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Replying To Richardkimble:  "There's nobody here doubting what cheddar has done for laois he's a good man and a great hurling man. Eddie Brennans position was untenable because that pup against Eddie's wishes made that interview that Eddie asked to be completely off the record public he's a no good troublemaker. I'm sure if Eddie got the buy in from everyone he would have drove it on but the usual roadblocks were put in place. Cheddar should not have come back that's my opinion and the opinion of many other people. When he finished his time in laois they were getting very bad defeats regularly and going down hill. Also if rumours are correct and they are just rumors lots of players are losing interest and reports of the few pints are doing the rounds."
Any thing for a story those idiots don't care what team or person they hurt. No fan of two face Eddie (great player) but his position became untenable.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 13/06/2021 19:54:45    2350426

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Replying To preddan:  "If ye think LAOIS got to the 2019 all ireland qtr final was all about Brennan you are wrong, at the end of the day they were building for 6 years to get an all important result in the championship with the foundations laid by chedder plunkett plus with a certain amount of luck along the way getting the easier draw with dublin compared to getting limerick. Brennan is a good coach im not saying hes not but the whole thing what laois did that year was all down to him according to media sources. Last year against dublin they played with one or two sweepers and could have beaten clare but didnt, and then just to drop bombshells and walk out like that and expect chedder to come back and pick up the pieces has done no one any good."
What preddan ? Eddie Brennan played a sweeper. You must be mistaken. Derek McGrath was the devil for playing like that.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 13/06/2021 19:57:44    2350431

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Replying To Richardkimble:  "There's nobody here doubting what cheddar has done for laois he's a good man and a great hurling man. Eddie Brennans position was untenable because that pup against Eddie's wishes made that interview that Eddie asked to be completely off the record public he's a no good troublemaker. I'm sure if Eddie got the buy in from everyone he would have drove it on but the usual roadblocks were put in place. Cheddar should not have come back that's my opinion and the opinion of many other people. When he finished his time in laois they were getting very bad defeats regularly and going down hill. Also if rumours are correct and they are just rumors lots of players are losing interest and reports of the few pints are doing the rounds."
Cork finished second-last on the table with a score difference of 27, inferior only to Galway's 44. On the other hand, Waterford finished second on the table with a score difference of -3.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 13/06/2021 20:05:05    2350439

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Replying To Midleton:  "Cork finished second-last on the table with a score difference of 27, inferior only to Galway's 44. On the other hand, Waterford finished second on the table with a score difference of -3."
Well Cork had only five points as Limerick had but as LK won the head to head they were deemed above the Rebels on the table. Tipp and Waterford had 6 points each but the head to head result dictated who finished above the other. What does it matter anyway.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4500 - 14/06/2021 10:06:25    2350651

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Gaillimh Abú

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1066 - 14/06/2021 10:29:04    2350662

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Aren't you getting a bit ahead yourself? Plus being disrespectful to Dublin, Wexford, Antrim and Laois. Both Galway and Kilkenny have to play, and win, Leinster semi-finals before thinking about the final."
Katser is a win up merchant, so please don't fall for her 'guaranteed to wind you up posts'. You would have to say though that Galway do look the strongest team in Leinster at present, although you can never discount Kilkenny as Galway know only too well after last year's Leinster Final. On current form, you would have to say that the last four in this year's hurling championship is shaping up to look like Galway, Limerick, Tipp & Waterford, with Limerick still the clear favourites.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 14/06/2021 11:37:26    2350696

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Cork had only five points as Limerick had but as LK won the head to head they were deemed above the Rebels on the table. Tipp and Waterford had 6 points each but the head to head result dictated who finished above the other. What does it matter anyway."
True, it doesn't matter; I was never suggesting it did. I was just pointing out a few strange-looking things about the table for everyone's amusement, but I see you are not amused!

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 14/06/2021 12:36:49    2350726

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Katser is a win up merchant, so please don't fall for her 'guaranteed to wind you up posts'. You would have to say though that Galway do look the strongest team in Leinster at present, although you can never discount Kilkenny as Galway know only too well after last year's Leinster Final. On current form, you would have to say that the last four in this year's hurling championship is shaping up to look like Galway, Limerick, Tipp & Waterford, with Limerick still the clear favourites."
Hard to argue with most of your post but we would feel we would have a great chance against Kilkenny. Apart from this years league meeting where we fielded a very experimental line up after 2 weeks of no training due to covid we hadnt lost to them 5 or 6 games in a row. Last loss was a 1 point championship loss in Nowlan Park in a game we should've won.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 14/06/2021 12:49:27    2350730

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Replying To Midleton:  "True, it doesn't matter; I was never suggesting it did. I was just pointing out a few strange-looking things about the table for everyone's amusement, but I see you are not amused!"
There was never going to be much between 5 of the teams in your group Middleton.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 14/06/2021 12:50:59    2350731

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard to argue with most of your post but we would feel we would have a great chance against Kilkenny. Apart from this years league meeting where we fielded a very experimental line up after 2 weeks of no training due to covid we hadnt lost to them 5 or 6 games in a row. Last loss was a 1 point championship loss in Nowlan Park in a game we should've won."
Sure, Wexford have every chance of beating Kilkenny in the Leinster semi-final, if they beat Laois. Also, I can understand you putting a positive spin on Wexford's loss to Kilkenny, but to say they went '2 weeks of no training' is disingenuous.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2812 - 14/06/2021 13:40:48    2350772

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard to argue with most of your post but we would feel we would have a great chance against Kilkenny. Apart from this years league meeting where we fielded a very experimental line up after 2 weeks of no training due to covid we hadnt lost to them 5 or 6 games in a row. Last loss was a 1 point championship loss in Nowlan Park in a game we should've won."
"Last loss was a 1 point championship loss in Nowlan Park in a game we should've won."

