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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Kerry have to play 3 games compared to Tyrones 3 games? Yes, that is correct. But, Kerry are playing Limerick, Tipperary, and Cork. Whereas Tyrone play Cavan Donegal and Monaghan/Armagh. I don't know about you but I think I'd much rather play Limerick/Tipp/Cork.

While we're talking about things that won't happen this year then I think Galway will win Munster this year."
We're actually down to play Clare in the quarter final, then the Munster champions Tipp in the semifinal and then we'd more than likely have to play Cork in the final, Cork the team that knocked us out in last years Munster championship.

Itll be an interesting Munster championship, and the fact that sky have picked our game against Clare and possible game against Tipp in the semifinal says they think the same.

Looking forward to it getting started.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/06/2021 18:26:02    2349064

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would prefer to play Fermanagh or Antrim than Clare or Tipp but that won't be happening. Dublin won't win ulster this year either."
Exactly, Munster will be tough, limerick could beat Cork as well, it's hard to know what the Munster championship will throw up, it could be a limerick Clare final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/06/2021 20:14:14    2349076

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It'll be some craic down there if Kerry get knocked out of Munster again, heads will roll for sure this time. awful pity we wasted this last weekend with no football games, I'm sure they were playing challenge games anyway.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 08/06/2021 20:31:14    2349082

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "It'll be some craic down there if Kerry get knocked out of Munster again, heads will roll for sure this time. awful pity we wasted this last weekend with no football games, I'm sure they were playing challenge games anyway."
I have no doubt heads will roll if Kerry don't win munster this year.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 08/06/2021 20:56:00    2349087

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly, Munster will be tough, limerick could beat Cork as well, it's hard to know what the Munster championship will throw up, it could be a limerick Clare final."
Could be but more than likely will not to be fair.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 08/06/2021 21:54:44    2349107

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "It'll be some craic down there if Kerry get knocked out of Munster again, heads will roll for sure this time. awful pity we wasted this last weekend with no football games, I'm sure they were playing challenge games anyway."
Win or lose this year PK will be gone,

I passed fitzgeralds stadium Sunday lunchtime and there was something happening there whether it was a challenge match or A v B game I couldn't tell so ya they could easily have just ploughed through without a break.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/06/2021 22:42:59    2349119

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly, Munster will be tough, limerick could beat Cork as well, it's hard to know what the Munster championship will throw up, it could be a limerick Clare final."
You're a gas man :D :D :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 08/06/2021 23:26:40    2349128

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I have no doubt heads will roll if Kerry don't win munster this year."
They will win Munster this year and there 38th All Ireland

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/06/2021 23:28:04    2349130

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly, Munster will be tough, limerick could beat Cork as well, it's hard to know what the Munster championship will throw up, it could be a limerick Clare final."
Not hard at all ! Kerry to win there 82nd Munster title not having to get out of 2nd gear

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 08/06/2021 23:33:28    2349131

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Look, if Kerry played in Ulster they'd have a fair few Ulster titles granted. That's a fact. The Kingdom don't have the amount of Celtic Crosses they do by lifting them off the ground.

However, the competitiveness involved in an Ulster win inevitably leads to more injuries, knocks and mental fatigue than a Munster win. I don't care how much yerra the Kerry boys spin on this. They expect a Munster title win EVERY year as par for the course. There is not one team in Ulster, no matter how dominant a particular team is at any particular point in time, that would assume the same.

Ye might argue that that is our problem, that the likes of maybe Donegal or Tyrone or Down, or Armagh, or Derry, or Monaghan, or Cavan etc should be thinking along the same lines. But the list of counties I've just mentioned illustrates my point.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 09/06/2021 00:12:34    2349136

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly, Munster will be tough, limerick could beat Cork as well, it's hard to know what the Munster championship will throw up, it could be a limerick Clare final."
How much have you on a Limerick Clare final Tommy.
Ya, I thought so.
Clare bate Kerry in 92. When has that happened since and when did Tipp last bate ye.
Tis the hurling that takes priority in Munster. Yeve another clean run at it again. Maybe don't be counting you're chickens too soon this time though.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/06/2021 08:08:53    2349141

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Replying To catch22:  "How much have you on a Limerick Clare final Tommy.
Ya, I thought so.
Clare bate Kerry in 92. When has that happened since and when did Tipp last bate ye.
Tis the hurling that takes priority in Munster. Yeve another clean run at it again. Maybe don't be counting you're chickens too soon this time though."
Well jimbo I don't gamble at all and I don't think you should gamble either considering you thought Donegal would hammer Cavan in last years Ulster final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/06/2021 10:20:37    2349155

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Look, if Kerry played in Ulster they'd have a fair few Ulster titles granted. That's a fact. The Kingdom don't have the amount of Celtic Crosses they do by lifting them off the ground.

However, the competitiveness involved in an Ulster win inevitably leads to more injuries, knocks and mental fatigue than a Munster win. I don't care how much yerra the Kerry boys spin on this. They expect a Munster title win EVERY year as par for the course. There is not one team in Ulster, no matter how dominant a particular team is at any particular point in time, that would assume the same.

