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Replying To lilylanger: "Snooze." That's the problem alright, too many people in a constant "snooze" in Ireland where their only days work is trying to figure out who they can sue. I love to see all the hillbilly deniers coming out of the woodwork to help prove my point.
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Replying To AfricanGael: "The ignorance of some posters on here in relation to the existence of covid, never mind the dangers it can pose is palpable.
A few posters on here telling us that they don't know anyone who became really ill or died from covid, and instead of being glad of that fact they use it as a tool to deny the virus is nasty and dangerous and has killed millions worldwide.
For them the world ends at the last saloon of their rural hick town.
Posting absolutely useless statistics in relation to excess mortality figures, with zero context.
What's the first thing they do when the Government announce a limited form of reopening ? They tell you it's potentially illegal and they'll sue, typical Irish compo culture.
Not happy being an armchair doctor, they want to be the armchair lawyer now as well.
It's what you call an Irish "know all".
I watched something last night where they have a similar system in Denmark where they allow fully vaccinated or people with a recent negative test into bars and restaurants etc.
Works fine and not a hint of a court case, but the Danes are mature, grown up and sensible and not the hick town hillbillies of Europe.
I used to wonder when Europeans used to joke that Ireland was where all the Hillbillies of Europe lived, maybe they were right after all.
Anyone who doesn't know anyone who either became very ill and ended up in hospital or died from Covid at this stage must have an awful small circle of friends and judging by their posts and display of sheer ignorance I can't say I'm surprised at that.
A shambles of a country." .....and that was a party political broadcast brought to you by the BNP. Next we have The Archers.
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Replying To AfricanGael: "The ignorance of some posters on here in relation to the existence of covid, never mind the dangers it can pose is palpable.
A few posters on here telling us that they don't know anyone who became really ill or died from covid, and instead of being glad of that fact they use it as a tool to deny the virus is nasty and dangerous and has killed millions worldwide.
For them the world ends at the last saloon of their rural hick town.
Posting absolutely useless statistics in relation to excess mortality figures, with zero context.
What's the first thing they do when the Government announce a limited form of reopening ? They tell you it's potentially illegal and they'll sue, typical Irish compo culture.
Not happy being an armchair doctor, they want to be the armchair lawyer now as well.
It's what you call an Irish "know all".
I watched something last night where they have a similar system in Denmark where they allow fully vaccinated or people with a recent negative test into bars and restaurants etc.
Works fine and not a hint of a court case, but the Danes are mature, grown up and sensible and not the hick town hillbillies of Europe.
I used to wonder when Europeans used to joke that Ireland was where all the Hillbillies of Europe lived, maybe they were right after all.
Anyone who doesn't know anyone who either became very ill and ended up in hospital or died from Covid at this stage must have an awful small circle of friends and judging by their posts and display of sheer ignorance I can't say I'm surprised at that.
A shambles of a country." I personally know well over a thousand people. I know around 100 who know they have had covid. I know 2 people who ended up in hospital, both in their 60s and both in the UK. I know 1 person who sadly died but he was nearly 90 and wasnt well the last few years. The countries with the most deaths were generally ones who had either good health services which prolonged peoples lives way beyond the planets life expectancy average, or poor countries who suffered from much higher death rates due to poor diets, poor health services etc. It is a bad disease. But does it warrant the hysteria it has generated?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11844 - 30/06/2021 14:23:46
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Replying To Dubsfan28: "I don't think using the internet makes you happy.
Maybe take a little rest from it, good sir?" Great post lad!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11844 - 30/06/2021 14:24:49
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Replying To AfricanGael: "That's the problem alright, too many people in a constant "snooze" in Ireland where their only days work is trying to figure out who they can sue. I love to see all the hillbilly deniers coming out of the woodwork to help prove my point.
Thanks." You, sir, are a bore....apologies for the typo, that should read Boer, of course.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 30/06/2021 14:31:31
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Is there anything the Irish in Ireland can get right, I'm being serious now. Must be the greatest people in the world who can emigrate to other countries, do well and are sought after, yet those who stayed at home have made an absolute balls of the country.
