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Replying To foreveryoung: "True. There have always good teams and bad teams, since the very beginning.1979 was a particularly fruitful year for the hammering of the minnow: Meath 6-19, Kilkenny 0-3; Dublin 4-16, Louth 0-4; Kerry 9-31, Clare 1-09 in the Milltown Massacre; and even in the AI semi-final, Kerry 5-14, Monaghan 0-7.
I didn't hear anyone cry mile murder back then. It is only since Dublin took over and done the 5-in-a-row (then 6) that all the lamentation has started.
It's high time, and has been for a long time to scrap the provincial championships. Everyone says Leinster is dead. Munster is worse and has always been worse. For all the talk of Dublin's dominance, the county has only 59 Leinster titles, which pales in comparison to Kerry's 82 titles in Munster. For about 70 of those titles the Kerry county board could have just as easily have sent a self stamped-addressed box to the Munster council for return delivery of the cup, which no one seems to even know the name of, such was the totally lop-sided nature and imbalance involved.
What value can a player put on a medal, the winning of which is as easy as taking candy off a baby?
The GAA needs to level the playing field. Pit teams against teams of similar worth and ability, and let them have at it. And don't mention this bridging-the-gap BS. The likes of Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, Kilkenny, Louth, Antrim, etc. (and a lot more) will never bridge the gap on counties like Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry, and Dublin (and a couple more). They have all had 137 years since the foundation of the association to bridge-the-gap. They haven't done it. In the next 137 years, they won't do it, either.
Let a bit of common sense and cop-on prevail in the GAA for a change." Well said
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Before this championship started I had Cork at high intermediate level. I certainly have to reassess that evaluation after what I witnessed today. How did Limerick ever manage to leave that game behind them against that Cork side? I suppose, if you don't take your chances, you can't expect to win!" Ya and thats just rubbish. I bet everyone of those Cork players are better footballers than you. Easy for you come on and kick them when they are down. Also cowardly.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/07/2021 20:50:09
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Replying To foreveryoung: "True. There have always good teams and bad teams, since the very beginning.1979 was a particularly fruitful year for the hammering of the minnow: Meath 6-19, Kilkenny 0-3; Dublin 4-16, Louth 0-4; Kerry 9-31, Clare 1-09 in the Milltown Massacre; and even in the AI semi-final, Kerry 5-14, Monaghan 0-7.
I didn't hear anyone cry mile murder back then. It is only since Dublin took over and done the 5-in-a-row (then 6) that all the lamentation has started.
It's high time, and has been for a long time to scrap the provincial championships. Everyone says Leinster is dead. Munster is worse and has always been worse. For all the talk of Dublin's dominance, the county has only 59 Leinster titles, which pales in comparison to Kerry's 82 titles in Munster. For about 70 of those titles the Kerry county board could have just as easily have sent a self stamped-addressed box to the Munster council for return delivery of the cup, which no one seems to even know the name of, such was the totally lop-sided nature and imbalance involved.
What value can a player put on a medal, the winning of which is as easy as taking candy off a baby?
The GAA needs to level the playing field. Pit teams against teams of similar worth and ability, and let them have at it. And don't mention this bridging-the-gap BS. The likes of Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, Kilkenny, Louth, Antrim, etc. (and a lot more) will never bridge the gap on counties like Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry, and Dublin (and a couple more). They have all had 137 years since the foundation of the association to bridge-the-gap. They haven't done it. In the next 137 years, they won't do it, either.
Let a bit of common sense and cop-on prevail in the GAA for a change." They do already. Its called the National League. Some counties prioritise it. In the semifinals of the top Division this year Kerry beat Tyrone by 16 points. Today they beat Cork (Division 2) by 20 points.
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Replying To Royal.Legend: "Leinster championship was competitive this year, Dublin didn't Coast through it this time, and I think you'll find they haven't won it yet either, allot of average teams up north with the reining ulster champions in division 4 and look what happened to them last year against dublin. The Tyrone and armagh teams of the mid naughties would hammer everyone in ulster at the minute unfortunately." TBH I don't even look at Leinster anymore, I'd pay no heed to the winning margins Dublin have there, they just do enough, if the won by a score like Kerry did today or Mayo did against Sligo and Leitrim there'd be fellas on here ranting about dividing Dublin into 4,
Dublin will win Leinster at their leisure, how many is it in a row now? Ulster is competitive and has produced some great nail biting finishes, we dominate div 1, that tells you all you need to know.
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The championship is unfair
The GAA has made and has no intention of trying to mitigate that imbalance
They don't even try to promote hurling in half the country ffs.
There is a fair way to do it though.
3 tiers
Serious contenders in tier 1
Tier 3 played earlier than tier 1 and be given the option of appearing in as divisional teams in tier 1
Just copy the Kerry county championship format- seems to work ok for them
Split Dublin in 4, Kerry in two and separate all cities from their counties.
