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Replying To omahant: "In another post, I had proposed regional teams like those for an inter-regional AIC. With all counties playing in new amalgamated units, maybe it makes splitting Dublin more palatable. A plan to allocate Dub inner city and county clubs to the Leinster regions would need to be developed as part of the below.
How about 10 regional teams -
Uls 3 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WU) = Done, Derry, Tyr
South (SU) = Ferm, Cav, Mona
East (EU) = Ant, Arm, Down.
Muns 2 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WM) = Kerr, Clar, Lime
East (EM) = Cork, Tipp, Wat.
Conn 2 regions (3 counties in each, incl Lond)
North (NC) = Mayo, Slig, Leit
South (SC) = Galw, Rosc, Lond.
Lein 3 regions (with 3.3 or 4.3 counties in each, incl Dubs split in 3 to the 3 regions)
North (NL) 4.3 = Lou, Mea, Long, Wmea, NDub
Mid (ML) 3.3 = Kild, Off, Lao, MidDub
South (SL) 4.3 = Wick, Wex, Carl, Kilk, SDub.
I could see half of the 10 regions being competitive, in with a chance of winning - maybe, small number of competitive teams is best, like hurling.
Play season as a League Championship -
2 groups of 5 (draw at least 1 region from each Prov to each diversified group)
13-match regular season (twice v own group, once v other group)
Top 3 of 5 from each group to 6-team KO (group winners to AI SFs, crossover 2v3 QFs).
I'd expect final table ranking like this -
1 WU; 2 WM; 3 SU; 4 SC; 5 NC; 6 EM;
7 NL; 8 EU; 9 ML; 10 SL." No because it goes against so much of what the GAA is about
Few will identify with these teams and not support them
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 05/05/2021 11:01:38
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Replying To omahant: "In another post, I had proposed regional teams like those for an inter-regional AIC. With all counties playing in new amalgamated units, maybe it makes splitting Dublin more palatable. A plan to allocate Dub inner city and county clubs to the Leinster regions would need to be developed as part of the below.
How about 10 regional teams -
Uls 3 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WU) = Done, Derry, Tyr
South (SU) = Ferm, Cav, Mona
East (EU) = Ant, Arm, Down.
Muns 2 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WM) = Kerr, Clar, Lime
East (EM) = Cork, Tipp, Wat.
Conn 2 regions (3 counties in each, incl Lond)
North (NC) = Mayo, Slig, Leit
South (SC) = Galw, Rosc, Lond.
Lein 3 regions (with 3.3 or 4.3 counties in each, incl Dubs split in 3 to the 3 regions)
North (NL) 4.3 = Lou, Mea, Long, Wmea, NDub
Mid (ML) 3.3 = Kild, Off, Lao, MidDub
South (SL) 4.3 = Wick, Wex, Carl, Kilk, SDub.
I could see half of the 10 regions being competitive, in with a chance of winning - maybe, small number of competitive teams is best, like hurling.
Play season as a League Championship -
2 groups of 5 (draw at least 1 region from each Prov to each diversified group)
13-match regular season (twice v own group, once v other group)
Top 3 of 5 from each group to 6-team KO (group winners to AI SFs, crossover 2v3 QFs).
I'd expect final table ranking like this -
1 WU; 2 WM; 3 SU; 4 SC; 5 NC; 6 EM;
7 NL; 8 EU; 9 ML; 10 SL." I like your ideas, you put a lot of time and effort into what you do and are open to other suggestions, but unfortunately a lot of GAA people "back in the old country" are terrified of change or new ideas and prefer to be stuck in a time warp. Put your intelligence to better use, where it will be appreciated by other intelligent people, GAA fogeys don't want intelligent people, it makes them feel very insecure. When I meet people like yourself all over the world it makes me realize what "brain drain" really means.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 05/05/2021 11:26:31
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Thanks for the comment, Af-gael. I do like to think outside the box which is a bit too much for some. Perhaps one needs to emigrate (as I did) to gain wider experiences.
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Replying To omahant: "Thanks for the comment, Af-gael. I do like to think outside the box which is a bit too much for some. Perhaps one needs to emigrate (as I did) to gain wider experiences." Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
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Replying To carlowman: "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !" Good recap
I agree with a lot of what you're saying.
I felt that under 19 should have been the age group to replace under 21 and it should have been called the minor grade.
Immediately post school is when players are lost, there needs to be an intermediary grade sooner.
It's a good point you make on the amount of resources now flowing up to the county teams at the expense of clubs.
There has been a move towards more all weather surfaces. I think more money needs to go into coaching compared to capital projects but all weather facilities are important.
