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Replying To lilylanger:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There is not 45 % fully vaccinated , this is the sort of bull that's peddled around here .

Lies ."]Paul Reid announced it today, clearly only 1 lier here"]You clearly didn't understand him, 20% have been fully vaccinated, big difference than the 45% you are peddling here.

Will you come back and acknowledge AG is correct, you'll be more a man if you do."]44% are fully vaccinated and 67% have had their first dose. Educate yourself."]There's confusion over this. I've seen figures that said 20% have been fully vaccinated and I've also seen figures that said 44% were vaccinated. RTÉ broadcast on Six One this evening that 2,443,921 people had received their first vaccine. 1,593,517 people have received their second vaccine. 72,036 people have received the single shot Johnson vaccine and are considered fully vaccinated.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/07/2021 18:42:45    2355212

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I just googled it and the figures were for 20 hours ago and stated 20.4% of the Irish people were fully vaccinated. I million people. There is alot of confusion the way the figures are peddled.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 01/07/2021 20:44:40    2355230

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What has Claire Byrne or Montrose got to do with your theory?"
She organised a poll with obvious intent to pressure GAA/govt to cancel championship last year.

She is also constantly pushing extreme restrictions. None of which are now being followed in other countries. Indeed some have never implemented some of the ones here or for so long. and with no difference in cases or deaths.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2523 - 01/07/2021 20:52:32    2355234

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African Gael, the tone of your contributions is typical of those who not only have continually pushed for extreme measures, but whose own predictions have been disproven, and whose recommendations have made no difference at all to the impact of the virus as compared to countries that have pursued a radically different approach.

It is also clear that many of those favouring the seemingly endless restrictions are the type of people who want society to be as much controlled by the state as possible.

We had one left party more or less laughing at small business people, and another who seem to prefer that hundreds of thousands be on welfare - and therefore state dependents - when the same people for the most part want to work, and these people don't want them to!

As for the GAA, i have no doubt either that certain elements see all of this as a chance to get at parts of Irish culture which they ae not part of and which they despise.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2523 - 01/07/2021 21:00:24    2355239

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just googled it and the figures were for 20 hours ago and stated 20.4% of the Irish people were fully vaccinated. I million people. There is alot of confusion the way the figures are peddled."
45% of the adult population are fully vaccinated.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 01/07/2021 21:02:56    2355240

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Replying To wexico15:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There are nowhere near 45% fully vaccinated. And also while there were alot of covid related deaths especially in March and April last year the sad truth is that most of these wouldn't have seen June or July had there been no covid. A friend who is a gravedigger in Dublin the last 30 plus years said to me at the height of the 1st wave that it reminded him of the swine flu epidemic. Although he made the point that most of his burials were already in respite homes or terminally ill in hospital before they were even exposed to covid. He predicted that June and July were going to be very quiet for him. He reminded me about the conversation at the beginning if August. June and July had been the quietest he had been workwise ever.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11732 - 01/07/2021 21:05:45    2355244

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just googled it and the figures were for 20 hours ago and stated 20.4% of the Irish people were fully vaccinated. I million people. There is alot of confusion the way the figures are peddled."
Over 40% of adults in Ireland all fully vaccinated.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 01/07/2021 21:12:09    2355246

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There is not 45 % fully vaccinated , this is the sort of bull that's peddled around here .

Lies ."]Paul Reid just announced on the RTE news that 45% are fully vaccinated. Obviously understanding data and statistics is not your strong point.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 274 - 01/07/2021 21:12:26    2355247

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just googled it and the figures were for 20 hours ago and stated 20.4% of the Irish people were fully vaccinated. I million people. There is alot of confusion the way the figures are peddled."
Explainer: How is Ireland's vaccine rollout going ahead of tomorrow's July 1st target deadline?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/explainer-how-is-irelands-vaccine-rollout-going-ahead-of-tomorrows-july-1st-target-deadline-40597918.html


The most up-to-date figure from the HSE for Monday night is that 4.1m vaccines have been given so far. So far 44pc of the population is fully vaccinated and 67pc have had one dose.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 01/07/2021 21:26:21    2355251

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just googled it and the figures were for 20 hours ago and stated 20.4% of the Irish people were fully vaccinated. I million people. There is alot of confusion the way the figures are peddled."
Haven't a clue Mick, you know what they say, there's lies. damned lies and statistics,
could it be that it's 44% of the people that have been vaccinated are fully vaccinated, rather than 44% of the total population?
They always say on the news that there's for example, 300 people in hospital with covid and 50 people in ICU,
it always sounds worse than it is the way they say it,
the 300 number includes the 50 in ICU but they don't say it like that, not until recently anyway.
Bloody covid sick talking about it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 01/07/2021 21:27:53    2355252

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "She organised a poll with obvious intent to pressure GAA/govt to cancel championship last year.

