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Replying To KillingFields: "Do you have proof that these teams have spread covid.
Its completely different with amateur players compared to professional or semi professional. its something you cant comprehend. why is that?" Did you not see the word potential and was that the bases for regulation you had to have spread the virus first ? Your opinion of what an amateur and a professional/semi professional is skewed that I can comprehend.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 07/05/2021 15:02:52
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tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 381 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
Very different situations though.
Rugby players train and dont have public watching, near them.
The matches are behind closed doors. Pubs, hair salons etc all rely on people coming in and travelling to them, are indoors as well.
It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2103 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
you make posts like this all the time instead of actually debating the issues at hand. why is that?
Are you incapable of making any points yourself?
You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
Interested in a lot more than rugby. If you are calling it primitive then it says a lot about how insecure you are" It most certainly is primitive and not a proper sport at all but each to their own. Bit rude to say such things about me, I wish you would desist from this. As the noted philosopher Confucius said 'there is one thing in life one must do when all else fails, and that is to try to be the best you can be when the chips are down'. These are words you and I and everyone here should live by."
What is a proper sport?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 15:26:05
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Replying To KillingFields: "Do you have proof that these teams have spread covid.
Its completely different with amateur players compared to professional or semi professional. its something you cant comprehend. why is that?" I did say potential spreaders but I guess in your world some potential spreaders are different than others. I do comprehend your skewed view of amateur and professional/semi professional athletes related to this virus.
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How do people travel to rugby games?? On horse and cart?? Hair salons had only one person in a time whereas rugby lads could maul in on top of each other??? That does not make sense. All sports should have been treated equally no matter their prestige.
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 383 - 07/05/2021 14:37:56
Rugby players PCR tested. If not cleared to play they dont so its normal and professional and semi professional sports have to be treated differently to amateur sports
Its nothing to do with alleged prestige
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 18:06:30
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Replying To tonguey: " Replying To KillingFields: "That argument is ridiculous because they had no problem closing down pubs, hair salons, restaurants, hotels etc etc. That was their livlihood- so are you saying they should have been left open also?? They went onto the PUP payment- why couldn't these other "professionals" do the same????
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 381 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
Very different situations though.
Rugby players train and dont have public watching, near them.
The matches are behind closed doors. Pubs, hair salons etc all rely on people coming in and travelling to them, are indoors as well.
It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2103 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
you make posts like this all the time instead of actually debating the issues at hand. why is that?
Are you incapable of making any points yourself?
You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
Interested in a lot more than rugby. If you are calling it primitive then it says a lot about how insecure you are" How do people travel to rugby games?? On horse and cart?? Hair salons had only one person in a time whereas rugby lads could maul in on top of each other??? That does not make sense. All sports should have been treated equally no matter their prestige."
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Replying To Canuck: "I did say potential spreaders but I guess in your world some potential spreaders are different than others. I do comprehend your skewed view of amateur and professional/semi professional athletes related to this virus." Its the same reason amateur sports came back much later in other countries compared to professional sports
because the financial realties are completely different and players in a pro squad are not going into schools, dozens of workplaces and then going training
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 19:49:25
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Replying To KillingFields: "Its the same reason amateur sports came back much later in other countries compared to professional sports
because the financial realties are completely different and players in a pro squad are not going into schools, dozens of workplaces and then going training" Great the Government have you here as spokesperson for them
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 07/05/2021 21:39:36
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Replying To KillingFields: "Its the same reason amateur sports came back much later in other countries compared to professional sports
because the financial realties are completely different and players in a pro squad are not going into schools, dozens of workplaces and then going training" These 'elite' people don't need to bring their children to school, to shop for necessities etc? Come off the high bank there now.
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Replying To tonguey: "Great the Government have you here as spokesperson for them" Thats childish and if you cant come up with anything better than that then youve no argument.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 08/05/2021 14:30:01
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Replying To republicofcloone: "These 'elite' people don't need to bring their children to school, to shop for necessities etc? Come off the high bank there now." How many pro athletes have kids? Very few. vast majority dont
They also get a lot of their meals through work.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 08/05/2021 14:31:06
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Replying To republicofcloone: "These 'elite' people don't need to bring their children to school, to shop for necessities etc? Come off the high bank there now." There's few of them.
There were 5 men's rugby teams playing.
Every sport you bring back adds risk.
I do wonder about the League of Ireland being played. Seems worse than Rugby seeing as the are 20 men's teams there.
I guess one of the things to remember is that in the GAA the most important thing to protect is the All Ireland and that was always going to be fine even if we weren't up and running at the same time as the other sports.