Should've won? A game of hurling lasts 70 minutes, not 35.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2812 - 14/06/2021 13:46:23    2350778

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So that's a wrap for the league. I don't know where the game is at, but I'd love to see some ex players taking up a referees whistle. They seem to all know how the game should be refereed.
Maybe it would be worth doing as an experiment, get an assessor to rate their performance.
I am so fed up of people complaining about referees. I hate it at club level, I hate it at underage matches, I hate it everywhere. People want to savage a referee for 60-70 minutes and then lament "there's no good referees left". Cause + effect?
Here's an idea - treat a bad refereeing decision the same way you treat a bad miss by a player, or a goal keeping clanger. HUMAN ERROR AND INTERPRETATION.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1845 - 14/06/2021 14:11:21    2350794

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "So that's a wrap for the league. I don't know where the game is at, but I'd love to see some ex players taking up a referees whistle. They seem to all know how the game should be refereed.
Maybe it would be worth doing as an experiment, get an assessor to rate their performance.
I am so fed up of people complaining about referees. I hate it at club level, I hate it at underage matches, I hate it everywhere. People want to savage a referee for 60-70 minutes and then lament "there's no good referees left". Cause + effect?
Here's an idea - treat a bad refereeing decision the same way you treat a bad miss by a player, or a goal keeping clanger. HUMAN ERROR AND INTERPRETATION."
I would agree. Players and managers are the architects of how the game is played today. Not the referees. Legislators are responsible for the rules. The referees just apply them to the best of their ability and make mistakes like players. Players are taken off or dropped when not performing. Apply the safe to the referee when mistakes turn in to constant bad performances.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 14/06/2021 14:50:37    2350815

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Sure, Wexford have every chance of beating Kilkenny in the Leinster semi-final, if they beat Laois. Also, I can understand you putting a positive spin on Wexford's loss to Kilkenny, but to say they went '2 weeks of no training' is disingenuous."
We started half a dozen lads or more who likely wont even get on the pitch IF we make it to the Leinster semi final. Most of your starting 15 that day will also start the Semi.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 14/06/2021 15:18:49    2350827

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Last loss was a 1 point championship loss in Nowlan Park in a game we should've won."

Should've won? A game of hurling lasts 70 minutes, not 35."
Had a couple poor wides in that 2nd half in 2018 Cockney Cat. Should've been furthur ahead than we were when ye mounted your comeback also. I was there. Never felt more strongly about any game in any sport I was ever at that we left it behind us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 14/06/2021 15:20:56    2350829

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Replying To Canuck:  "I would agree. Players and managers are the architects of how the game is played today. Not the referees. Legislators are responsible for the rules. The referees just apply them to the best of their ability and make mistakes like players. Players are taken off or dropped when not performing. Apply the safe to the referee when mistakes turn in to constant bad performances."
Very few intercounty refs turn in poor performances over a whole game never mind several games Canuck. I agree with you though their job isnt helped by the vagueness of the rules especially regarding the tackle

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16029 - 14/06/2021 15:22:48    2350830

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Replying To Viking66:  "Very few intercounty refs turn in poor performances over a whole game never mind several games Canuck. I agree with you though their job isnt helped by the vagueness of the rules especially regarding the tackle"
I would agree if we take off our coloured lens there are not many wrong calls in the fastest field sport and football on the biggest pitch. The refs do need help though, whether that is proper use of technology or a second ref. Everyone agrees that the speed of the game keeps going up and expecting the man in the middle to be as effective in 2021 as 1921 is not realistic.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 14/06/2021 18:15:55    2350891

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Replying To Viking66:  "Very few intercounty refs turn in poor performances over a whole game never mind several games Canuck. I agree with you though their job isnt helped by the vagueness of the rules especially regarding the tackle"
Incidentally if there was a sore chart for the ref I would give James Owens 10 out of 10 yesterday. Like the great John Moloney who don't notice the good ref.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 14/06/2021 18:19:09    2350892

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Replying To Viking66:  "Very few intercounty refs turn in poor performances over a whole game never mind several games Canuck. I agree with you though their job isnt helped by the vagueness of the rules especially regarding the tackle"
I would agree if we take off our coloured lens there are not many wrong calls in the fastest field sport and football on the biggest pitch. The refs do need help though, whether that is proper use of technology or a second ref. Everyone agrees that the speed of the game keeps going up and expecting the man in the middle to be as effective in 2021 as 1921 is not realistic.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 14/06/2021 18:22:43    2350894

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Replying To Midleton:  "True, it doesn't matter; I was never suggesting it did. I was just pointing out a few strange-looking things about the table for everyone's amusement, but I see you are not amused!"
Not amused one way or another. I am just commenting about the fact that whoever wins head to heads getting a higher place when you would have thought Point difference should be the deciding factor.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4500 - 14/06/2021 20:24:02    2350938

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