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Replying To carlowman:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!

Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change

How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?

How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?

Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.

How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?

Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?

Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?"
So what do you propose??? Being negative with everything anyone proposes won't solve much so please desist. At least he is trying- ok for Limerick when they have JP backing them. Some of us not so lucky"
i suggested several things there and countered what was said in the OP."]Like what?? Enlighten us all- we await your response"]So delighted you await enlightenment !!
Rugby is and has made serious inroads into sec schools and in the main has not been challenged. Look at the number of sec schools who have taken up rugby. Then look at the no of schools who have taken up GAA. Very few traditional sec rugby schools have taken up GAA. While the no of schools right around the country taking up the oval ball has increased substantially. Look at the sec schools websites.
What supports have been given to these schools who are trying to promote GAA ? Lok at your own club and ask that question. The same applies to primary schools. We have all fallen into the trap of EXOECTING the local school to have our gMes front and foremost.
Under 17 to 20 is a huge age differential that needs to be replaced hy under 19 only.
Managers getting paid... plenty of managers outside those counties who expect success are getting in excess.of 100,000.
Co boards then hide the cost and spread it out over other expenditures.
Club managers are getting in excess of 120 per night. They even hold back every year committing until they see what clubs are out there looking for managers. That is the real world.
When the GAA tried to investigate few years ago they came up against a stone wall silence.
Games programmes will not be real for players until clubs accept leagues without their co players. Counties must speed up that acceptance and put in place leagues.
The winning mentality has taken over and is letting us down. One of the key reasons why youngsters leave sport is because of the lack of fun and the predominace of a winning mentality. The young like to win but the adult feels he has to win.
And yes, the GAA can change this especially for the young.
Far too much emphasis by the media and perpetuated by the GAA on winning instead of looking at participating in the sport. Plenty of valid statistics to back what I am saying and this can be changed.
All weather floodlit pitches are essential for progress and to compete with other field sports.
The GAA will probably agree to subsidising Casement to what amount ? Other co grounds are in a similar situation, eg. St Conleths Park... i say Leave them be and put the monies into the exact same pitches we have in Admaston- full all weather pitches without our native grass.
Forget this incessant expenditure on increasing the capacities of co grounds for one or 2 games in the year while not ensuring enough pitches all year round for floodlit games that are a thing of the present not to mind the future.
Academies are settling on minding the few who show desire and skills at a certain age but leaving out hundreds. If a lad misses out on the academy, what does he do ? In my experience he goes somewhere else. And what happens the academy chap... does he stay at the game ?
Is he allowed to play with his club ? In some instances he is not allowed play thus creating a chasm between himself and the club player and invariably he will se8 this hi and give up or go to another sport.
Academies look great but in my view having watched them closely, are not working. Its an honest effort at improving the skill levels teamwork etc but they are siphoning off the best at a given time often in crude ways and not going back to the others and encouraging the masses to improve.
The GAA has made a great statement in having a 2 stage year, splitting club and county. It now has the best opportunity ever in focusing the emphasis on the club. And within the club ensuring that the each club grows its numbers without interference from academies and inter County managers.
As for referees, what county has actually gone out there and asked specific people to be referees, encouraged them to attend a local course, given them gear, and given them decent critical assistance over a given period to give them the confidence and know how to be good referees?
Referees have been put up with but not given supports.
Has anybody critiqued my view on why players must now choose one sport over another and we almost universally believe the GAA that its impossible for players to play both... its not right that this is what we accept. Its not what the GAA is about. All tied in of course with our 'having to win'.
We have a great organisation, that has given so much joy to so many.
But its far from perfect and has gone down pathways that have become byways and these need to be challenges so that the essence of the GAA remains as its heart and soul."]This is a good post. Plenty of good ideas. I suggest you send it on to the GAA Hq. Their email is [email protected] or alternatively [email protected]

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 08/05/2021 11:59:52    2340518

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Replying To Convert2:  "Perhaps the biggest issue with Gaelic football now is the end product. It is terrible to watch as a spectator now and this is showing with attendances and dis-interest. As a former player and trainer I am not alone in this view. The negativity/cynicalism in the playing of the game is a turn off, no wonder other sports particularly rugby is gaining traction in previous gaa heartlands and schools.