I'd sooner money go towards that and get kids playing more than it go on stadia.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4238 - 05/05/2021 21:22:07
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GAA Strategic Plan - aka - Level the playing field;
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Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 05/05/2021 21:59:11
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AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36
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Replying To KillingFields: "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?" So what do you propose??? Being negative with everything anyone proposes won't solve much so please desist. At least he is trying- ok for Limerick when they have JP backing them. Some of us not so lucky
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 06/05/2021 09:30:09
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AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 923 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36
That's a big statement to make AG, I wouldn't agree in that the GAA have done a lot of damage, rather they made some unpopular decisions including one or two very unpopular decisions, not fit for purpose maybe / maybe not, anyway when the NFL gets up and running shortly all of this will be forgotten about 'till the end of the football season again.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 06/05/2021 19:50:34
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essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 06/05/2021 22:53:35
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Replying To tonguey: " Replying To KillingFields: "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?" So what do you propose??? Being negative with everything anyone proposes won't solve much so please desist. At least he is trying- ok for Limerick when they have JP backing them. Some of us not so lucky"
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 07/05/2021 00:40:42
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Replying To omahant: "In another post, I had proposed regional teams like those for an inter-regional AIC. With all counties playing in new amalgamated units, maybe it makes splitting Dublin more palatable. A plan to allocate Dub inner city and county clubs to the Leinster regions would need to be developed as part of the below.
How about 10 regional teams -
Uls 3 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WU) = Done, Derry, Tyr
South (SU) = Ferm, Cav, Mona
East (EU) = Ant, Arm, Down.
Muns 2 regions (3 counties in each)
West (WM) = Kerr, Clar, Lime
East (EM) = Cork, Tipp, Wat.
Conn 2 regions (3 counties in each, incl Lond)
North (NC) = Mayo, Slig, Leit
South (SC) = Galw, Rosc, Lond.
Lein 3 regions (with 3.3 or 4.3 counties in each, incl Dubs split in 3 to the 3 regions)
North (NL) 4.3 = Lou, Mea, Long, Wmea, NDub
Mid (ML) 3.3 = Kild, Off, Lao, MidDub
South (SL) 4.3 = Wick, Wex, Carl, Kilk, SDub.
I could see half of the 10 regions being competitive, in with a chance of winning - maybe, small number of competitive teams is best, like hurling.
Play season as a League Championship -
2 groups of 5 (draw at least 1 region from each Prov to each diversified group)
13-match regular season (twice v own group, once v other group)
Top 3 of 5 from each group to 6-team KO (group winners to AI SFs, crossover 2v3 QFs).
I'd expect final table ranking like this -
1 WU; 2 WM; 3 SU; 4 SC; 5 NC; 6 EM;
7 NL; 8 EU; 9 ML; 10 SL." OR, play season as a League Championship -
2 groups of 5 (draw at least 1 region from each Prov to each diversified group), BUT -
14-match regular season (once v own group, twice v other group) for greater Prov derbies -
Top 6 of 10 from combined table to 6-team KO (top 2 to AI SFs, 3v6 and 4v5 in 2QFs).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 07/05/2021 03:42:28
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Replying To KillingFields: "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?" The development squads are an inefficient use of resources.
You'd actually be much better getting the trained coaches who run these teams spending their time going into clubs and over viewing underage sessions and giving feedback and guidance to the mentors of the clubs.
On the Saturday mornings that these sessions are being delivered to 30 kids maybe you'd be better having blitzes and weaker smaller clubs can amalgamate in a loose fashion with clubs from the other end of the county to allow them to be more competitive.
Having some of your top coaches dedicated to a handful of development squads is not leveraging their knowledge and expertise enough.
The best development system in the country right now is Dublin and their model is very decentralised. Other counties are very different to Dublin but they are still not getting the most out of their own resources and the development squads are part of the issue.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4238 - 07/05/2021 10:36:36
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Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?" So what do you propose??? Being negative with everything anyone proposes won't solve much so please desist. At least he is trying- ok for Limerick when they have JP backing them. Some of us not so lucky"
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 07/05/2021 11:00:38
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AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/05/2021 15:37:53
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To essmac: "[quote=AfricanGael: "More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose." The GAA is the best thing about Ireland."
More talks about talks, lets see. A lot of the damage the GAA have done cannot be repaired, not fit for purpose.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 926 - 05/05/2021 22:01:36 2340182
Hold on there for a minute AfricanGael (UK), can I ask is there any part of you Irish, in its entirety or partly, are you on a mission of construction or destruction, you say the gaa deserve better, better than what.?? You say the gaa don't own the games, can I remind you that the gaa is / are the games, do you know what the "GAA" means, well by definition it means, "The gaelic athletic association." The word association means simply, a group of people organized for a joint purpose. The purpose being to grow and foster gaelic games as the association (all voluntary members) sees fit, in other words the "association" are elected minders of our games, so yes they do own the games in its entirety, with our help and permission as voluntary members, and yes again they are the best thing for me faults and imperfections included.
