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Replying To GAAK: "Calling other sports "elite" and the GAA "non elite", allowing other games to be played and not the GAA,
is that not enough of an insult? I still think it also involves a cultural aspect, look at other European countries, their individual cultures are being steadily eroded, you can only use loose so much before you have to say its gone, eg. putting tiny numbers of people out of churches when the mega stores are open, the GAA is Irelands biggest sport and is branded worldwide non elite, Wake Up please" The original terms were professional sport and elite. The gaa at inter county level was allowed be played but many other amateur athletes were not allowed continue to train or play. Now that is unfair though still not discriminatory.
The GAA was allowed play late last year and isnt now because conditions changed.
The 'irish' culture isnt being eroded. Its evolving as more people have experienced other places and more people from other countries and cultures have came here to live, study and work and thats a good thing
The GAA isnt a sport. Its the largest sporting organisation but it isnt being branded worldwide as non elite.
Most countries have stopped or had stopped all sport to counter covid. Ireland is no different
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 05/05/2021 20:06:33
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Replying To GAAK: "Calling other sports "elite" and the GAA "non elite", allowing other games to be played and not the GAA,
is that not enough of an insult? I still think it also involves a cultural aspect, look at other European countries, their individual cultures are being steadily eroded, you can only use loose so much before you have to say its gone, eg. putting tiny numbers of people out of churches when the mega stores are open, the GAA is Irelands biggest sport and is branded worldwide non elite, Wake Up please" It's an insult if your very sensitive.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 05/05/2021 20:16:48
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Replying To KillingFields: "Well the language used was professional and elite. The GAA was about only sport that isnt professional so was the only sport under elite name tag.
So there wasnt any discrimination. GAA was lucky the Government made the 'elite' exception last year to allow championship take place." Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
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Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 06/05/2021 10:37:39
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Replying To KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" One thing for sure is amateurs playing six nations rugby isn't an elite sport either, yet they managed to get the permission slip. Why was this?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 06/05/2021 11:06:47
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Replying To KillingFields: "Could you rephrase the point you are trying to make please . What you are trying to say is not clear.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5341 - 05/05/2021 23:20:52
The terms used originally about sports able to play under level 5 restrictions was 'elite' and 'professional'
It was changed to professional.
Its not discrimination that GAA isnt allowed be played
The GAA was very lucky it was allowed be played before christmas when many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' werent when they could be played safely etc even with restrictions" If sports that were "elite" were not allowed before Christmas may I ask why not?? You stated here that "elite" or "professional" were allowed before Christmas but say in same piece some sports that were elite were not allowed to be played. Surely you can see the contradiction there in your argument. If these "many other sports that can be considered top level or 'elite' " were not allowed even though "elite" sports were allowed, well they obviously were not elite enough despite what you may think.
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 06/05/2021 11:42:40
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My perception was that Elite was just used as a very quick shorthand.
GAA wasn't included it's no big deal, it's not a slight on the association or really any sort of meaningful descriptor going forward.
There were some sports they went with, some they didn't. They wanted to do what they could as much as possible but they can't do everything.
There was a meaningful change between the end of last year and start of this year with the emergence of some more virulent strains.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 06/05/2021 13:45:48
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Replying To Whammo86: "My perception was that Elite was just used as a very quick shorthand.
GAA wasn't included it's no big deal, it's not a slight on the association or really any sort of meaningful descriptor going forward.
There were some sports they went with, some they didn't. They wanted to do what they could as much as possible but they can't do everything.
There was a meaningful change between the end of last year and start of this year with the emergence of some more virulent strains." Whammo86 it is a big deal when you treat some athletes different than others for very flawed reasoning. It removes trust and credibility. If certain activities pose a risk then close everyone down. Saying on one hand that every case has to be avoided and then saying that well there are less of them so the reduced risk is okay. That is talking from both sides of your mouth. Trying to put up the professional organizational argument when numbers of players and whole teams are not professional but given the go ahead is a lie. If like you said that there was a meaningful change with new strains, is that not around the time some sports were given the green light. You would imagine it should be the other way around.