She is also constantly pushing extreme restrictions. None of which are now being followed in other countries. Indeed some have never implemented some of the ones here or for so long. and with no difference in cases or deaths."
Always thought the National broadcaster was supposed to be impartial. She is far from that. It's grand for her on her €300k + salary while thousands of people are on the pandemic payment trying to desperately make ends meet for the last 18 months.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 470 - 01/07/2021 22:20:28    2355262

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Explainer: How is Ireland's vaccine rollout going ahead of tomorrow's July 1st target deadline?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/explainer-how-is-irelands-vaccine-rollout-going-ahead-of-tomorrows-july-1st-target-deadline-40597918.html


The most up-to-date figure from the HSE for Monday night is that 4.1m vaccines have been given so far. So far 44pc of the population is fully vaccinated and 67pc have had one dose."
I don't know Lily but I googled it and just checked again now and it's days 22hours ago the figures vaccinated fully in Ireland were 1m and 20.4%. and those figures are obviously yesterday. As I say the figures seem to be all over the place.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 01/07/2021 22:36:29    2355266

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Explainer: How is Ireland's vaccine rollout going ahead of tomorrow's July 1st target deadline?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/explainer-how-is-irelands-vaccine-rollout-going-ahead-of-tomorrows-july-1st-target-deadline-40597918.html


The most up-to-date figure from the HSE for Monday night is that 4.1m vaccines have been given so far. So far 44pc of the population is fully vaccinated and 67pc have had one dose."
Google "What percentage of the people on Ireland are fully vaccinated" and you ll see the figures I'm getting and it's 22hours old.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 01/07/2021 22:38:28    2355267

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https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/0608/1226962-covid-19-ireland-herd-immunity/


Currently, 4 in 10 people in the Republic of Ireland have received one dose of a vaccine, while 2 in 10 are fully vaccinated.


2 out of 10 must be 45% in Irish schools. :-).

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/07/2021 22:46:45    2355271

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There are nowhere near 45% fully vaccinated. And also while there were alot of covid related deaths especially in March and April last year the sad truth is that most of these wouldn't have seen June or July had there been no covid. A friend who is a gravedigger in Dublin the last 30 plus years said to me at the height of the 1st wave that it reminded him of the swine flu epidemic. Although he made the point that most of his burials were already in respite homes or terminally ill in hospital before they were even exposed to covid. He predicted that June and July were going to be very quiet for him. He reminded me about the conversation at the beginning if August. June and July had been the quietest he had been workwise ever."]How did January and February 2020 compare with January and February 2021?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/07/2021 23:04:47    2355279

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Explainer: How is Ireland's vaccine rollout going ahead of tomorrow's July 1st target deadline?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/explainer-how-is-irelands-vaccine-rollout-going-ahead-of-tomorrows-july-1st-target-deadline-40597918.html


The most up-to-date figure from the HSE for Monday night is that 4.1m vaccines have been given so far. So far 44pc of the population is fully vaccinated and 67pc have had one dose."
Is that 44% of the entire population or 44% of what is considered the adult population?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/07/2021 23:08:43    2355281

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=wexico15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "It's laughable when you see people question the Government regarding data yet the same people haven't a clue how to analyze the most basic data to begin with !

If you were to look at this forum as a vox pop, then god help Ireland.

There's evil on the way, and you're wasting your time looking for an inquiry into how modelling is produced when the reality is most of you would be as well looking into a pot of spuds boiling."
There has been 5,000 covid related deaths over 16 months, 3,100 of those in care home settings.

Now with 67% of the population getting at least 1 vaccine dose, 45% fully vaccinated NPHET are projecting a worst case scenario of 2,170 deaths in a 3 month period, variants or not I think its pretty reasonable to think that's crazy.

Now without resorting to childish insults can you try explain this madness. People aren't demanding 80k in croke park or a packed copper face Jack's any reasonable thinking person understands it baby steps when reopening but the lack of ambition from government and NPHET is quite galling at this stage."
There is not 45 % fully vaccinated , this is the sort of bull that's peddled around here .

Lies ."]Paul Reid just announced on the RTE news that 45% are fully vaccinated. Obviously understanding data and statistics is not your strong point."]Don't tell me you couldn't even understand what the man said, tell me you are kidding please ..............

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/07/2021 23:32:50    2355286

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Turned up for the jab today and i was amazed about the amount of people that didn't turn up. Quite obvious from looking at the list in the lassies hand. Gonna be hard to to get those percentages up if people don't do the basics and turn up.. Maybe we should hold a GAA match next to the centers ?

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 01/07/2021 23:41:05    2355289

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Haven't a clue Mick, you know what they say, there's lies. damned lies and statistics,
could it be that it's 44% of the people that have been vaccinated are fully vaccinated, rather than 44% of the total population?
They always say on the news that there's for example, 300 people in hospital with covid and 50 people in ICU,
it always sounds worse than it is the way they say it,
the 300 number includes the 50 in ICU but they don't say it like that, not until recently anyway.
Bloody covid sick talking about it."
True Tirchonaill

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 01/07/2021 23:59:43    2355294

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Replying To kingdom_come:  "But matches are outside they say? True, but...we got delta now dudes.

They don't want a match on because if there is a match, there are people in pubs before and after, drinking more in their friends houses before and after and other general matchy crowdy stuff in larger than normal numbers.

People, often with a few pints on board, tend to shout and roar during matches - more virus - they also tend to jump around a lot and bump into their neighbours as I did myself when Gooch slotted a goal past the startled earwigs back in the day.

People tend to travel to matches in cars together or pack out buses, and there's more crowding going in and out of the gates. Social distancing isn't great in the rush for a slash at half time.

Overall, I'm happy to walk down the street and pass Johnny Covid. I'm not so happy at a bus stop with him, and I'm even less happy when I'm on a terrace for 2 hours with him. For anyone old enough to remember what it was like to smoke on the terraces, if someone was chain smoking during a match, everyone in a 20 seat radius got a puff."
You're talking sense, but sense doesn't cut it when folks are on up on their first-world-problem "freedom" soapbox!

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 02/07/2021 02:34:38    2355302

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