Ye might argue that that is our problem, that the likes of maybe Donegal or Tyrone or Down, or Armagh, or Derry, or Monaghan, or Cavan etc should be thinking along the same lines. But the list of counties I've just mentioned illustrates my point."
Ya in fairness Ulster is the most competitive province hands down, you couldn't comfortably say any 1 team will win yer championship and Connacht is the second most competitive championship with Munster 3rd and leinster 4th and in a time when the chance of winning an allireland in football is completely gone winning the provincial championships might actually become a bigger deal.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/06/2021 10:31:26    2349157

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya in fairness Ulster is the most competitive province hands down, you couldn't comfortably say any 1 team will win yer championship and Connacht is the second most competitive championship with Munster 3rd and leinster 4th and in a time when the chance of winning an allireland in football is completely gone winning the provincial championships might actually become a bigger deal."
Yeah ya see that's the thing. A team like Fermanagh is never going to win an All-Ireland but they could land an Ulster and it would be deservedly & wild celebrated in the Erne county. They have come close, was it 2009 if memory serves me they should have beaten Armagh but drew, and then lost the replay. If you take away the provincials, then League success is really the only realistically obtainable silverware they can hope for.

It's a very tricky one. So many new formats have been proposed. No matter what route the GAA go some people will be upset. I think though that the starting point for any new proposal has to be the axing of the provincials. That will be extremely unpalatable to some counties but the GAA don't really have any wiggle room to create new, fairer formats until this space is cleared.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 09/06/2021 11:54:09    2349176

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I always concede to the fact that Ulster is the most competitive province but Munster is not as weak as some of you think. There have been 3 different winners in the last 10 years Cork Tipp and Kerry. That's 50%as there s only 6 teams. Also Clare and Limerick have made all ireland quarter finals over the last ten years. I will agree those teams were weak in the 70s and 80s but Cork at the time were super and many felt Cork were the 2nd best team in the country at the time.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 09/06/2021 12:17:15    2349183

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah ya see that's the thing. A team like Fermanagh is never going to win an All-Ireland but they could land an Ulster and it would be deservedly & wild celebrated in the Erne county. They have come close, was it 2009 if memory serves me they should have beaten Armagh but drew, and then lost the replay. If you take away the provincials, then League success is really the only realistically obtainable silverware they can hope for.

It's a very tricky one. So many new formats have been proposed. No matter what route the GAA go some people will be upset. I think though that the starting point for any new proposal has to be the axing of the provincials. That will be extremely unpalatable to some counties but the GAA don't really have any wiggle room to create new, fairer formats until this space is cleared."
Keep provincials but not as part of All Ireland. Have a 32 county knockout All Ireland with no replays if they think their pushed for time. This way lower teams can go flat out for provincials when bigger teams might be looking ahead to the All Ireland. No replays help the lower teams as well in the case of an upset.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 09/06/2021 12:18:01    2349184

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Keep provincials but not as part of All Ireland. Have a 32 county knockout All Ireland with no replays if they think their pushed for time. This way lower teams can go flat out for provincials when bigger teams might be looking ahead to the All Ireland. No replays help the lower teams as well in the case of an upset."
Yeah but would the value of the provincial win not be diminished by the fact so called bigger teams will be looking ahead to the AI competition as you mention? Would it not just become a sort of trumped up McKenna Cup? I think there still needs to be some sort of an incentive for winning the province. Sure, it's nice to win a trophy, but I think it has to feed into the overall All Ireland series somehow.

Or else, just bin them & create a new fairer AI format.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 09/06/2021 13:55:03    2349202

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Id do away with the provincials completely myself, i know people will say local rivalry and all that its Ireland though you are really only about three hours from anywhere. and more life needs to be brought to rivalries in general. Id much rather play Armagh, Down, Derry, Silgo or who ever really rather then the same teams year in, year out, decade after decade.

Im sure most other Leinster teams would like to open up, too, its like a great white shark in a fish bowl with goldfish at the moment, i know many will say otherwise and i dont want to start a World war, but deep down everyone knows Munster is the same, the history of the competition points to it, its worse then Leinster historically.

Id also acknowledge the unfair advantage Dublin have being in Leinster, also the Munster Champions the majority of years. Unfair on Mayo, Galway, Rossies and Ulster teams. Its easier for Dublin and Kerry to win all Irelands in my opinion.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/06/2021 14:48:26    2349219

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Id do away with the provincials completely myself, i know people will say local rivalry and all that its Ireland though you are really only about three hours from anywhere. and more life needs to be brought to rivalries in general. Id much rather play Armagh, Down, Derry, Silgo or who ever really rather then the same teams year in, year out, decade after decade.

Im sure most other Leinster teams would like to open up, too, its like a great white shark in a fish bowl with goldfish at the moment, i know many will say otherwise and i dont want to start a World war, but deep down everyone knows Munster is the same, the history of the competition points to it, its worse then Leinster historically.

Id also acknowledge the unfair advantage Dublin have being in Leinster, also the Munster Champions the majority of years. Unfair on Mayo, Galway, Rossies and Ulster teams. Its easier for Dublin and Kerry to win all Irelands in my opinion."
And it's easier for dublin to win allirelands than it is for Kerry seeing as ye play 90% of yer games at home including the final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/06/2021 16:19:41    2349241

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "And it's easier for dublin to win allirelands than it is for Kerry seeing as ye play 90% of yer games at home including the final."
Dublin have always played 90% of their games at home. Dublin has 30 AI's. Kerry has 37.

So, please substantiate your ignorant comment Kingdumboy1.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1910 - 09/06/2021 16:37:39    2349245

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