So don't be surprised by what's happening now, no doubt I'll be vilified once again by the usual mob of deniers who are happy enough to accept the pathetic standards in so many walks of life in Ireland.
Let's call it what it is, a shambles of a country." Totally agree. We've had a few spats here but I concur completely with what you've said here.
Where do we start?
- Celtic Tiger & the complete lack of regulation and restraint which lead to the banking crisis, recession & austerity.
- Children's Hospital: how much has the overspend run to at this stage?
- "National" broadband plan - LOL
- Housing Crisis as big a problem as ever, if not worse.
- MICA - related to point one above, thousands of homes need to be demolished in Donegal, Clare and Mayo due to defective blocks. Literally a humanitarian crisis is incoming.
Lastly but certainly not least, the HSE - If you really want to know why we still can't go to matches, or have a meal and a pint indoors it's because our HSE was in a heap pre Covid, and it's even more of mess during Covid. We cannot cope with a load of Delta cases like other countries health care systems can. That is the big concern.
If I was in my early 20s again I'd have no hesitation in emigrating.
Take the current situation, NOW they're contingency planning for how they can reopen pubs and restaurants? An absolute joke. More reaction yet again instead of being practive and planning for this scenario weeks, if not months ago.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9134 - 30/06/2021 14:32:58
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "is that you Catch22, have you another new account?
this African twat is a troll who won't even say were she is from so just ignore the troll." No it's not one of my 5 accounts.
I suppose the only thing in your favour is that you're a **** who does say where he's from.
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So I can't go to my local hotel and have a meal indoors but I can stay in thesame hotel and eat indoors. Enough said
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Replying To Lockjaw: " Replying To AfricanGael: "Is there anything the Irish in Ireland can get right, I'm being serious now. Must be the greatest people in the world who can emigrate to other countries, do well and are sought after, yet those who stayed at home have made an absolute balls of the country.
So don't be surprised by what's happening now, no doubt I'll be vilified once again by the usual mob of deniers who are happy enough to accept the pathetic standards in so many walks of life in Ireland.
Let's call it what it is, a shambles of a country." Totally agree. We've had a few spats here but I concur completely with what you've said here. Where do we start? - Celtic Tiger & the complete lack of regulation and restraint which lead to the banking crisis, recession & austerity. - Children's Hospital: how much has the overspend run to at this stage? - "National" broadband plan - LOL - Housing Crisis as big a problem as ever, if not worse. - MICA - related to point one above, thousands of homes need to be demolished in Donegal, Clare and Mayo due to defective blocks. Literally a humanitarian crisis is incoming. Lastly but certainly not least, the HSE - If you really want to know why we still can't go to matches, or have a meal and a pint indoors it's because our HSE was in a heap pre Covid, and it's even more of mess during Covid. We cannot cope with a load of Delta cases like other countries health care systems can. That is the big concern. If I was in my early 20s again I'd have no hesitation in emigrating. Take the current situation, NOW they're contingency planning for how they can reopen pubs and restaurants? An absolute joke. More reaction yet again instead of being practive and planning for this scenario weeks, if not months ago."
Theres a lot more right with the country than is wrong with it.. otherwise we wouldn't have net inward migration, people from all parts of Europe and the world moving here for work and many of them making this country their home and the future for their children.
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "20000 cases in gb today, thats doing fine? ok" Yes it is to be honest. You cannot hide from a virus unless you live like a hermit for the rest of your life. It's here to stay. The reason it is fine, is that the most vulnerable are vaccined now. Don't compare Ireland, a population of c. 5m to UK with a population of c. 68m.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 30/06/2021 16:17:43
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "So I can't go to my local hotel and have a meal indoors but I can stay in thesame hotel and eat indoors. Enough said" And the people serving you are not allowed to stay for a drink after work lol
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 30/06/2021 16:24:24
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Ireland is way out of kilter with what's going on within the EU, and it's not like our covid-related death stats are disproportionate. For instance, I checked out the stats recently, and our death figures were comparable to Austria, which has twice Ireland's population but had roughly the same number of deaths per capita. Austria is holding a Formula One Grand Prix this weekend which is expected to host 140,000 people (all of whom must have had at least one dose of a vaccine).
