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How can a team go from winning a notoriously tough Ulster Championship to being relegated to division 4 just a couple of months later? It makes no sense.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 491 - 12/06/2021 16:43:58    2349828

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "How can a team go from winning a notoriously tough Ulster Championship to being relegated to division 4 just a couple of months later? It makes no sense."
Very, very difficult situation to discuss rationally tbh. Your user name would be a good summation tbh! But no in all honesty if I was to make any guesses as to how such a thing could happen:

This Cavan team have figurately hit their highest possible peak in winning Ulster last year, from division 3 nonetheless. Hunger, drive, training and preparation may have went through the floor afterward as a result. I would only describe Cavan as a GAA wormhole without comparison, the Kerry's, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Mayo etc dont even come close. They're puritanical in Cavan about football. Ive never met such fans anywhere else. In any case the elation and joy of last year's championship among the rural county setting would likely mess around with players heads and seriously disrupt progression. If I was to wager a reason for this league campaign that has to be it. Put it down to mental burnout, lack of foresight, management not knowing how to channel the current situation, players going off the rails… maybe all of these things to some extent.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 12/06/2021 17:18:34    2349844

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Not really, their performance in the AI semi was honest but way off the mark.
If you played that ulster final again and again you would probably lose most of the time.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8269 - 12/06/2021 17:27:49    2349845

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "How can a team go from winning a notoriously tough Ulster Championship to being relegated to division 4 just a couple of months later? It makes no sense."
Had it been a horse race , there would have been a stewards enquiry, doesn't say much for the dunnies either.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 12/06/2021 17:33:19    2349848

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "How can a team go from winning a notoriously tough Ulster Championship to being relegated to division 4 just a couple of months later? It makes no sense."
I'm not been disrespectful. But just because a league/ or in this case a province is competitive does not mean it is of high standard. Wicklow have NEVER won a Leinster yet they could beat the reigning champions of ulster. Look at Kerry destroying Tyrone. Again I don't mean to demean Cavan but Dublin easily swatted them away while playing within themselves. I believe the whole ulster is the most competitive province (which It probably is) been the same as the best has to stop. Wicklow are a tough team and yet would only be 6/7 in Leinster. Take dubs out of Leinster and it is by far the most competitive province with any one of 8 capable of winning any game

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 12/06/2021 17:39:23    2349853

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Shows what a fluke the Ulster win was last year tbh. Donegal should never be getting beaten by a team of Cavan's standard but that's what can happen when you take your eye off the ball, Cavan should bounce straight back up from div 4 though.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1731 - 12/06/2021 18:03:54    2349869

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Given the beating Tyrone are getting just now, Cavan will be confident enough come championship.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 845 - 12/06/2021 18:10:08    2349875

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The main reason Ulster is competitive is because they all detest each other, the only team who can actually play the game are Down, we have "Throne" and the "Dunnies" to thank for decimating the game with their muck ball.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 12/06/2021 18:41:10    2349883

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Because ulster is not as strong as people think. And is far easier to win than it use to be.

Sssthe (Mayo) - Posts: 44 - 12/06/2021 18:48:10    2349890

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I do not think that Cavan getting beaten by Wicklow will have much effect come championship even though I do not see them winning Ulster. Ulster appear the most competitive as they are the province with the most teams in Div 1 over the last 6-8 years if I'm correct. In Leinster, Dublin is well above everyone else and outside Leinster Mayo were the only team who could compete with them. I would now add Kerry.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2269 - 12/06/2021 19:07:02    2349897

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Given the beating Tyrone are getting just now, Cavan will be confident enough come championship."
I was thinking that myself. Cavan could go on a run in ulster. As they all around same level.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 12/06/2021 19:21:25    2349903

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Up the Garden. We won that's what happened.

Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1107 - 12/06/2021 19:50:04    2349918

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Shows what a fluke the Ulster win was last year tbh. Donegal should never be getting beaten by a team of Cavan's standard but that's what can happen when you take your eye off the ball, Cavan should bounce straight back up from div 4 though."
You would think you'd keep your head down after your antics and calls on here last year in the run up to the Ulster final. Hardly a fluke, was likely one of the hardest ever won, to be out 4 weekends on the trot from the preliminary round. It's likely that run and win is how they've not been able to get up mentally for this league. They've shown though that they're a championship team, as after the last 2 relegations they reached an Ulster Final, and then won it the year after. Disappointing as it is, league form does not seem to mean much to this team.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1126 - 12/06/2021 19:54:42    2349921

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Would be no harm if Wicklow were given some credit!

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 576 - 12/06/2021 20:29:45    2349939

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Replying To Wicklowman:  "Up the Garden. We won that's what happened."
And congratulations to you. I'm delighted for Wicklow. And I mean that sincerely

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 12/06/2021 20:31:02    2349941

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You would think you'd keep your head down after your antics and calls on here last year in the run up to the Ulster final. Hardly a fluke, was likely one of the hardest ever won, to be out 4 weekends on the trot from the preliminary round. It's likely that run and win is how they've not been able to get up mentally for this league. They've shown though that they're a championship team, as after the last 2 relegations they reached an Ulster Final, and then won it the year after. Disappointing as it is, league form does not seem to mean much to this team."
That I'm afraid is wishful thinking (and I've done it myself) but Cavan are looking at two years in tailteann cup . The upside is that I actually give you a chance against Tyrone, who were horrendous today. So there's always a silver lining

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 12/06/2021 20:34:04    2349944

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "You would think you'd keep your head down after your antics and calls on here last year in the run up to the Ulster final. Hardly a fluke, was likely one of the hardest ever won, to be out 4 weekends on the trot from the preliminary round. It's likely that run and win is how they've not been able to get up mentally for this league. They've shown though that they're a championship team, as after the last 2 relegations they reached an Ulster Final, and then won it the year after. Disappointing as it is, league form does not seem to mean much to this team."
Ignore him. Championship is different and I wouldn't be so confident in Donegal. Anyway, none of us are getting anyway near Dublin.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 354 - 12/06/2021 20:44:04    2349947

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Replying To ponga:  "Would be no harm if Wicklow were given some credit!"
Well said Ponga. When the favourites lose we tend to bash them instead of congratulating the Victor's. We'll done Wicklow. Cavan will be back.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2679 - 12/06/2021 20:55:27    2349952

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Ignore him. Championship is different and I wouldn't be so confident in Donegal. Anyway, none of us are getting anyway near Dublin."
Hope we haven't too many supporters like you anyway, good run out against the Dubs, I'd say we learned a lot from that, Donegal aren't far away, at full strength we are capable of beating anyone, including Dublin.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1731 - 12/06/2021 20:56:22    2349953

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Replying To royaldunne:  "That I'm afraid is wishful thinking (and I've done it myself) but Cavan are looking at two years in tailteann cup . The upside is that I actually give you a chance against Tyrone, who were horrendous today. So there's always a silver lining"
Oh it's absolutely wishful thinking, it's all I've got today after that performance. But simply pointing out what happened the last 2 years. I'm seriously hoping we've something up our sleeve for championship

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1126 - 12/06/2021 21:00:39    2349955

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