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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There is not 45 % fully vaccinated , this is the sort of bull that's peddled around here .

Lies ."]Paul Reid just announced on the RTE news that 45% are fully vaccinated. Obviously understanding data and statistics is not your strong point."]Paul Reid must think we have a population of 3 million then. Their own figure for people who have had 2 vaccines and the Johnson 1 shot is only just over 1.6million. What a clown. Or a liar.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 02/07/2021 06:28:25    2355307

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Replying To cityman73:  "Over 40% of adults in Ireland all fully vaccinated."
So there are over 2 million under 18s in Ireland? Find that hard to believe.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 02/07/2021 06:30:10    2355308

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Replying To wexico15:  "45% of the adult population are fully vaccinated."
Hang on a minute Wexico15, yesterday you told everyone 45% of the population were vaccinated and now you are saying it's 45% of the ADULT population ?

I'm glad to see the you have realized you were wrong but accept you made a genuine mistake.

Apart from myself, there were only two other people who posted factual information re. vaccinations Greengrass or CiarraiMick.

Even thought Wexico15 did make a genuine mistake and I would hope he is able to acknowledge that, it's clear he wasn't the only one fooled by it.

You see I know the figure of 20% which I posted is absolutely correct and I can prove it, and I also know why the figure of 45% is being banded about in the media.

It's time most of you started reading beyond the headlines and started waking up to what's going on around you, instead of vilifying someone who is explaining what's really happening to you.

Seeing that you all seem to believe everything you read on a headline, the following quote is from the RTE website recently:

Currently, 4 in 10 people in the Republic of Ireland have received one dose of a vaccine, while 2 in 10 are fully vaccinated.


Now as far as I know 2 out of 10 is still 20%, unless in Ireland it can mean whatever you want it to be.

Case rested (for now)

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 08:40:28    2355316

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Replying To ponger:  "Turned up for the jab today and i was amazed about the amount of people that didn't turn up. Quite obvious from looking at the list in the lassies hand. Gonna be hard to to get those percentages up if people don't do the basics and turn up.. Maybe we should hold a GAA match next to the centers ?"
Eh those lists are organised in alphabetical order not chronological order. You wouldn't be in a position to judge who had turned up just by looking at them when, from where you are looking, they are upside down in somebody else's hand.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 02/07/2021 10:20:00    2355335

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Hang on a minute Wexico15, yesterday you told everyone 45% of the population were vaccinated and now you are saying it's 45% of the ADULT population ?

I'm glad to see the you have realized you were wrong but accept you made a genuine mistake.

Apart from myself, there were only two other people who posted factual information re. vaccinations Greengrass or CiarraiMick.

Even thought Wexico15 did make a genuine mistake and I would hope he is able to acknowledge that, it's clear he wasn't the only one fooled by it.

You see I know the figure of 20% which I posted is absolutely correct and I can prove it, and I also know why the figure of 45% is being banded about in the media.

It's time most of you started reading beyond the headlines and started waking up to what's going on around you, instead of vilifying someone who is explaining what's really happening to you.

Seeing that you all seem to believe everything you read on a headline, the following quote is from the RTE website recently:

Currently, 4 in 10 people in the Republic of Ireland have received one dose of a vaccine, while 2 in 10 are fully vaccinated.


Now as far as I know 2 out of 10 is still 20%, unless in Ireland it can mean whatever you want it to be.

Case rested (for now)"
You sound like the little boy who ran home with the ball when he was losing the match.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 274 - 02/07/2021 10:43:10    2355339

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It's only when people realize why these misleading figures are being banded about will they then be in a position to see the full picture and realize why the country has suddenly gone into panic mode again.

If you all want to believe the headlines without delving deeper like I do, that's your own choice, but don't then come on here whinging when you can't go to a game or go for a pint, because it's yourselves who are as much to blame for it and you're getting what you deserve.

I presented you with factual and provable information but most either cant or don't want to understand it, are either in denial or are happy to accept sub standard as the norm.

So go ahead, drive the country into the ground for all I care, I think they call it karma.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 10:47:44    2355340

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Up-to-date vaccine stats. Kinda!

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 02/07/2021 10:58:34    2355342

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The chickens have come home to roost with this one. We are getting a crazy zero covid policy through the backdoor by these notfit crowd and their supporters. You can see that zero covid policy doesn't work...three cases in Western Australia has thrown the Aussie rules fixtures into a state of chaos. It's madness and i wish they'd stop this please.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 02/07/2021 11:07:51    2355346

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Replying To Viking66:  "So there are over 2 million under 18s in Ireland? Find that hard to believe."
And you're spot on Viking66. When you ask these fellas who are banding misleading figures around to prove what they are saying is correct, they are unable to do it, all they can do is quote a misleading headline from a newspaper.

Go into a courtroom with such "evidence" and you would be destroyed in seconds.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 11:15:02    2355349

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Replying To Viking66:  "So there are over 2 million under 18s in Ireland? Find that hard to believe."
I apologize that should of been over 40% of the eligible population are fully vaccinated.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 02/07/2021 12:37:36    2355376

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "And you're spot on Viking66. When you ask these fellas who are banding misleading figures around to prove what they are saying is correct, they are unable to do it, all they can do is quote a misleading headline from a newspaper.

