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Replying To lor12: "championship leaque style Group a Fermanagh London tipperary Newyork Group b Tyrone Wicklow Roscommon Kildare Dublin Group C Leitrim Donegal Down Antrim Group d Kilkenny Clare Cork Galway Group F Longford Wexford Monaghan Louth Group f Mayo armagh derry carlow Kerry Group G Meath westmeath waterford Limerick Group H Longford offaly laois sligo 2 teams come out of each group teams that finish 3 or 4 are in 2nd tiered competion" Kilkenny don't play in the football championship. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 30/06/2021 10:24:25 2354826 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: " Replying To AfricanGael: "Dublin vs London Down vs Armagh Galway vs Longford Sligo vs Tyrone Derry vs Carlow Kildare vs Donegal Offaly vs Kerry New York vs Roscommon Cork vs Monaghan Antrim vs Kilkenny Cavan vs Waterford Leitrim vs Meath Wicklow vs Tipperary Wexford vs Fermanagh Louth vs Limerick Mayo vs Westmeath Laois vs Clare" some very novel games there. so badly overdue, it will happen but we will be waiting longer" Some one sided games too. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 30/06/2021 10:25:16 2354829 Link
If London drew Derry it would be good craic, London/Derry in Ruislip or Celtic Park. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 30/06/2021 10:59:11 2354844 Link
Replying To lor12: "i am going to do my own open draw to see who comes out i will put it up here after i will throw 31 counties into hat and pick teams out ." What's happened to the last 16 draw ? Seeing that there's 17 teams left I suggest you pick two now out of the 17 with the "winner" going into the last 16 hat and then proceed with the last 16 draw. Dublin Armagh Galway Tyrone Derry Donegal Kerry Roscommon Monaghan Antrim Cavan Meath Tipperary Fermanagh Limerick Mayo Clare AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/06/2021 13:22:56 2354886 Link
Can anyone confirm that even the "virtual" All-Ireland has been cancelled by the Government ? AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/06/2021 16:40:38 2354952 Link
Replying To lor12: "championship leaque style Group a Fermanagh London tipperary Newyork Group b Tyrone Wicklow Roscommon Kildare Dublin Group C Leitrim Donegal Down Antrim Group d Kilkenny Clare Cork Galway Group F Longford Wexford Monaghan Louth Group f Mayo armagh derry carlow Kerry Group G Meath westmeath waterford Limerick Group H Longford offaly laois sligo 2 teams come out of each group teams that finish 3 or 4 are in 2nd tiered competion" Can some explain the obsession with the Champions League format as our Primary Competition format. It guarantees teams three games, only one more than they have now and that will probably be a dead duck anyway! Regarding the concept of teams qualifying for a 2nd tiered competition (losers competition) - Do we really think players who prepare like professionals are going to by into it..? Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/06/2021 17:10:41 2354960 Link
What about 2 groups as in a "Strong Group" and a "Weaker Group"? The teams in each group play their fellow teams so as to avoid too many blowouts. The top 2 teams in the weaker group have a playoff game to get in to the strong group. The bottom 2 teams have a playoff where the loser goes down. It would be sort of like combining the League and the Championship where each match is meaningful. Top 4 or 6 or 8 teams in the strong group have a playoff at the end to decide the All Ireland. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2123 - 30/06/2021 17:23:49 2354964 Link
Replying To Ban: "Can some explain the obsession with the Champions League format as our Primary Competition format. It guarantees teams three games, only one more than they have now and that will probably be a dead duck anyway! Regarding the concept of teams qualifying for a 2nd tiered competition (losers competition) - Do we really think players who prepare like professionals are going to by into it..?" Players already buy in to it at club level. But only in football does every county think they have a divine right to play in the senior championship. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 30/06/2021 17:25:50 2354965 Link
Replying To Ban: "Can some explain the obsession with the Champions League format as our Primary Competition format. It guarantees teams three games, only one more than they have now and that will probably be a dead duck anyway! Regarding the concept of teams qualifying for a 2nd tiered competition (losers competition) - Do we really think players who prepare like professionals are going to by into it..?" People only like it because it's tidy looking. It'd be a worse format for providing games that people are going to actually care about. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 30/06/2021 17:40:52 2354971 Link
Give me 3 leagues, promotion and relegation in place. Top 4 in Division one go into the All-Ireland semi-finals. If Counties are not happy with that cause they cant compete for Sam, they how about getting promoted through the divisions and maybe when you arrive in the top flight, you maybe in a place to make a decent go at it! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/06/2021 18:12:35 2354978 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "People only like it because it's tidy looking. It'd be a worse format for providing games that people are going to actually care about." It wouldn't though. Of course people will care about their team making a quarter final or not. The same format is used by clubs and people don't mind it there. A group of 8 with a load of dead rubbers will just bore people. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 30/06/2021 18:45:35 2354987 Link