It hasn't had a huge impact on us, so what's the problem.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 08/05/2021 14:55:00
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Replying To KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" The point you are consistently missing is that the term "professional" doesn't apply to all of those who were allowed to train for and play their sports after Christmas. A very small number of the Irish women's rugby team are in any way professional. The vast majority are entirely amateur and were described as being so in the national newspapers after the game against France. The difference between being amateur and part time was constantly highlighted as being the principal reason for the gap in the performance levels between the two teams. The Irish women's rugby team are not a "professional" outfit. A very small number of sevens players who are being paid to play doesn't make them professional. Division One of the LOI has a number of teams who are entirely amateur including Cork City, UCD and Wexford Youths. I have no doubt there are more. Athlone fielded a tram of teenagers against Dundalk in last year's FAI Cup semi final. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. Most of the players don't even receive expenses. How are they professional? I was delighted to see all those teams playing. God knows we needed it for our own well-being during the dark days of February and March. Your argument about professional as opposed to elite doesn't stand up to scrutiny
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 08/05/2021 18:21:03
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Replying To Greengrass: " Replying To KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" The point you are consistently missing is that the term "professional" doesn't apply to all of those who were allowed to train for and play their sports after Christmas. A very small number of the Irish women's rugby team are in any way professional. The vast majority are entirely amateur and were described as being so in the national newspapers after the game against France. The difference between being amateur and part time was constantly highlighted as being the principal reason for the gap in the performance levels between the two teams. The Irish women's rugby team are not a "professional" outfit. A very small number of sevens players who are being paid to play doesn't make them professional. Division One of the LOI has a number of teams who are entirely amateur including Cork City, UCD and Wexford Youths. I have no doubt there are more. Athlone fielded a tram of teenagers against Dundalk in last year's FAI Cup semi final. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. Most of the players don't even receive expenses. How are they professional? I was delighted to see all those teams playing. God knows we needed it for our own well-being during the dark days of February and March. Your argument about professional as opposed to elite doesn't stand up to scrutiny"
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 08/05/2021 20:14:53
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Replying To KillingFields: "How many pro athletes have kids? Very few. vast majority dont
They also get a lot of their meals through work." Johnny Sexton the most famous professional sportsman in the country has kids
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Replying To Canuck: " Replying To Greengrass: "[quote=KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" The point you are consistently missing is that the term "professional" doesn't apply to all of those who were allowed to train for and play their sports after Christmas. A very small number of the Irish women's rugby team are in any way professional. The vast majority are entirely amateur and were described as being so in the national newspapers after the game against France. The difference between being amateur and part time was constantly highlighted as being the principal reason for the gap in the performance levels between the two teams. The Irish women's rugby team are not a "professional" outfit. A very small number of sevens players who are being paid to play doesn't make them professional. Division One of the LOI has a number of teams who are entirely amateur including Cork City, UCD and Wexford Youths. I have no doubt there are more. Athlone fielded a tram of teenagers against Dundalk in last year's FAI Cup semi final. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. Most of the players don't even receive expenses. How are they professional? I was delighted to see all those teams playing. God knows we needed it for our own well-being during the dark days of February and March. Your argument about professional as opposed to elite doesn't stand up to scrutiny"
especially when these players, coaches and the officials present in games are tested regularly.
the facts do matter and questions have been answered
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 08/05/2021 21:31:39
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Replying To Canuck: " Replying To Greengrass: "[quote=KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" The point you are consistently missing is that the term "professional" doesn't apply to all of those who were allowed to train for and play their sports after Christmas. A very small number of the Irish women's rugby team are in any way professional. The vast majority are entirely amateur and were described as being so in the national newspapers after the game against France. The difference between being amateur and part time was constantly highlighted as being the principal reason for the gap in the performance levels between the two teams. The Irish women's rugby team are not a "professional" outfit. A very small number of sevens players who are being paid to play doesn't make them professional. Division One of the LOI has a number of teams who are entirely amateur including Cork City, UCD and Wexford Youths. I have no doubt there are more. Athlone fielded a tram of teenagers against Dundalk in last year's FAI Cup semi final. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. Most of the players don't even receive expenses. How are they professional? I was delighted to see all those teams playing. God knows we needed it for our own well-being during the dark days of February and March. Your argument about professional as opposed to elite doesn't stand up to scrutiny"
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 08/05/2021 21:35:42
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I have no problem with people playing their sport Canuck. We needed people playing sport. The definition was not consistently applied. KillingField for whatever reason is trying to say that it was consistently applied but as I said earlier his argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5344 - 08/05/2021 21:35:42
The sports that were allowed to be played were elite, ie top pros and those amateurs competing in olympic level, top level sport like amateur jockeys allowed compete with pros.
the GAA has none of that as none of the players, coaches are professional.
the law was consistently applied except for in your eyes as your primary sport isnt being allowed to be played.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 08/05/2021 22:27:08
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Replying To updwell: "Johnny Sexton the most famous professional sportsman in the country has kids" And he's not even good enough to get onto a supposedly elite British lions team that go on a friendly tour every four years
republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 09/05/2021 10:16:22
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Replying To republicofcloone: "And he's not even good enough to get onto a supposedly elite British lions team that go on a friendly tour every four years" Ignorance seems to one of your strong points.
They are called the British and Irish Lions.
There is nothing "friendly" about Lions' tours.
He's one the best players ever to play the game.
The test matches versus South Africa are being played on three consecutive weeks. He's 35 years old and injury prone. That's why he didn't get picked.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 09/05/2021 10:41:35
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Replying To KillingFields: "I have no problem with people playing their sport Canuck. We needed people playing sport. The definition was not consistently applied. KillingField for whatever reason is trying to say that it was consistently applied but as I said earlier his argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5344 - 08/05/2021 21:35:42
The sports that were allowed to be played were elite, ie top pros and those amateurs competing in olympic level, top level sport like amateur jockeys allowed compete with pros.
the GAA has none of that as none of the players, coaches are professional.
the law was consistently applied except for in your eyes as your primary sport isnt being allowed to be played." You conveniently ignore what was put in front of you. The National Women's League in soccer is completely amateur. The Irish women"s rugby team is almost completely amateur. A lot of the teams in the LOI First Division are completely amateur. They all trained and played from January. You've been found out KillingField. Your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. You are now going round n circles repeating the same argument. You might have convinced your good self that you are right but you're not convincing anyone else.
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