Go into a courtroom with such "evidence" and you would be destroyed in seconds."
He was responding to me and I apologize,i should of said 40% of the eligible population,I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 02/07/2021 12:40:42    2355378

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Replying To cityman73:  "He was responding to me and I apologize,i should of said 40% of the eligible population,I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong."
Fair play to you, one of the only real men on here who's not afraid to say he made a mistake,

Admirable.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 12:48:03    2355386

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Fair play to you, one of the only real men on here who's not afraid to say he made a mistake,

Admirable."
Why are you finding this so difficult to understand, 45% of the eligible population are fully vaccinated. No vaccine has yet been approved for under 18s.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 274 - 02/07/2021 13:02:49    2355391

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Fair play to you, one of the only real men on here who's not afraid to say he made a mistake,

Admirable."
Your credibility is long gone, not because of your opinions but because of your childish attention seeking.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/07/2021 13:29:00    2355396

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Why are you finding this so difficult to understand, 45% of the eligible population are fully vaccinated. No vaccine has yet been approved for under 18s."
Well you're wrong there straight away, vaccines have been approved for children by the European Medicines Agency and as a matter of fact the HSE are currently planning for the this scenario.

Do you think that the virus cares about who is "eligible" in the opinion of someone in Ireland ?

It just needs a host to spread and while children may not become ill from it, there is nothing to stop them from spreading it to their grandparents or parents or whoever.

Makes sense to vaccinate everyone but unfortunately there are big numbers of Irish people not turning up to be vaccinated or for their second jab.

Should they be taken by the hand or should they grow up and behave like adults ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 13:36:36    2355397

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NEPHET should surely listen to expert opinions of some anyonmous poster acvount(s) on Hoganstand claiming to have the facts. That will surely get the country opened quicker. What does it matter what percentage of the country is fully vaccinated? What matters is the those most vulnerable to getting very ill from COVID are vaccinated first and eventually the adult population are vaccinated. This thread is a good indicator of where the Hoganstand forums have fallen to. Some posters thinking it's funny provoking others for kicks. Not what I would call in the spirit of the GAA.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 02/07/2021 14:20:40    2355411

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well you're wrong there straight away, vaccines have been approved for children by the European Medicines Agency and as a matter of fact the HSE are currently planning for the this scenario.

Do you think that the virus cares about who is "eligible" in the opinion of someone in Ireland ?

It just needs a host to spread and while children may not become ill from it, there is nothing to stop them from spreading it to their grandparents or parents or whoever.

Makes sense to vaccinate everyone but unfortunately there are big numbers of Irish people not turning up to be vaccinated or for their second jab.

Should they be taken by the hand or should they grow up and behave like adults ?"
But no jabs are wasted, in DCU helix there is a waiting area for people hoping for no shows. Just trot up there at 4pm everyday and join the que, none are wasted, that is the important thing. They never waste vaccines. On figures, they are changing daily, no point arguing about them by the time you ginish scoring points the figures have chsnged. Thankfully massive amounts being done daily now, great system for handling no shows. Just register with local vaccination centre and you might get the call earlier than your age cohort.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 02/07/2021 14:46:24    2355416

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Replying To arock:  "But no jabs are wasted, in DCU helix there is a waiting area for people hoping for no shows. Just trot up there at 4pm everyday and join the que, none are wasted, that is the important thing. They never waste vaccines. On figures, they are changing daily, no point arguing about them by the time you ginish scoring points the figures have chsnged. Thankfully massive amounts being done daily now, great system for handling no shows. Just register with local vaccination centre and you might get the call earlier than your age cohort."
Yes that's good but what's wrong with so many people when they are ignoring the availability of the vaccine.

I think a pub or a restaurant would be perfectly within it's right not to allow admission to anyone who has refused to be vaccinated, when or if they eventually get back to some form of normality.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/07/2021 15:08:20    2355420

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Eh those lists are organised in alphabetical order not chronological order. You wouldn't be in a position to judge who had turned up just by looking at them when, from where you are looking, they are upside down in somebody else's hand."
What odds would it make whether they were alphabetically order or not, and it was ordered by time. The list had about 25% of names with no line through it, when I checked in they crossed me off. I was at the end of the queue for the day... all the nurses left after the last few of us were done..so what's your point, were you there??

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 02/07/2021 15:29:13    2355423

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well you're wrong there straight away, vaccines have been approved for children by the European Medicines Agency and as a matter of fact the HSE are currently planning for the this scenario.

Do you think that the virus cares about who is "eligible" in the opinion of someone in Ireland ?

It just needs a host to spread and while children may not become ill from it, there is nothing to stop them from spreading it to their grandparents or parents or whoever.

Makes sense to vaccinate everyone but unfortunately there are big numbers of Irish people not turning up to be vaccinated or for their second jab.

Should they be taken by the hand or should they grow up and behave like adults ?"
I know of people who have had both jabs and still got covid and passed it on to numerous others because they were asymptomatic and thought they couldn't get it. I know 1 person who is a friend for 30 years who this happened to. Also were you aware Christian Eriksen had a covid jab 4 days before he collapsed on the pitch? Is it any wonder younger people are wary of getting a covid vaccine? And before you think I am anti vaccine in principle I spent alot of my life in Africa and received multiple yellow fever, cholera and typhoid vaccines. I made sure all 4 of my children got all their childhood vaccines on time also. None of these were developed in less than a year with no human testing until the mass testing we are currently experiencing. Maybe instead of growing up and acting like adults people should wake up and stop acting like sheep.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 02/07/2021 16:20:05    2355429

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