We train kids up to minor to express themselves, and then when they turn adult they are reined in playing a systems game based on percentages. Backing oneself or having a go replaced with playing it safe.
Maybe that's unfair to teams and managers but this has been waterfalling down from adult to underage team for some time now. It's how much distance you've travelled in training or a game on GPS as opposed to what skills have been worked on, the bread and butter stuff. When players are let play and encouraged to express themselves and show their skill then there no better game to watch.

I am old school and a lot will say the game has moved so suck it up, it has but is it for the better?"
It's probably not for the better.

The same issues have happened to other sports though too.

In soccer most games become a game of strong team trying to break down a weaker team. A good weaker team might be good at counter attacking like Wolves or good at set pieces like Burnley but so many soccer matches are rubbish too.

Even Man United (or Spurs) v Liverpool (or City) in recent years has seen United look to concede possession and focus on counter attacking.

In rugby Ireland's relative success under Schmidt was built on a tight percentages based game. Munster have had a history of that too with Leinster maybe being a bit more expansive than that.

So I don't really think it's the style of play that is turning people off. I do get your point though that there are a lot of rubbish football matches.

When you get 2 good teams up against one another, the games can be fantastic.

So I think the tournament structure can be make the GAA look worse than it really is.

There's not enough games between the top teams.

Weaker but evenly matched teams don't always open up either, although I think things have gotten a little bit better in that regard in the last 5 years.

The excitement for me of the average game is better than 10 years ago but worse than 20 years ago and a lot worse than 30 years ago. The standards and decision making are a lot better though than at any time.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4237 - 08/05/2021 12:16:02    2340524

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=essmac:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose."
The GAA is the best thing about Ireland."
God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective. "]Replying To supersub15: "GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;"

More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182

Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.

Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognised by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonising yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,

"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."

There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn."]When all else fails you can always mention Africa or the UK , isn't that it supersub15. Soccer/Football is a sport, the FAI is an organization, same as Gaelic games are sports and the GAA is an organization. Sorry to disappoint you, but no the GAA do not own Gaelic games. That's your free lesson for today supersub15.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/05/2021 13:50:29    2340536