Ciaran Whelan mentioned something on the Sunday Game last week about the GAA looking at a league format in the provinces, feeding into the AI series. Could be interesting? In Leinster have 2 groups of 5 & 6 teams, all play each other. Top 2 from each group go into provincial semi finals. All other teams go into Tailtean Cup. In Ulster a group of 5 & 4 teams, top 2 in each into provincial semis and the rest into Tailtean Cup. In Munster and Connacht, same format with a group of 5/6/7 in Connacht depending on London/New York and 6 in Munster. To facilitate all the extra games, maybe the National league could be condensed into the smaller groups like this this year to provide the time to play all the games? TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 02/07/2021 21:47:31 2355474 Link
Replying To lor12: "i will include kilkenny london and newyork" You didn't need to include New York or London, it's the All Ireland. If you leave out Kilkenny someone simply gets a bye. Can't wait to see this happen. No replays as replays suit the bigger teams. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 02/07/2021 23:34:14 2355493 Link
What about a "wild card" team? Let's say division 3 and 4 teams that get knocked out - you make an "all county's " team from the best players in they're respective positions. Logistics would have to be worked out as to when the team would enter the championship. They may not be playing for their county but they would be representing their county. It would give us all a chance to see some of these terrific players that we never get to see because they play for weaker counties. And give them a shot at an all star that as it stands now it's always the same county's. jimmym (USA) - Posts: 5 - 03/07/2021 01:02:58 2355506 Link
I meant to say the "wild card" team would be formed after counties have been eliminated from the championship. jimmym (USA) - Posts: 5 - 03/07/2021 01:05:54 2355507 Link
I guess it would be an all star team made up of division 3 and 4 teams. I bet you could put a good team together. jimmym (USA) - Posts: 5 - 03/07/2021 01:15:45 2355509 Link
Replying To Ban: "Give me 3 leagues, promotion and relegation in place. Top 4 in Division one go into the All-Ireland semi-finals. If Counties are not happy with that cause they cant compete for Sam, they how about getting promoted through the divisions and maybe when you arrive in the top flight, you maybe in a place to make a decent go at it!" In the near future there will be a score handicap system its un-avoideable. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 03/07/2021 09:19:17 2355521 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "It wouldn't though. Of course people will care about their team making a quarter final or not. The same format is used by clubs and people don't mind it there. A group of 8 with a load of dead rubbers will just bore people." I'm talking about the 8 groups of 4 format in 1 tier. I've said to you on another thread and a few other times in the past that I think your preferred format of 2 tiers of 4 groups of 4 would be a very good format and better than what we have now. I still think 2 tiers with 2 groups of 8 would be a better format and designed correctly doesn't actually have many dead rubbers. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 03/07/2021 09:33:07 2355527 Link
Time to follow the Ladies and have a Senior/Intermediate/ Junior Championship, with 12 teams in each, include a few teams from outside Ireland to make up numbers. Run it off in a League format with top teams playing final and bottom two relegated and two top teams promoted . Keep the providential Championship as an early season Competition and get rid of other early season games. jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 03/07/2021 09:35:48 2355528 Link
Replying To jacktheboy: "Time to follow the Ladies and have a Senior/Intermediate/ Junior Championship, with 12 teams in each, include a few teams from outside Ireland to make up numbers. Run it off in a League format with top teams playing final and bottom two relegated and two top teams promoted . Keep the providential Championship as an early season Competition and get rid of other early season games." I think 2 tiers is good, 3 tiers less so. The 2nd tier is elevated by being the entry route to the main competition. You add 3 tiers does it just mean that teams in the 3rd tier are that much further from the top that it impacts the game in those counties on a longer time frame. The structure shouldn't just look to make a strong competition this year, it should be for the overall all good of all counties. I also think comparing the women's game to the men's game is a bit silly, they've their own circumstances that they are catering for, where the ladies game is poorly developed in a number of counties. Hurling for similar reasons needs more tiers than football. 2 tiers gives more meaningful games without cutting the weakest adrift. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 03/07/2021 10:43:01 2355540 Link