I never objected to any regulations but at the same time did not up up the river in a snow boat. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine and that is fine.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 06/05/2021 22:00:27
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Replying To Canuck: "Whammo86 it is a big deal when you treat some athletes different than others for very flawed reasoning. It removes trust and credibility. If certain activities pose a risk then close everyone down. Saying on one hand that every case has to be avoided and then saying that well there are less of them so the reduced risk is okay. That is talking from both sides of your mouth. Trying to put up the professional organizational argument when numbers of players and whole teams are not professional but given the go ahead is a lie. If like you said that there was a meaningful change with new strains, is that not around the time some sports were given the green light. You would imagine it should be the other way around.
I never objected to any regulations but at the same time did not up up the river in a snow boat. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine and that is fine." It isnt a big deal and the reasoning isnt flawed.
The professional teams by stopping them you are completely halting people's livelihoods which is completely different to stopping a sport where its peoples past time.
While in case of some soccer players/teams they are not all full professionals but some/most are or are at least fully pro during the soccer season which is very different to the GAA where none are pros
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 12:14:30
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt a big deal and the reasoning isnt flawed.
The professional teams by stopping them you are completely halting people's livelihoods which is completely different to stopping a sport where its peoples past time.
While in case of some soccer players/teams they are not all full professionals but some/most are or are at least fully pro during the soccer season which is very different to the GAA where none are pros" That argument is ridiculous because they had no problem closing down pubs, hair salons, restaurants, hotels etc etc. That was their livlihood- so are you saying they should have been left open also?? They went onto the PUP payment- why couldn't these other "professionals" do the same????
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
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It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
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Replying To Canuck: "Whammo86 it is a big deal when you treat some athletes different than others for very flawed reasoning. It removes trust and credibility. If certain activities pose a risk then close everyone down. Saying on one hand that every case has to be avoided and then saying that well there are less of them so the reduced risk is okay. That is talking from both sides of your mouth. Trying to put up the professional organizational argument when numbers of players and whole teams are not professional but given the go ahead is a lie. If like you said that there was a meaningful change with new strains, is that not around the time some sports were given the green light. You would imagine it should be the other way around.
I never objected to any regulations but at the same time did not up up the river in a snow boat. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine and that is fine." Physical contacts just needed to be reduced on a general level and were restricted.
If you're asking me was every restriction always rational, consistent and logical I'd agree that it definitely wasn't. Broadly speaking I'd criticise the government's approach. It wasn't really methodical, it was very much a sledgehammer approach. They weren't collecting data on how people thought they contracted the disease to create a more targeted effective response.
Having said all that sport and what got played and what didn't go ahead was of a very minor concern in the grand scheme of things. I actually think it right that not much time was spent on the sports decisions.
There were and are way more important factors for the government to deal with.
Cutting out the majority of sporting activities was fine and drip feeding in a few exceptions was fine too.
We shouldn't take offence that we were overlooked, the GAA is in such a healthy state and has a privileged position in Ireland in most instances that we don't need to be paranoid over 1 perceived slight it what were difficult circumstances.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 07/05/2021 13:26:53
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt a big deal and the reasoning isnt flawed.
The professional teams by stopping them you are completely halting people's livelihoods which is completely different to stopping a sport where its peoples past time.
While in case of some soccer players/teams they are not all full professionals but some/most are or are at least fully pro during the soccer season which is very different to the GAA where none are pros" You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
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That argument is ridiculous because they had no problem closing down pubs, hair salons, restaurants, hotels etc etc. That was their livlihood- so are you saying they should have been left open also?? They went onto the PUP payment- why couldn't these other "professionals" do the same????
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 381 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
Very different situations though.
Rugby players train and dont have public watching, near them.