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Rugby is and has made serious inroads into sec schools and in the main has not been challenged. Look at the number of sec schools who have taken up rugby. Then look at the no of schools who have taken up GAA. Very few traditional sec rugby schools have taken up GAA. While the no of schools right around the country taking up the oval ball has increased substantially. Look at the sec schools websites.
What supports have been given to these schools who are trying to promote GAA ? Lok at your own club and ask that question. The same applies to primary schools. We have all fallen into the trap of EXOECTING the local school to have our gMes front and foremost.
Under 17 to 20 is a huge age differential that needs to be replaced hy under 19 only.
Managers getting paid... plenty of managers outside those counties who expect success are getting in excess.of 100,000.
Co boards then hide the cost and spread it out over other expenditures.
Club managers are getting in excess of 120 per night. They even hold back every year committing until they see what clubs are out there looking for managers. That is the real world.
When the GAA tried to investigate few years ago they came up against a stone wall silence.
Games programmes will not be real for players until clubs accept leagues without their co players. Counties must speed up that acceptance and put in place leagues.
The winning mentality has taken over and is letting us down. One of the key reasons why youngsters leave sport is because of the lack of fun and the predominace of a winning mentality. The young like to win but the adult feels he has to win.
And yes, the GAA can change this especially for the young.
Far too much emphasis by the media and perpetuated by the GAA on winning instead of looking at participating in the sport. Plenty of valid statistics to back what I am saying and this can be changed.
All weather floodlit pitches are essential for progress and to compete with other field sports.
The GAA will probably agree to subsidising Casement to what amount ? Other co grounds are in a similar situation, eg. St Conleths Park... i say Leave them be and put the monies into the exact same pitches we have in Admaston- full all weather pitches without our native grass.
Forget this incessant expenditure on increasing the capacities of co grounds for one or 2 games in the year while not ensuring enough pitches all year round for floodlit games that are a thing of the present not to mind the future.
Academies are settling on minding the few who show desire and skills at a certain age but leaving out hundreds. If a lad misses out on the academy, what does he do ? In my experience he goes somewhere else. And what happens the academy chap... does he stay at the game ?
Is he allowed to play with his club ? In some instances he is not allowed play thus creating a chasm between himself and the club player and invariably he will se8 this hi and give up or go to another sport.
Academies look great but in my view having watched them closely, are not working. Its an honest effort at improving the skill levels teamwork etc but they are siphoning off the best at a given time often in crude ways and not going back to the others and encouraging the masses to improve.
The GAA has made a great statement in having a 2 stage year, splitting club and county. It now has the best opportunity ever in focusing the emphasis on the club. And within the club ensuring that the each club grows its numbers without interference from academies and inter County managers.
As for referees, what county has actually gone out there and asked specific people to be referees, encouraged them to attend a local course, given them gear, and given them decent critical assistance over a given period to give them the confidence and know how to be good referees?
Referees have been put up with but not given supports.
Has anybody critiqued my view on why players must now choose one sport over another and we almost universally believe the GAA that its impossible for players to play both... its not right that this is what we accept. Its not what the GAA is about. All tied in of course with our 'having to win'.
We have a great organisation, that has given so much joy to so many.
But its far from perfect and has gone down pathways that have become byways and these need to be challenges so that the essence of the GAA remains as its heart and soul."]This is a good post. Plenty of good ideas. I suggest you send it on to the GAA Hq. Their email is [email protected] or alternatively [email protected]
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2107 - 08/05/2021 11:59:52
A fair amount of the traditional rugby schools play gaelic or hurling in some form.
Well obviously the church of ireland schools wont for obvious reasons(which is wesley, kings hosp, kilkenny, few others) but cistercian roscrea do. As do Rock, Terenure, clongowes, belvedere,

under 17 to 20 is as big a gap in age as minor was to under 21 and with many in clubs required to play junior/senior as well as drop off rate then the extra year is necessary.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 08/05/2021 14:37:18    2340542

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=essmac:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose."
The GAA is the best thing about Ireland."
God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective. "]Replying To supersub15: "GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;"

More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182

Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.

Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognised by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonising yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,

"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."

There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn."]When all else fails you can always mention Africa or the UK , isn't that it supersub15. Soccer/Football is a sport, the FAI is an organization, same as Gaelic games are sports and the GAA is an organization. Sorry to disappoint you, but no the GAA do not own Gaelic games. That's your free lesson for today supersub15. "]God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective. "]Replying To supersub15: "GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;"

More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182

Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.

Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognized by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonizing yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,

"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."

There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn."]When all else fails you can always mention Africa or the UK , isn't that it supersub15. Soccer/Football is a sport, the FAI is an organization, same as Gaelic games are sports and the GAA is an organization. Sorry to disappoint you, but no the GAA do not own Gaelic games. That's your free lesson for today supersub15.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 929 - 08/05/2021 13:50:29 2340536

We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association"

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 08/05/2021 18:49:40    2340584

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=essmac:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose."
The GAA is the best thing about Ireland."
God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective. "]Replying To supersub15: "GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;"

More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182

Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.

Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognised by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonising yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,

"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."

There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn."]When all else fails you can always mention Africa or the UK , isn't that it supersub15. Soccer/Football is a sport, the FAI is an organization, same as Gaelic games are sports and the GAA is an organization. Sorry to disappoint you, but no the GAA do not own Gaelic games. That's your free lesson for today supersub15. "]God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective. "]Replying To supersub15: "GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;"

More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182

Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.

Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognized by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonizing yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,

"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."

There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn."]When all else fails you can always mention Africa or the UK , isn't that it supersub15. Soccer/Football is a sport, the FAI is an organization, same as Gaelic games are sports and the GAA is an organization. Sorry to disappoint you, but no the GAA do not own Gaelic games. That's your free lesson for today supersub15.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 929 - 08/05/2021 13:50:29 2340536

We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""]You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08    2340619

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We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""]You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 09/05/2021 11:18:18    2340670

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Replying To supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."]Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 09/05/2021 11:42:50    2340680

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]I agree. There should be quite a bit more innovation. In this pandemic year, there is a path of least resistence to try ANY alternative AI SFC structure other than the one chosen - but a LITTLE courage does not exist - as one former US President put it - "there is nothing to fear, but FEAR itself !"

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 09/05/2021 16:58:14    2340762

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/05/2021 10:38:25    2340873

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Replying To omahant:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]I agree. There should be quite a bit more innovation. In this pandemic year, there is a path of least resistence to try ANY alternative AI SFC structure other than the one chosen - but a LITTLE courage does not exist - as one former US President put it - "there is nothing to fear, but FEAR itself !""]I think that's a little harsh to be fair.

The association has recently made some large changes around the calendar and championship formats.

Given the pandemic the onus just has to be on getting a competition together.

Having a regionalised championship moving onto the All Ireland makes perfect sense for this year.

They'll reevaluate then going forward I'd imagine.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4237 - 10/05/2021 11:07:31    2340883

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 10/05/2021 11:27:19    2340889

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/05/2021 12:09:25    2340896

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 10/05/2021 12:33:42    2340901

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question."]As is mine and you refuse to answer it as has been your usual modus operandi on this site- criticise everything, answer no questions (yet you have the gall to ask me to answer your ridiculous question) offer no solutions and deflect deflect deflect. Grow up my dear man, grow up!!

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/05/2021 12:43:32    2340905

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question."]As is mine and you refuse to answer it as has been your usual modus operandi on this site- criticise everything, answer no questions (yet you have the gall to ask me to answer your ridiculous question) offer no solutions and deflect deflect deflect. Grow up my dear man, grow up!!"]My viewpoint is clear, the Championship structure is completely outdated and needs radical reform but I have zero confidence that the GAA are capable or willing to make such reforms. Now, what's your viewpoint ?

Do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 10/05/2021 12:51:40    2340906

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question."]As is mine and you refuse to answer it as has been your usual modus operandi on this site- criticise everything, answer no questions (yet you have the gall to ask me to answer your ridiculous question) offer no solutions and deflect deflect deflect. Grow up my dear man, grow up!!"]My viewpoint is clear, the Championship structure is completely outdated and needs radical reform but I have zero confidence that the GAA are capable or willing to make such reforms. Now, what's your viewpoint ?

Do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?"]To be quite honest with you I don't care what your viewpoint is- never have and never will. I asked you a simple question why don't you get involved to help sort out the problems with the GAA and you have refused to answer it. So unless you answer that question I will not answer yours. Thank you,

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/05/2021 13:07:27    2340908

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question."]As is mine and you refuse to answer it as has been your usual modus operandi on this site- criticise everything, answer no questions (yet you have the gall to ask me to answer your ridiculous question) offer no solutions and deflect deflect deflect. Grow up my dear man, grow up!!"]My viewpoint is clear, the Championship structure is completely outdated and needs radical reform but I have zero confidence that the GAA are capable or willing to make such reforms. Now, what's your viewpoint ?

