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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well you're wrong there straight away, vaccines have been approved for children by the European Medicines Agency and as a matter of fact the HSE are currently planning for the this scenario.

Do you think that the virus cares about who is "eligible" in the opinion of someone in Ireland ?

It just needs a host to spread and while children may not become ill from it, there is nothing to stop them from spreading it to their grandparents or parents or whoever.

Makes sense to vaccinate everyone but unfortunately there are big numbers of Irish people not turning up to be vaccinated or for their second jab.

Should they be taken by the hand or should they grow up and behave like adults ?"
I know of people who have had both jabs and still got covid and passed it on to numerous others because they were asymptomatic and thought they couldn't get it. I know 1 person who is a friend for 30 years who this happened to. Also were you aware Christian Eriksen had a covid jab 4 days before he collapsed on the pitch? Is it any wonder younger people are wary of getting a covid vaccine? And before you think I am anti vaccine in principle I spent alot of my life in Africa and received multiple yellow fever, cholera and typhoid vaccines. I made sure all 4 of my children got all their childhood vaccines on time also. None of these were developed in less than a year with no human testing until the mass testing we are currently experiencing. Maybe instead of growing up and acting like adults people should wake up and stop acting like sheep.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 02/07/2021 16:20:28    2355430

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Replying To arock:  "But no jabs are wasted, in DCU helix there is a waiting area for people hoping for no shows. Just trot up there at 4pm everyday and join the que, none are wasted, that is the important thing. They never waste vaccines. On figures, they are changing daily, no point arguing about them by the time you ginish scoring points the figures have chsnged. Thankfully massive amounts being done daily now, great system for handling no shows. Just register with local vaccination centre and you might get the call earlier than your age cohort."
If you can get onto your GP list you might get vaccinated sooner.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 02/07/2021 16:33:26    2355433

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Sorry that last post should have read that Christian Eriksen SUPPOSEDLY collapsed 4 days after receiving a covid vaccine. His club have since come out and said he didnt get one.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 02/07/2021 16:43:23    2355435

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Replying To Viking66:  "Sorry that last post should have read that Christian Eriksen SUPPOSEDLY collapsed 4 days after receiving a covid vaccine. His club have since come out and said he didnt get one."
You might check your facts in future before spreading possible misinformation, there's enough of that being done already.
Saying stuff like that could put some people off getting their vaccine and maybe cost someone their life.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 02/07/2021 19:58:44    2355450

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Replying To arock:  "But no jabs are wasted, in DCU helix there is a waiting area for people hoping for no shows. Just trot up there at 4pm everyday and join the que, none are wasted, that is the important thing. They never waste vaccines. On figures, they are changing daily, no point arguing about them by the time you ginish scoring points the figures have chsnged. Thankfully massive amounts being done daily now, great system for handling no shows. Just register with local vaccination centre and you might get the call earlier than your age cohort."
There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 02/07/2021 21:41:01    2355473

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday"
A wee bit of faith in our health services North and South would help instead of , in your words laughing at professional people who are working their socks off.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2013 - 02/07/2021 23:41:39    2355495

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "You might check your facts in future before spreading possible misinformation, there's enough of that being done already.
Saying stuff like that could put some people off getting their vaccine and maybe cost someone their life."
Statistic from England about the delta variant published in yesterdays Irish Independent in an article about Dr Henry's worries about the Delta variant and our hospitals being overrun with a worst case prediction of 700,000 cases by the end of September. 42% of those who died from the delta variant over there so far were fully vaccinated and 90% of these were over 50. Check it out for yourself.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/07/2021 08:24:25    2355516

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday"
60 year olds that got the Astra Zeneca Vaccine could still be waiting for their second jab. That's due to the gap between the two vaccinations.
Where are all these vaccines being thrown in the bin ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 03/07/2021 08:59:30    2355517

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Replying To Viking66:  "Sorry that last post should have read that Christian Eriksen SUPPOSEDLY collapsed 4 days after receiving a covid vaccine. His club have since come out and said he didnt get one."
Enough false and misleading scare stories out there. Check your details in future.

commander (Kildare) - Posts: 225 - 03/07/2021 09:20:20    2355522

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday"
Can you link us to the info on wasted vaccines? Or is it anecdotal? Have family and friends involved in vaccination drive and they don't know anything of this large scale wastage...

commander (Kildare) - Posts: 225 - 03/07/2021 09:23:31    2355524

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday"
'wasted' vaccines are overwhelmingly the result of no-shows by people who have scheduled appointments.
When you reach the stage of blaming the authorities for people choosing/failing to show up to their local town for FREE, potentially life-saving vaccine, you have crossed into full sheep-mode.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 03/07/2021 09:53:19    2355533

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "'wasted' vaccines are overwhelmingly the result of no-shows by people who have scheduled appointments.
When you reach the stage of blaming the authorities for people choosing/failing to show up to their local town for FREE, potentially life-saving vaccine, you have crossed into full sheep-mode."
Begs the question if true why did they register to get one in the first place?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/07/2021 10:43:48    2355541