The way it has been handled here has been hugely over cautious IMO.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 30/06/2021 16:32:47
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "So I can't go to my local hotel and have a meal indoors but I can stay in thesame hotel and eat indoors. Enough said" Makes sense to me. Its about reducing traffic through high risk areas. A 40 bed hotel could do 300 to 400 people through its restaurant on a summer Saturday. Limiting it to residents reduces the risk of spread.
Honestly, this pandemic has highlighted a worrying degree of innumeracy in our great little country .
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 30/06/2021 16:34:36
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: " Replying To Lockjaw: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Is there anything the Irish in Ireland can get right, I'm being serious now. Must be the greatest people in the world who can emigrate to other countries, do well and are sought after, yet those who stayed at home have made an absolute balls of the country.
So don't be surprised by what's happening now, no doubt I'll be vilified once again by the usual mob of deniers who are happy enough to accept the pathetic standards in so many walks of life in Ireland.
Let's call it what it is, a shambles of a country." Totally agree. We've had a few spats here but I concur completely with what you've said here. Where do we start? - Celtic Tiger & the complete lack of regulation and restraint which lead to the banking crisis, recession & austerity. - Children's Hospital: how much has the overspend run to at this stage? - "National" broadband plan - LOL - Housing Crisis as big a problem as ever, if not worse. - MICA - related to point one above, thousands of homes need to be demolished in Donegal, Clare and Mayo due to defective blocks. Literally a humanitarian crisis is incoming. Lastly but certainly not least, the HSE - If you really want to know why we still can't go to matches, or have a meal and a pint indoors it's because our HSE was in a heap pre Covid, and it's even more of mess during Covid. We cannot cope with a load of Delta cases like other countries health care systems can. That is the big concern. If I was in my early 20s again I'd have no hesitation in emigrating. Take the current situation, NOW they're contingency planning for how they can reopen pubs and restaurants? An absolute joke. More reaction yet again instead of being practive and planning for this scenario weeks, if not months ago."
Theres a lot more right with the country than is wrong with it.. otherwise we wouldn't have net inward migration, people from all parts of Europe and the world moving here for work and many of them making this country their home and the future for their children."]For start fix the endemic cronyism in Irish politics.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9134 - 30/06/2021 16:36:22
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Replying To Lockjaw: " Replying To AfricanGael: "Is there anything the Irish in Ireland can get right, I'm being serious now. Must be the greatest people in the world who can emigrate to other countries, do well and are sought after, yet those who stayed at home have made an absolute balls of the country.
So don't be surprised by what's happening now, no doubt I'll be vilified once again by the usual mob of deniers who are happy enough to accept the pathetic standards in so many walks of life in Ireland.
Let's call it what it is, a shambles of a country." Totally agree. We've had a few spats here but I concur completely with what you've said here. Where do we start? - Celtic Tiger & the complete lack of regulation and restraint which lead to the banking crisis, recession & austerity. - Children's Hospital: how much has the overspend run to at this stage? - "National" broadband plan - LOL - Housing Crisis as big a problem as ever, if not worse. - MICA - related to point one above, thousands of homes need to be demolished in Donegal, Clare and Mayo due to defective blocks. Literally a humanitarian crisis is incoming. Lastly but certainly not least, the HSE - If you really want to know why we still can't go to matches, or have a meal and a pint indoors it's because our HSE was in a heap pre Covid, and it's even more of mess during Covid. We cannot cope with a load of Delta cases like other countries health care systems can. That is the big concern. If I was in my early 20s again I'd have no hesitation in emigrating. Take the current situation, NOW they're contingency planning for how they can reopen pubs and restaurants? An absolute joke. More reaction yet again instead of being practive and planning for this scenario weeks, if not months ago."