The matches are behind closed doors. Pubs, hair salons etc all rely on people coming in and travelling to them, are indoors as well.
It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2103 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
you make posts like this all the time instead of actually debating the issues at hand. why is that?
Are you incapable of making any points yourself?
You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
Interested in a lot more than rugby. If you are calling it primitive then it says a lot about how insecure you are
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 14:13:07
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Replying To Canuck: "Whammo86 it is a big deal when you treat some athletes different than others for very flawed reasoning. It removes trust and credibility. If certain activities pose a risk then close everyone down. Saying on one hand that every case has to be avoided and then saying that well there are less of them so the reduced risk is okay. That is talking from both sides of your mouth. Trying to put up the professional organizational argument when numbers of players and whole teams are not professional but given the go ahead is a lie. If like you said that there was a meaningful change with new strains, is that not around the time some sports were given the green light. You would imagine it should be the other way around.
I never objected to any regulations but at the same time did not up up the river in a snow boat. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine and that is fine." By the way you put words into my mouth there that I never said. Those arguments are more being presented by killing fields.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 07/05/2021 14:14:15
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt a big deal and the reasoning isnt flawed.
The professional teams by stopping them you are completely halting people's livelihoods which is completely different to stopping a sport where its peoples past time.
While in case of some soccer players/teams they are not all full professionals but some/most are or are at least fully pro during the soccer season which is very different to the GAA where none are pros" There you go again "some/most". The rest can potentially spread the virus and a blind eye will be turned.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 07/05/2021 14:17:30
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Replying To Canuck: "There you go again "some/most". The rest can potentially spread the virus and a blind eye will be turned." Do you have proof that these teams have spread covid.
Its completely different with amateur players compared to professional or semi professional. its something you cant comprehend. why is that?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 07/05/2021 14:34:02
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Replying To KillingFields: "That argument is ridiculous because they had no problem closing down pubs, hair salons, restaurants, hotels etc etc. That was their livlihood- so are you saying they should have been left open also?? They went onto the PUP payment- why couldn't these other "professionals" do the same????
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 381 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
Very different situations though.
Rugby players train and dont have public watching, near them.
The matches are behind closed doors. Pubs, hair salons etc all rely on people coming in and travelling to them, are indoors as well.
It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2103 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
you make posts like this all the time instead of actually debating the issues at hand. why is that?
Are you incapable of making any points yourself?
You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
Interested in a lot more than rugby. If you are calling it primitive then it says a lot about how insecure you are" How do people travel to rugby games?? On horse and cart?? Hair salons had only one person in a time whereas rugby lads could maul in on top of each other??? That does not make sense. All sports should have been treated equally no matter their prestige.
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the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 07/05/2021 14:44:46
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Replying To KillingFields: "That argument is ridiculous because they had no problem closing down pubs, hair salons, restaurants, hotels etc etc. That was their livlihood- so are you saying they should have been left open also?? They went onto the PUP payment- why couldn't these other "professionals" do the same????
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 381 - 07/05/2021 12:34:29
Very different situations though.
Rugby players train and dont have public watching, near them.
The matches are behind closed doors. Pubs, hair salons etc all rely on people coming in and travelling to them, are indoors as well.
It sounds to me like Limerick have given up this year. Judging by what Killingfields is posting anyway.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2103 - 07/05/2021 12:45:49
you make posts like this all the time instead of actually debating the issues at hand. why is that?
Are you incapable of making any points yourself?
You only seem interested in the primitive sport of rugby, why is this please?
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 07/05/2021 13:55:13
Interested in a lot more than rugby. If you are calling it primitive then it says a lot about how insecure you are" It most certainly is primitive and not a proper sport at all but each to their own. Bit rude to say such things about me, I wish you would desist from this. As the noted philosopher Confucius said 'there is one thing in life one must do when all else fails, and that is to try to be the best you can be when the chips are down'. These are words you and I and everyone here should live by.
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 07/05/2021 14:47:01
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