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Probably the most vital thing you can have on a team nowadays,particularly in close games,is a proper free taker. He has that ability and that combined with his overall work rate and contribution to the team makes him a better all rounder. Now, I would have to agree with you on your observation that he is not David Clifford.You didn't come down in the last shower. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 18/05/2021 21:29:27 2343229 Link 1 |
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Does anybody remember Darran O'Sullivans back heel kick v Limerick (I think) years ago. Class. lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 18/05/2021 21:57:46 2343234 Link 0 |
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David Clifford also offers all of those things. So again what makes Sean O Shea a better all rounder? Also had he and not Clifford scored the very same goal would you be finding fault with it? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 18/05/2021 22:30:54 2343242 Link 1 |
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I think it's funny people think sean o'shea is better, it's like they are just going against popular opinion! O'shea is top class obviously but no way is he better then clifford
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 19/05/2021 02:53:41 2343263 Link 2 |
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It's not even a question of him being better or not. He's a completely different type of player from Clifford. As I said it was the same for years with Colm Copper. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2021 09:35:46 2343272 Link 1 |
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I do indeed Lilylanger. Pure class but Darran was really good at soccer. He played youth with QPR in London. I also remember Martin Daly of Clare back heeling a point v Tipp in a munster championship. Never saw anything like it before or since. Amazing.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 19/05/2021 09:41:20 2343275 Link 0 |
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I agree a good free taker is so important to a team but that does nt mean they are more important to the team. Who would you prefer on your team Brian Fenton or Dean Rock.?
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 19/05/2021 09:44:49 2343279 Link 0 |
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I just remember at the time thinking the supreme confidence of the lad to do that. I remember it was everywhere in the press back then. 2010? Nevermind just googled it, 2011!
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 19/05/2021 10:05:52 2343284 Link 1 |
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So Clifford is now a better free taker as well. Come out of the clouds lad would you. You're obviously just not able to accept another viewpoint. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 12:52:40 2343325 Link 1 |
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What have them two boys got to do with Clifford or O Shea ? Two totally different players. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 12:54:50 2343328 Link 0 |
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Where did I say that? I said he's also a free taker. Why didn't you answer the question about had O Shea scored the same goal? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2021 13:16:43 2343334 Link 0 |
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Well Sean O Shea has nothing to do with Clifford but it didn't start you bringing him into it did it?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2021 13:17:30 2343336 Link 0 |
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Your view is I Shea is better than Clifford(and maybe he is) but I gather you are saying because he is a great free kicker that sways the balance. So I'm saying Rock is a great free taker but Fenton a better player. That's all.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 19/05/2021 13:21:17 2343339 Link 0 |
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I think the point he is making is that Dublin & Kerry would be diminished much more by the loss of Fenton and Clifford than they would be by missing Dean Rock or Sean O'Shea, Cormac Costello illustrated that perfectly at the weekend scoring 1-13. Plenty good free takers around the country, even from the so called weaker counties, Paul Broderick of Carlow, Keith Beirne of Leitrim, Brosnan of Wexford etc, not too many David Cliffords though.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 19/05/2021 13:25:43 2343341 Link 1 |
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Clifford is a very good free taker as well oneoff as you probably know, iv seen him kick 45s as a 16 and 17 year old not a bother, his brother paudie is also good from frees as is Tony Brosnan so we're very lucky in that department. Seánie is great at what he does and Clifford is great at what he does, iv seen Seánie play full forward when he was injured for kenmare last year and him scoring the winner against crokes I think it was. Both Clifford and Seánie have worked really well off each other which is great to see and both are very unselfish players. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/05/2021 13:45:55 2343351 Link 0 |
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David Clifford's last big game was Munster c'ship v Cork last year, score 0-4 (3 from play), 5 wides including two close range frees. We all know he is a huge talent, however he hasn't answered all the questions yet.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 19/05/2021 18:32:49 2343458 Link 2 |
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I didn't bring him into it at all. I simply agreed with another poster who said he preferred him. Try reading back the posts there lad before you go Nellie on it. You said Clifford brings all those things when I mentioned free taking. He's not as good a free taker which is essential to winning anything nowadays so he doesn't bring that level of accuracy from frees that's why Seanie O Shea takes them or are the management wrong aswell. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 19:04:26 2343465 Link 2 |
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Who would you prefer was kicking the vital last minute free as a Kerry man if ye were playing the Dubs ? And which of the two boys would you prefer was kicking the same free if the shoe was on the other foot ? catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/05/2021 19:09:36 2343466 Link 0 |
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I would prefer Ó Shea to be kicking the free(but that does nt mean I think he s better). I would prefer Rock to take a free before Con Ó Callaghan or Fenton but for me Con and Brian better players. . CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 19/05/2021 20:43:54 2343480 Link 0 |
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Agree he s not perfect but if all forwards got 3 points from play every manager would be delighted. No player is perfect. Ive seen many greats held scoreless. Diarmuid Connolly was held scoreless in a few finals and both you and I agree he was a fab player. Gooch held scoreless from play in 2 finals. Shane Walsh on a few occasions kept scoreless. That game he had an off day but still scored 3 points from play. Agreed he missed two very handy frees and went for a goal instead of a point but I'm happy enough with his progress.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 19/05/2021 20:50:10 2343481 Link 0 |