If someone can contradict my facts that's fine but unfortunately as you see yourself the majority of responses are nothing more than grunts.
To be honest I feel sorry for the posters who abuse me, first of all they are showing extreme weakness, they are trying to break steel with a rubber hammer.
And I can see that the truth is hurting them, perhaps they are up to their eyes in debt, maybe their friends are away living their life's in Australia and they're stuck in somewhere like Ballymun or whatever.
Maybe I need to put together a thread called "What's Wrong With Ireland", should make interesting reading to those who don't live in denial.
I think it was you who told me about the MICA and from what I have researched into so far I would have to agree that anyone affected by this needs to be compensated 100% but they need to be compensated NOW not in the years to come.
The known MICA issue may only be the tip of the iceberg.
They will never be compensated for the hardship endured though.
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "Makes sense to me. Its about reducing traffic through high risk areas. A 40 bed hotel could do 300 to 400 people through its restaurant on a summer Saturday. Limiting it to residents reduces the risk of spread.
Honestly, this pandemic has highlighted a worrying degree of innumeracy in our great little country ." I'm not suggesting it's a free for all. Indoor dining done safely with tables the necessary distance apart. What it says to me is if you're a paying resident you don't have covid and if you're a drop in you do. No need for any numeracy there
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 30/06/2021 17:05:26
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Replying To AfricanGael: "The ignorance of some posters on here in relation to the existence of covid, never mind the dangers it can pose is palpable.
A few posters on here telling us that they don't know anyone who became really ill or died from covid, and instead of being glad of that fact they use it as a tool to deny the virus is nasty and dangerous and has killed millions worldwide.
For them the world ends at the last saloon of their rural hick town.
Posting absolutely useless statistics in relation to excess mortality figures, with zero context.
What's the first thing they do when the Government announce a limited form of reopening ? They tell you it's potentially illegal and they'll sue, typical Irish compo culture.
Not happy being an armchair doctor, they want to be the armchair lawyer now as well.
It's what you call an Irish "know all".
I watched something last night where they have a similar system in Denmark where they allow fully vaccinated or people with a recent negative test into bars and restaurants etc.
Works fine and not a hint of a court case, but the Danes are mature, grown up and sensible and not the hick town hillbillies of Europe.
I used to wonder when Europeans used to joke that Ireland was where all the Hillbillies of Europe lived, maybe they were right after all.
Anyone who doesn't know anyone who either became very ill and ended up in hospital or died from Covid at this stage must have an awful small circle of friends and judging by their posts and display of sheer ignorance I can't say I'm surprised at that.
A shambles of a country." It's not often I agree with you African Gael but there is a lot of truth in your post. The point you make about the Danes and how they are managing indoor drinking and dining is interesting. It begs the question are other European countries managing indoor drinking and dining in similar fashion.
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I am a serious doubter of all things nphet have told us..we seem to be only country in Europe who seem to be doing everything different..I'm vaccinated as is my wife and daughter..my son will not be able to dine inside with us as he isn't vaccinated..explain??where is the vaccine bonus for us as a family that some gov ministers spoke of..watching euros with huge crowds while our crowd say 500 to one munster semi while the other is 2400..I only hope we will be left attend club games into the future..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 30/06/2021 17:44:59
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Replying To CTGAA10: "I am a serious doubter of all things nphet have told us..we seem to be only country in Europe who seem to be doing everything different..I'm vaccinated as is my wife and daughter..my son will not be able to dine inside with us as he isn't vaccinated..explain??where is the vaccine bonus for us as a family that some gov ministers spoke of..watching euros with huge crowds while our crowd say 500 to one munster semi while the other is 2400..I only hope we will be left attend club games into the future.." Unfortunately admin didnt allow my previous post on this. I will try a condensed version. The problem for us relative to other countries in Europe is that we had half the average number of ICU beds per 1000 population at the start of the pandemic. Not half the best countries. Half the average. And that situation hasnt improved since.
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