Top 8 counties plus 8 divisional teams into All Ireland senior championship
8 divisional teams would be
Connacht, south Munster, South Leinster, North Munster, Dublin, West Ulster, East Ulster, north Leinster
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Replying To waynoI: "Galway were 16 pts down in the hurling yesterday and showed a bit about them to get back into it, they failed but at least they didnt just accept their fate and fought til the death and gave Waterford a bit of a fright. What is Corks excuse?
These traditional teams like Cork and to a lesser extent this year in fairness to the, Meath, have been routinely getting absolutely toyed with for the best part of 10 years against the Dublins and Kerry's. It doesnt happen in Ulster cause the Ulster teams dont stand for that carry on.
It's not money, it's not population, it's not tradition.... it's old fashioned guts and grit and not accepting this sh8t. Make teams feel uncomfortable being in the pitch even if you're not as good. Not having it that cork are 20+ pts worse than kerry. They just have a rotten attitude and until teams are willing to get stuck in and make life difficult for the top teams then we will continue to have these absolute borefests.
Grim." I have to agree with you Waynol. Cork are not as bad as that but threw in the towel at half time. Cork have some fine players and normally rise for Kerry but while they started well they just gave up the ghost at half time.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3667 - 25/07/2021 21:26:08
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Replying To Rebel2020: "Well said" The establishment of four teams in Dublin for a start,play a new competition on a trial basis with amalgamated teams and 8 stand alone teams plus the Dublin teams.The so called "minnows" could be invited to submit entries to the competition and a committee could structure the amalgamated teams.This way no county is forced to amalgamate even on a trial basis.As previously proposed the Railway Cup to be presented to the winners,no point in it lying idle!
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 25/07/2021 21:29:43
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "TBH I don't even look at Leinster anymore, I'd pay no heed to the winning margins Dublin have there, they just do enough, if the won by a score like Kerry did today or Mayo did against Sligo and Leitrim there'd be fellas on here ranting about dividing Dublin into 4,
Dublin will win Leinster at their leisure, how many is it in a row now? Ulster is competitive and has produced some great nail biting finishes, we dominate div 1, that tells you all you need to know." Dominate division 1 when was the last time a ulster side won division 1
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Replying To Whammo86: "The negative is that there's a lot of mismatches still. There's also no need to start the league so early and run it off as long as you do. 2 break weekends is enough and a final one after it.
Run provincials off after league if you want then. 6 weeks is needed for that. We're up to 16 weeks total.
Go into 2 tier All Ireland then after that.
Top 16 into 4 groups of 4. Bottom 16 into 4 groups of 4. It'll take 9 more weeks to play that off. 25 week season, starts in February, ends at the end of July.
Tier 1 Made up of 4 Provincial champions, Previous season's All Ireland champions, Previous season's Tier 2 champions. 10 best teams from the league not already qualified." Not a bad championship structure there whammo I like the look of it.
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Replying To Royal.Legend: "Dominate division 1 when was the last time a ulster side won division 1" 8 teams in div 1, 4 of them are Ulster teams, it's fairly easy to understand.
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Replying To Royal.Legend: "Dominate division 1 when was the last time a ulster side won division 1" Who wants to win the league ? Our gravy is the ulster championship
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anyone else see any thing wrong with my structure? please have a look and see what you think? i just thought it was straightforward and very democratic
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "TBH I don't even look at Leinster anymore, I'd pay no heed to the winning margins Dublin have there, they just do enough, if the won by a score like Kerry did today or Mayo did against Sligo and Leitrim there'd be fellas on here ranting about dividing Dublin into 4,
Dublin will win Leinster at their leisure, how many is it in a row now? Ulster is competitive and has produced some great nail biting finishes, we dominate div 1, that tells you all you need to know." If by dominate div 1 you mean no Ulster winner since 2008, you're spot on.
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Clifford one on one against Cork goalkeeper and shoots straight at him. How come no one noticed that ?
Average at best execution there I think.
If you're deemed worthy of adulation after a bit of soccer footwork then surely you should be judged on the same standard when missing a certain goal miss.
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The Munster championship has become as lopsided and irrelevant as the Leinster championship.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "True. There have always good teams and bad teams, since the very beginning.1979 was a particularly fruitful year for the hammering of the minnow: Meath 6-19, Kilkenny 0-3; Dublin 4-16, Louth 0-4; Kerry 9-31, Clare 1-09 in the Milltown Massacre; and even in the AI semi-final, Kerry 5-14, Monaghan 0-7.
I didn't hear anyone cry mile murder back then. It is only since Dublin took over and done the 5-in-a-row (then 6) that all the lamentation has started.
It's high time, and has been for a long time to scrap the provincial championships. Everyone says Leinster is dead. Munster is worse and has always been worse. For all the talk of Dublin's dominance, the county has only 59 Leinster titles, which pales in comparison to Kerry's 82 titles in Munster. For about 70 of those titles the Kerry county board could have just as easily have sent a self stamped-addressed box to the Munster council for return delivery of the cup, which no one seems to even know the name of, such was the totally lop-sided nature and imbalance involved.
What value can a player put on a medal, the winning of which is as easy as taking candy off a baby?
