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When was the last time an Ulster team defeated Dublin, Mayo or Kerry in the championship? There has been loads of examples the other way round in recent seasons. Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 28/06/2021 19:21:23 2354323 Link 4 |
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I'm afraid not this time sir. To lose to Derry, Fermanagh and Wicklow in last two months simply not good enough. Expect a poor Tyrone team to win by 8 plus points. Remember with the new arrangement, Cavan could be a tier two team beyond 2023. I'm sure Mickey Graham does care about this and if he doesn't, he certainly should.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 508 - 28/06/2021 19:40:02 2354329 Link 1 |
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If the winners of Connacht/Munster had to play a play off to qualify for the All-Ireland series against the runners up in Ulster/Leinster to qualify for the All-Ireland series, Mayo would only reach the business end every 2/3 years but this is the equivelant of what Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan have to do every year. Ronan1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 81 - 28/06/2021 20:30:22 2354348 Link 2 |
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What about when Mayo/Kerry do get to the business end compared to the Ulster teams or when the come up against each other? What's the excuse then? They are tired I suppose Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 28/06/2021 21:25:40 2354376 Link 0 |
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Why pick out Mayo? Connacht isn't even the least competitive provincial chanpionhship. You say Mayo's "easy" run skews people's view of us. Well we went thru the back door a few times playing multiple tough games all the way to finals. Does the "easy" runs put a mark beside all those All Ireland's Kerry won in the past? Dublins recent decade of successes often invoked only one or two competitive games. Galway hurlers for years only had to win two games to win an all Ireland but was seen as a hindernace. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 28/06/2021 21:30:34 2354377 Link 10 |
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The quality in ulster is massively overrated. Since Donegal beat Dublin in 2014, no ulster side has had a significant win outside the province.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 28/06/2021 21:35:19 2354379 Link 1 |
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How many div 1 teams are Ulster teams then?
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 28/06/2021 22:18:35 2354388 Link 1 |
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'Between them they have done more than Mayo. If you want to try again and go back further over a period of 5 years you will find you are still wrong.' Is this poster an actual troll? lmao nicko94 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 28/06/2021 22:51:31 2354396 Link 0 |
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If you are to actually rank teams without a Mayo or Donegal bias you have to account for last years league AND championship as a start point before applying results in 2021 to give a ranking tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1108 - 29/06/2021 02:50:35 2354436 Link 0 |
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Neither have Mayo since 1951
bobo91 (Monaghan) - Posts: 16 - 29/06/2021 09:10:12 2354458 Link 2 |
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Wow. Flaker get your boys under control. What a statement to come out with. Leinster have Dublin. Munster have Kerry. Connaught have Mayo and Ulster have Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, and Armagh.
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 29/06/2021 09:38:55 2354462 Link 2 |
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When have Donegal, Armagh, Tyrone or Monaghan beaten Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in a big game ?.
jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 29/06/2021 09:45:10 2354467 Link 0 |
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Armagh I see are suddenly one of the big boys? Listen Ulster is the most competitive but I would argue Galway and Roscommon are in the same ball park as Monaghan and Tyrone. And the point he is making is that Ulster teams are making no impact outside of the province. If all of these teams were at a high level they would be contesting semis and finals fairly often I would have thought.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 29/06/2021 10:22:17 2354477 Link 9 |
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Not for a long long long time. But Donegal and Tyrone are supposedly ahead of Mayo just because they are from Ulster. Regardless of how they actually perform outside of it. Mind boggling. Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 29/06/2021 10:27:27 2354479 Link 0 |
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Disregard Jack. He's clearly only here to make friends by kissing ****. Are they not contesting finals and semi finals recently? Tyrone made the semi final in 2019 and the final in 2018. Monaghan also made a semi final in 2018 by beating Kerry to get there. Armagh have to be regarded as a big boy now. They drew with Donegal and beat Monaghan and debatably should have beat Tyrone. They hockeyed roscommon. So yes, I would see them as a top 6/7 team in Ireland. MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 29/06/2021 10:27:39 2354480 Link 3 |
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Ulster is highly competitive. There top teams still haven't been doing as well as the other provinces top teams once outside the provincials though.
Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 29/06/2021 10:29:26 2354481 Link 0 |
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Grand. Let's use your logic then. Kerry hammered Tyrone so therefore Tyrone can't be considered near the top. So one Ulster team made a final in 7 years? Thanks for clarifying that. I love the way you place massive importance on certain league games. Mayo just about survived relegation most years for the last 10 years but were still getting to finals beating Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal etc on the way. Picking out certain league games is hardly proof of where exactly a team are at.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 29/06/2021 10:38:16 2354486 Link 8 |
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How do you come up with that logic? As well as other provinces? Outside of Ulster each province has one good team - Kerry, Dublin, and Mayo. The chances are these teams are going to get to semi finals more often than one individual Ulster team. As a collective Ulster has done better than any other province probably since Cork were good. Which was the early 2010s. When was the last time Connaught won an AI? Was it Galway in 2001. Kerry have made one final appearance since 2014. Yes, Mayo have been number 2 in Ireland all through out the 2010s and I mentioned that earlier in a post but the title of the thread is 2021 Rankings so far and going back to the initial point in saying that Mayo hardly deserve to be ahead of Donegal and Tyrone because they beat the likes of Westmeath and Clare. I agreed that if Mayo and Donegal played it would be a 50-50 game but the consensus here is that Mayo and Kerry are a league ahead of Donegal and Kerry to which I must disagree. If you use logic to define it you will soon agree as well. Since the end of 2019 Mayo have been described as a team in transition. Yes, they made a final last year but they played 2 teams in Connaught and a poor Tipp team to get there. You can't just act blind to that fact alone and say yes Mayo are ahead of Donegal/Tyrone. How can anyone actually say that.
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 29/06/2021 10:38:53 2354487 Link 2 |
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Tyrone made the 2018 final by beating Donegal in super 8s and Monaghan in the semi final. Monaghan did not beat Kerry, it was a draw. They did beat a Galway side who were already qualified. The jury is still out on Armagh. They've a terrible championship record in recent years. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 29/06/2021 10:40:50 2354490 Link 1 |
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Well Galway and Roscommon were division 1 until recently, yet according to some Mayo had an easy run to the final in 2020
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 29/06/2021 10:46:03 2354496 Link 0 |