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At first sight it looks very lobsided.
The north section it could be argued has the best 4 teams in the division.
Saying that I think it will be Carlow and Louth both promoted. No London this year.

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 29/04/2021 15:29:56    2339351

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Fancy Antrim.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1139 - 29/04/2021 17:02:35    2339376

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Replying To Blackbog:  "At first sight it looks very lobsided.
The north section it could be argued has the best 4 teams in the division.
Saying that I think it will be Carlow and Louth both promoted. No London this year."
I think Louth is a no brainer to top the group, after that it's between Carlow and Wexford for second spot, in that case I'll go with Louth and Carlow.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 29/04/2021 19:41:08    2339403

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Replying To supersub15:  "I think Louth is a no brainer to top the group, after that it's between Carlow and Wexford for second spot, in that case I'll go with Louth and Carlow."
Louth won 1 game from 8 in 2020 between league and championship so wouldn't be calling them a no brainer even with Harte involved, both groups are wide open in my opinion.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 29/04/2021 20:08:15    2339409

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Replying To wexico15:  "Louth won 1 game from 8 in 2020 between league and championship so wouldn't be calling them a no brainer even with Harte involved, both groups are wide open in my opinion."
Fair point.
Maybe we are getting carried away with Harte factor
My own county will be on the mix. It seems Niall Carew is having big effect on what is a very experienced panel with some exciting new talent in there as well.

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 30/04/2021 09:23:02    2339464

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Fair point.
Maybe we are getting carried away with Harte factor
My own county will be on the mix. It seems Niall Carew is having big effect on what is a very experienced panel with some exciting new talent in there as well."
If last years few games that Carew oversaw are anything to go by, then yes I think we will have a better more attack orientated game plan which will give us a better chance of winning games.
He also seems willing to give players a chance to prove themselves and this will be very important.

The fact that we have quite a few players hovering around or above the 30 mark will add experience which should prove itself in tight games. Overall looking forward to the teams performances this year in league and championship.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 30/04/2021 12:32:19    2339495

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Replying To wexico15:  "Louth won 1 game from 8 in 2020 between league and championship so wouldn't be calling them a no brainer even with Harte involved, both groups are wide open in my opinion."
I will accept my crystal ball is no more accurate than anyone else's, my gut feeling is that Louth are fancied favorites as of now, you are correct in your analysis of Louth, however I think Louth have been playing frustrated football, they had it but couldn't get it together on the field, now they have Mickey Harte in charge who will put that right.

Your own beloved Wexford were in a similar situation a few year back until Jason Ryan stepped in he waived his magic wand, low and behold Wexford and Ryan tore up the form book and they started playing national football dismissing teams at the highest level at their ease. Wexford have not been setting the football world on fire in recent times.

Carlow have a mix of youth and experience in key positions, the players bought into Niall Carew as their manager and that to me is important, for those reasons I'm saying Louth and Carlow for promotion.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 30/04/2021 16:32:02    2339533

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Replying To wexico15:  "Louth won 1 game from 8 in 2020 between league and championship so wouldn't be calling them a no brainer even with Harte involved, both groups are wide open in my opinion."
Last year was awful for us but I think there was some extenuating circumstances around our record. In 2019, we drew with Westmeath in the final round and had we won that game, we were in division 2, last year some of that team didn't commit and the rumours were that the squad wasn't fully fit. This year we should have our strongest possible team and the best manager we could have, but it's completely up in the air, who will be promoted. It's crazy that even if you top your group you aren't promoted, so conceivably In one group you could win all three games and lose a semi final to a team that got there by winning one game.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 03/05/2021 11:40:28    2339769

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I think my browser is acting up, cos I did a search for the word Leitrim on this page and it said it wasn't there.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 09/05/2021 11:40:26    2340677

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I would love to see Leitrim getting promoted. Best of luck for the year ahead

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 09/05/2021 12:51:00    2340691

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "I think my browser is acting up, cos I did a search for the word Leitrim on this page and it said it wasn't there."
I have to say i have a soft spot for Leitrim also.
Had a a great night in Carpenters after chamionship game back in 2017.
The Leitrim supporters were great company

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 09/05/2021 16:46:30    2340759

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Replying To PK57:  "Last year was awful for us but I think there was some extenuating circumstances around our record. In 2019, we drew with Westmeath in the final round and had we won that game, we were in division 2, last year some of that team didn't commit and the rumours were that the squad wasn't fully fit. This year we should have our strongest possible team and the best manager we could have, but it's completely up in the air, who will be promoted. It's crazy that even if you top your group you aren't promoted, so conceivably In one group you could win all three games and lose a semi final to a team that got there by winning one game."
You are right PK. It's a farcical situation that a team could win 3 matches and come up against a team in the semi-final that only won 1 match and lose it and not get promoted. A better solution would be:

Division 1:
Top two in North and South play each other in the semi-finals. 1 v 2 and 2 v 1. Winners of both semi's play each other in the final. Winner in the final is Division 1 Champions.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 2.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 2.

Division 2:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 1 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 2.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 1.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 3.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 3.

Division 3:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 2 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 3.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 2.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 4.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 4.

Division 4:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 3 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 4.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 3.

Third and fourth in North and South play each other in the Division 4 shield semi-finals with 3 v 4 and 4 v 3 with the winners playing each other in the Division 4 shield final.