The GAA needs to level the playing field. Pit teams against teams of similar worth and ability, and let them have at it. And don't mention this bridging-the-gap BS. The likes of Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, Kilkenny, Louth, Antrim, etc. (and a lot more) will never bridge the gap on counties like Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry, and Dublin (and a couple more). They have all had 137 years since the foundation of the association to bridge-the-gap. They haven't done it. In the next 137 years, they won't do it, either.
Let a bit of common sense and cop-on prevail in the GAA for a change." You would have to be bred, born, and reared in a weaker county to understand what a weak county in reality is, the numbers are growing, by my reckoning there is 8 counties that need emergency help, (which they are not going to get.) another 3 need additional help, (which they are not going to get either.) another 5 are surviving on nervous energy and sheer willpower, that is a conservative estimate, very conservative.
For starters, if we pick one county from each province, like, Wicklow (Leinster) Waterford (Munster) and Fermanagh (Ulster) that is 10.5 % of the counties that may never win a provincial title, my own county Carlow won one LSF championship title in 1944, I could go on as there is plenty more counties in the same boat in fact it has been like that for the past mega years, as far as I can see the problem is irreversible, for ever.
The GAA is a HYBRID organisation that simply can't work effectively / efficiently in this very modern fiscal world of ours, remove Dublin and it would be very noticeable, but then there are others hiding in the long grass, the GAA is a very much political association it's full of politics partly the reason why a snap or quick decision can't be made, it takes forever to make the simplest of changes. (by design)
It appears as if the GAA are shackled to the media big time including RTE, small fry like the weakest of the weak counties are just a nuisance to the media all inclusive. If I were born and reared in say, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, etc, I simply wouldn't want to know the problems of other counties such as the weaker ones, now that sort of makes me a hypocrite with a capital H.
After 20 years we are back to the open knock out draw, it's only with that, that we can see the imbalance that's out there, it's the same imbalance that was there 20 years ago, so in their wisdom the mighty back door was put in situ and a bigger monster was created, an extra game, a day in the sun, problem solved, my - - - e.
I came on here a few years ago to get a feel for peoples thoughts on gaelic games, the back door system and where it is going, as well as that to throw out my own views on where we the weaker counties are not going anytime soon, even though posters here are anonymous I found I can read between the lines, I sort of got good at that, because of posters anonymity I would rate less than 20% of all posts / posters genuine, another 20 or 25% hypocritical in so far that so called chitter chatter established counties will accept a poster who is not signed up to or affiliated to a county of their own, but instead fly a jolly Rodger like UK, USA, Australia at the same time ignore home grown posters signed up their rightfully owned county.
It's very probable that levelling the playing field I used to dream about may never happen, why should it when we allow it to be no more than a talking shop.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 25/07/2021 23:29:11
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Because in soccer there's more of a chance of a small fish beating a big gun on any given day, like when Villa stuffed Liverpool 7-2 when they were Champions." The point is there are winning and losing teams in every sport, and there are teams ritually thrashed. But always there is usually one winner, thats sport, in six nations Italy regularly get beatings, yeah in the odd blue moon they catch one of the others on an off day, like Villa vs Liverpool. But only in the GAA championship when a 4th div minnow gets lambasted by a juggernaut do the mad equilisers appear. When the obvious is staring us all in the face, in a championship why would you pit teams like that? Sadly its because the masochists following the minnows have some sort of moral veto.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4893 - 25/07/2021 23:36:28
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Replying To bennybunny: "Ya and thats just rubbish. I bet everyone of those Cork players are better footballers than you. Easy for you come on and kick them when they are down. Also cowardly." I hope for Cork's sake that they are better than me. I'm gone 60 now. You're the man who has been pushing Cork footballers' entitlement to be senior, much to the amusement of many other posters. We all saw what that entitlement is worth today; not worth a ball of blue.
And don't go on about the league, as you're wont to do. Teams do not put out their best teams in the league. They try new players, game plans, etc.
Wake up and smell the Barry's Tea, but have a good drink of reality, before you post on here again.
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That's another reason why I think why the GAA has been so slow to reform the Championship, if they went to a 3 tier system the Ulster teams would dominate the top tier the same way they dominate the top tier of the league,
the Ulster final next Saturday will be the only competitive provincial final where the winner isn't a foregone conclusion.
Galway flattered to deceive yesterday, Kerry destroyed Cork and the Dubs will beat Kildare at their ease probably by 5 or 6 points in 3rd gear.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "That's another reason why I think why the GAA has been so slow to reform the Championship, if they went to a 3 tier system the Ulster teams would dominate the top tier the same way they dominate the top tier of the league,
the Ulster final next Saturday will be the only competitive provincial final where the winner isn't a foregone conclusion.
Galway flattered to deceive yesterday, Kerry destroyed Cork and the Dubs will beat Kildare at their ease probably by 5 or 6 points in 3rd gear." A lot of Ulster teams are on the same level, no stand out team so its not very difficult to create a competitive environment. Mayo, Dublin or Kerry will account for Tyrone or Monaghan with ease, in my opinion.
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