opening up a little more just as that arrives and is now responsible for 1 in 2 cases It's a very similar scenario.. opening up just as a new highly contagious mutated strain arrives Although now we have a vaccine and they are trying to get it into as many as they can.. trying to build up this "wall" Let's see if it helps, it's all up in the air this.. The British are banking on their vaccine program bolstering their reopening Ireland has a way to go yet before matching their vaccinated population figure As you said the Autumn/Winter will tell it's own story jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 05/07/2021 11:34:57 2356454 Link 2 |
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The Brazilian Health Ministry says 1,122 children under the age of 10 have died from Covid-19 since the pandemic started. The Brazilian government records the number people who died from severe acute respiratory diseases -- such as severe cases of the flu, and others. However, researchers from global health organization Vital Strategies, which works in more than 70 countries around the world, say its studies suggest such case numbers have been severely underreported. When comparing the number of Brazilian child deaths from such illnesses in 2018 and 2019 with the number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, Vital Strategies found an excess 2,975 deaths. The organization says it's likely that the vast majority of these excess deaths -- not just the official number of 1,122 -- were because of Covid-19. Courtesy cnn AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 05/07/2021 11:59:00 2356474 Link 0 |
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It's possible that's one reason but I think everyone should be vaccinated regardless of age. I also think that a bar or restaurant owner for example would be perfectly within their rights to refuse entry to anyone who can can not show proof of vaccination, that's a little bit down the road yet but it could very well become the norm Any activity which would put one in close contact with others for any significant amount of time and where mask wearing is at odds with the activity undertaken, for example eating or drinking. It all depends if the virus becomes more aggressive or benign and I don't think anyone knows that but if someone refuses to be vaccinated then I think they should also accept that there may be a price to pay in regards to their participation or enjoyment of activates that those who are vaccinated can freely do. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 05/07/2021 12:16:13 2356487 Link 0 |
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There are 40 million people under the age of 15 in Brazil. If those excess deaths you mentioned above are accurate, then that, as a fraction, is 1/14333rd of the youth population.. Considering that Brazil has a poor enough health service, avd that it was very slow to enforce the draconian measures that we did, then if anything those minuscule numbers mentioned above damage your argument, not enhance it. I would have assumed it would be way way worse. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 05/07/2021 12:52:56 2356507 Link 1 |
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Well its seems it can be caught and passed,vaccinated or not. So to put a 'vaccine' into a child's body, a vaccine that has yet to prove itself, is irresponsible in my opinion.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 05/07/2021 13:15:34 2356517 Link 3 |
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And the results of the numerous trials on children taking the vaccines are?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11732 - 05/07/2021 15:00:23 2356578 Link 0 |
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Definitely. Madness.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11732 - 05/07/2021 15:01:24 2356580 Link 0 |