By the way PK I hope you and the family are keeping well. It's a big year for Mickey Harte and the Wee County. An Lu Abu!

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 782 - 10/05/2021 21:05:31    2341000

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Replying To Ollie2:  "You are right PK. It's a farcical situation that a team could win 3 matches and come up against a team in the semi-final that only won 1 match and lose it and not get promoted. A better solution would be:

Division 1:
Top two in North and South play each other in the semi-finals. 1 v 2 and 2 v 1. Winners of both semi's play each other in the final. Winner in the final is Division 1 Champions.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 2.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 2.

Division 2:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 1 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 2.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 1.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 3.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 3.

Division 3:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 2 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 3.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 2.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 4.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 4.

Division 4:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 3 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 4.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 3.

Third and fourth in North and South play each other in the Division 4 shield semi-finals with 3 v 4 and 4 v 3 with the winners playing each other in the Division 4 shield final.

By the way PK I hope you and the family are keeping well. It's a big year for Mickey Harte and the Wee County. An Lu Abu!"
Interesting! Three up, three down though, so even if it weren't too late to change it, I doubt there would have been an appetite for it.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 10/05/2021 23:09:56    2341027

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Replying To Ollie2:  "You are right PK. It's a farcical situation that a team could win 3 matches and come up against a team in the semi-final that only won 1 match and lose it and not get promoted. A better solution would be:

Division 1:
Top two in North and South play each other in the semi-finals. 1 v 2 and 2 v 1. Winners of both semi's play each other in the final. Winner in the final is Division 1 Champions.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 2.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 2.

Division 2:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 1 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 2.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 1.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 3.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 3.

Division 3:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 2 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 3.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 2.

Third in North and South play each other in a relegation play-off with the loser getting relegated to Division 4.

Fourth in North and South are relegated to Division 4.

Division 4:
Top team in North and South are both promoted to Division 3 and play each other in the final. The winners win Division 4.

The second team in North and South play each other in a promotion play-off with the winner getting promoted to Division 3.

Third and fourth in North and South play each other in the Division 4 shield semi-finals with 3 v 4 and 4 v 3 with the winners playing each other in the Division 4 shield final.

By the way PK I hope you and the family are keeping well. It's a big year for Mickey Harte and the Wee County. An Lu Abu!"
According to the GAAs website the following is what is happening - where did you get this from?

2021 Allianz Football League structure

The Allianz Football League will run from the weekend of May 15/16 to the weekend of June 19/20 with Divisions split into North and South as originally planned in December.

Four teams will be in each group based on geography with three Round Robin games per team. The top two in each divisional group will advance to the league semi-finals followed by a league final.

The bottom two in each divisional group will play relegation semi-finals with the two losers of those matches relegated. The bottom teams in Division 4 will play a Shield semi-final and final.

League finals will only be played on June 19/20 if counties involved are not playing in the championship the following weekend. If they are, then joint winners will be declared for Division 1 and joint winners and promotion for Divisions 2, 3, and 4.

London will not be participating in the 2021 Allianz Football League.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 11/05/2021 17:01:37    2341141

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Overall:
Winners: Louth
Runners up: Antrim

This weeks predictions:
Louth v Antrim..............Louth
Waterford v Carlow........Carlow
Sligo v Leitrim.................Sligo

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 782 - 13/05/2021 11:03:41    2341428

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Overall:
Winners: Louth
Runners up: Antrim

This weeks predictions:
Louth v Antrim..............Louth
Waterford v Carlow........Carlow
Sligo v Leitrim.................Sligo"
Overall winners Louth
Runners up Carlow

Louth v Antrim - draw
Carlow v Waterford - Carlow by 2
Sligo v Leitrim - Leitrim by 3

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 13/05/2021 11:39:26    2341438

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Overall winners Louth
Runners up Carlow

Louth v Antrim - draw
Carlow v Waterford - Carlow by 2
Sligo v Leitrim - Leitrim by 3"
Are you on for a challenge Ollie
2 points for right prediction
1 bonus for right margin of win loss and of course a draw
Any one else want to join

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 13/05/2021 11:54:08    2341442

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Leitrim should get promoted i think. Terry Hyland is in his third year now with largely the same squad throughout those years. All other managers on our side are in their first year with very limited time with their squads. The work Leitrim have put in with Terry should stand to them especially with gaining promotion, being in division three last year, beating Louth last year along the way and narowlly missing out on staying up losing to Tipperary by two points on the final day.

We should beat Sligo this weekend. Hopefully we can do it again

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 644 - 13/05/2021 11:55:28    2341443

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "Leitrim should get promoted i think. Terry Hyland is in his third year now with largely the same squad throughout those years. All other managers on our side are in their first year with very limited time with their squads. The work Leitrim have put in with Terry should stand to them especially with gaining promotion, being in division three last year, beating Louth last year along the way and narowlly missing out on staying up losing to Tipperary by two points on the final day.

We should beat Sligo this weekend. Hopefully we can do it again"
In a local Derby, anything could happen. Sligo always seem to have the bob of Leitrim. When did Leitrim last beat Sligo, in league or championship? It could very well happen on the weekend.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 13/05/2021 13:30:05    2341465

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Are you on for a challenge Ollie
2 points for right prediction
1 bonus for right margin of win loss and of course a draw
Any one else want to join"
Blacklog just for this division?

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 782 - 13/05/2021 13:40:02    2341467

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