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "There has been plenty of vaccines wasted in many parts of the country. You just wont hear about it of course. I always laugh when I hear the typical politician line "any vaccine that enters the country is in people's arm within a week". In people's arm or in the bin they mean! Meanwhile many 60 year olds are still waiting for their second jab.
You are right though if you are still waiting for a vaccine it is well worth your while ringing your GP to see if they can fit you in as many GPs are looking for people. I think they've opened the pharmacies now for anyone over 18 to register from Monday"
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He's the man to listen to. Put out the worst case scenario and explain possible consequences, that people still need to be cautious about COVID and why it might be necessary to slow down the reopening process. Instead of having Varadkar and Donnelly not really explaining anything very well. In fairness at this stage they're probably as confused as anyone and it's impossible to tell how
the new variant will affect Ireland. Tell it like it is or can be in a worst case scenario so that these is ready. Almost certainly it won't be as bad and it'll inevitably be called an over-reaction, in hindsight. But it can help to stop people getting COVID.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 03/07/2021 10:50:12    2355544

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "link

He's the man to listen to. Put out the worst case scenario and explain possible consequences, that people still need to be cautious about COVID and why it might be necessary to slow down the reopening process. Instead of having Varadkar and Donnelly not really explaining anything very well. In fairness at this stage they're probably as confused as anyone and it's impossible to tell how
the new variant will affect Ireland. Tell it like it is or can be in a worst case scenario so that these is ready. Almost certainly it won't be as bad and it'll inevitably be called an over-reaction, in hindsight. But it can help to stop people getting COVID."
That is the long and short of it. People are putting too much faith in the vaccines and arent taking proper precautions. This isnt helped by our government and all the ambiguity in what they are saying. How can it be ok for a cinema to be open where a few hundred people will spend 2 to 3 hours in a closed room followed immediately afterwards by another few hundred and then another, but only 500 are allowed in Wexford Park in the outdoors for a couple hours? This nonsense of the problem being the crowd coming or going is just nonsense. You would hardly be walking within 2 metres of the same person for a whole 15 minutes unless you came with them. And you would be walking in the open air not filling a room breathing in and out the same air.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/07/2021 12:01:26    2355562

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Replying To Viking66:  "Begs the question if true why did they register to get one in the first place?"
They can't be considered a no-show if they haven't registered though, right? Numbers are planned, vials are prepped, slots and staff allocated, people then just don't bother showing up. That simple.
Ask folks in the restaurant trade about the percentage of bookings that are not honoured, its 10% plus.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 03/07/2021 12:26:28    2355568

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Replying To Viking66:  "Statistic from England about the delta variant published in yesterdays Irish Independent in an article about Dr Henry's worries about the Delta variant and our hospitals being overrun with a worst case prediction of 700,000 cases by the end of September. 42% of those who died from the delta variant over there so far were fully vaccinated and 90% of these were over 50. Check it out for yourself."
For context what the article said was as follows

In the UK, 7.9pc of people who caught the variant were fully vaccinated and 90pc occurred in the under-50s.

Of the total patients with the virus who attended emergency departments and who needed to be admitted, one in 10 were fully vaccinated and three quarters of these were over 50.

Of the cases who died, 42pc were fully vaccinated and nine in 10 were over 50.

But overall in the UK, the "vaccine wall is holding firm", Dr Henry said.

Last week there was a "very low number" of outbreaks in nursing homes here.

"This reflects that the vaccine does not give 100pc protection but does give solid protection against serious illness."

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 03/07/2021 14:14:01    2355592

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "They can't be considered a no-show if they haven't registered though, right? Numbers are planned, vials are prepped, slots and staff allocated, people then just don't bother showing up. That simple.
Ask folks in the restaurant trade about the percentage of bookings that are not honoured, its 10% plus."
That's what I mean. Why register if you are not going to show up? On another point you are twice as likely to suffer blood clotting after a vaccine if you are under 39 than die of covid. Thats in the Examiner lads not from some loon on Facebook.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/07/2021 15:43:24    2355611

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Replying To lilylanger:  "For context what the article said was as follows

In the UK, 7.9pc of people who caught the variant were fully vaccinated and 90pc occurred in the under-50s.

Of the total patients with the virus who attended emergency departments and who needed to be admitted, one in 10 were fully vaccinated and three quarters of these were over 50.

Of the cases who died, 42pc were fully vaccinated and nine in 10 were over 50.

But overall in the UK, the "vaccine wall is holding firm", Dr Henry said.

Last week there was a "very low number" of outbreaks in nursing homes here.

"This reflects that the vaccine does not give 100pc protection but does give solid protection against serious illness.""
42 % of those who died were fully vaccinated. How does that equate to solid protection?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 03/07/2021 15:45:02    2355615

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Replying To lilylanger:  "For context what the article said was as follows

In the UK, 7.9pc of people who caught the variant were fully vaccinated and 90pc occurred in the under-50s.

Of the total patients with the virus who attended emergency departments and who needed to be admitted, one in 10 were fully vaccinated and three quarters of these were over 50.

Of the cases who died, 42pc were fully vaccinated and nine in 10 were over 50.

But overall in the UK, the "vaccine wall is holding firm", Dr Henry said.

Last week there was a "very low number" of outbreaks in nursing homes here.

"This reflects that the vaccine does not give 100pc protection but does give solid protection against serious illness.""
A more accurate summation of the situation lilylanger.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 03/07/2021 16:16:06    2355639

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "A more accurate summation of the situation lilylanger."
Indeed.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 03/07/2021 16:25:10    2355640

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