Do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?"]To be quite honest with you I don't care what your viewpoint is- never have and never will. I asked you a simple question why don't you get involved to help sort out the problems with the GAA and you have refused to answer it. So unless you answer that question I will not answer yours. Thank you,"]Well if you couldn't care less about my viewpoint ,stop asking me presumptuous questions then. I note you have failed to answer a simple yes or no question, so I have the right to assume you are happy continuing with the outdated system and are frightened of radical changes, because you haven't the courage to contradict my opinion. I know you're from Cavan but don't worry an answer wont cost you anything.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 10/05/2021 13:45:13    2340916

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "We all have a lot to learn there are no exceptions, in this debate I have no interest what so ever in Africa, the UK, soccer or the FAI and weather they are an organization or not that's fine by me, the gaa, The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland's largest sporting organization. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.
As we all know a lot of organization goes on within the "association""
You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sport and an organization / association or whatever source you use for your copy and paste material. Sounds like you're more in love with an organization than the sports themselves. Many people love soccer but hate the FAI, GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 930 - 08/05/2021 22:28:08


Problem, Indeed not, I think it's you who seem to have the problem, problems even, take a look at some of your quotes, - "damage that the gaa have done cannot be repaired", - "not fit for purpose" ,- "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer", - "GAA is no different, well past it's sell by date"

Surely after all that's wrong with the gaa you can't possibly get any natural enjoyment out of posting here, give yourself a break.
Take care."
Only care about games, couldn't care less about the GAA, takes more than a free wind breaker to buy my loyalty. If you think the well paid GAA hierarchy are the doing a great job, that's fine, but clearly my standards are much higher."]Why do you not get involved so if your standards are so high and help raise the standards instead of coming on here giving out about everything?? Very easy to be the best hurler on the ditch- get up and out and do something about it"]And do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you ?"]I would prefer if you would answer the simple question I asked you rather than trying to deflect by answering me with a question- why don't you get involved and start bringing about the change you think is so badly needed??"]Because you are asking a question based on your own presumption, I wouldn't ask you why you don't buy a lotto ticket to support your local club without actually knowing whether you do or not because it would be a presumptuous question, exactly the same as your question. On the other hand, I asked you a straight forward yes or no question and you were incapable of answering it.

So I'll ask you again, do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?

It's a simple yes or no question."]As is mine and you refuse to answer it as has been your usual modus operandi on this site- criticise everything, answer no questions (yet you have the gall to ask me to answer your ridiculous question) offer no solutions and deflect deflect deflect. Grow up my dear man, grow up!!"]My viewpoint is clear, the Championship structure is completely outdated and needs radical reform but I have zero confidence that the GAA are capable or willing to make such reforms. Now, what's your viewpoint ?

Do you believe radical changes are needed or are you happy with the outdated structure of the senior All-Ireland Football Championship for example or would radical changes frighten you?"]To be quite honest with you I don't care what your viewpoint is- never have and never will. I asked you a simple question why don't you get involved to help sort out the problems with the GAA and you have refused to answer it. So unless you answer that question I will not answer yours. Thank you,"]Well if you couldn't care less about my viewpoint ,stop asking me presumptuous questions then. I note you have failed to answer a simple yes or no question, so I have the right to assume you are happy continuing with the outdated system and are frightened of radical changes, because you haven't the courage to contradict my opinion. I know you're from Cavan but don't worry an answer wont cost you anything. "]Oh you are so original- really must try harder-

you will not answer questions either baby. Coz if you are "doing something" which I highly doubt then you are part of the problem sunshine!!

You are giving out about the organisation that you are part of. If you are not doing something well then why not??? Maybe stick to the rugby lad.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/05/2021 14:18:36    2340927

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The Ulster GAA, Stephen McGeehan and Derry GAA have just confirmed that clubs don't need more and more pitches by their full support of Sean Dolan's Club in Derry City. They abandoned plans for a second flood lit pitch by taking the cash from a housing developer, who is building houses, to pay off debts. They are building an indoor training hall instead.
So how can the GAA have any strategic leadership ability to develop the game in Derry City ?
Clubs need outdoor grass pitches to grow the playing numbers at all levels.

IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 51 - 10/05/2021 16:30:03    2340959

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