Its quiet evident here that over time I have been critical of decisions made by the association, like the back door system, the sky deal, the super 8's and things like that, however I stopped short in saying, "God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer"
As you can see I am a Carlow man, I am recognised by some sympathetically and by others affectingly as being from a weak county and so be it. I see here that you are an AfricanGael / United Kingdomer, thats ok nothing wrong with that at all, but surely the connection you appear to have with all things Irish and the gaa you must have a county In Ireland to connect with.?
Finally why persist with antagonising yourself with the gaa if by your own admission,
"God help Ireland then, if an amateur sporting organization stuck in a time warp is the best the country can offer. Gaelic games deserve better, the GAA don't own the games, they seem to forget that. But if they're the best thing for you, that's fine, for some it's Guinness or whiskey, completely subjective."
There is something very wrong with my posts here when they don't get the same kind attention and response as yours do. - - - It appears I have a lot to learn.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 08/05/2021 00:41:21
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Replying To tonguey: " Replying To KillingFields: "[quote=tonguey: "[quote=KillingFields: "Glad you are hapoy with your lot abroad. I was lucky that I did not have to emigrate some years ago but my wife and I did seriously contemplate it at one stage as it was very difficult to live off our wages.
Plenty of bright people within the GAA at home who are passionate and in tune with affairs difficulties and what will be required to improve things.
Having inter County or regional.leagues and or even championships has been mooted before and in some areas it is in vogue.
As I posted earlier, hurling is in difficulty especially outside of the big 7 or 8 counties. Insufficient work being done to seriously grow the numbers. If we don't have the big numbers at younger age we will not have players at an older age.
- not enough clubs in urban areas.
- too big a gap between under 17 and under 20.
- little or no game time in many counties primary schools.
-inadequate number of games for players at club level.
- growing rugby culture in sec schools not being challenged.
- county managers being paid exorbitant sums of money.
-under age 'academy ' squads are not engendering those who don't make them to continue developing as players.
- are these squads actually working ?
- unfair that we put so much pressure on players time that players are forced to choose one sport over another.
- overseas teams have very few real opportunities to integrate into All Ireland competition.
- real shortage of referees.
Inadequate effort from GAA Camogie Assoc and LGFA to come together as one association.
- way too many resources being poured into county teams while clubs struggle to keep things going.
- the emphasis on county has resulted in absolute finance fatigue for so many club members.
- far too great an emphasis on winning.
- Gaeilge not being promoted.
-insufficient all weather winter pitches available for games in most counties.
- the greying of club committees!
Players at club need to be the focus, not county grounds, not county squads either !
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1597 - 05/05/2021 21:02:40
When you say growing rugby culture in schools isnt being challenged. what do you mean?
How many county managers are being paid exorbitantly? Its club coaches as well.
If there isnt enough games for players at club level then clubs and players need to do something about that like taking on the decision makers/county boards etc and show them they really want change
How would you address the gap between under 17 and 20 if you think its too big?
If there isnt enough game time in primary schools then clubs need to work together with teachers and county boards and have people from outside/involved in local clubs attend the schools to help coach with county board development officers assisting when they can.
Underage county development squads or as you call them 'academys' are very necessary. How would you change things if you removed them?
How would you integrate overseas sides into all ireland better?
Referees get far too much abuse, are not coached well enough. dont get enough ongoing training and development from the county boards.
How would you suggest changing the approach to winning?
Irish isnt being promoted because how many truly see a need for it or will use it in their day to day lives?
Where do you propose to get the funding and where would you be putting all these all weather pitches?" So what do you propose??? Being negative with everything anyone proposes won't solve much so please desist. At least he is trying- ok for Limerick when they have JP backing them. Some of us not so lucky"
Rugby is and has made serious inroads into sec schools and in the main has not been challenged. Look at the number of sec schools who have taken up rugby. Then look at the no of schools who have taken up GAA. Very few traditional sec rugby schools have taken up GAA. While the no of schools right around the country taking up the oval ball has increased substantially. Look at the sec schools websites.
What supports have been given to these schools who are trying to promote GAA ? Lok at your own club and ask that question. The same applies to primary schools. We have all fallen into the trap of EXOECTING the local school to have our gMes front and foremost.
Under 17 to 20 is a huge age differential that needs to be replaced hy under 19 only.
Managers getting paid... plenty of managers outside those counties who expect success are getting in excess.of 100,000.
Co boards then hide the cost and spread it out over other expenditures.
Club managers are getting in excess of 120 per night. They even hold back every year committing until they see what clubs are out there looking for managers. That is the real world.
When the GAA tried to investigate few years ago they came up against a stone wall silence.
Games programmes will not be real for players until clubs accept leagues without their co players. Counties must speed up that acceptance and put in place leagues.
The winning mentality has taken over and is letting us down. One of the key reasons why youngsters leave sport is because of the lack of fun and the predominace of a winning mentality. The young like to win but the adult feels he has to win.
And yes, the GAA can change this especially for the young.
Far too much emphasis by the media and perpetuated by the GAA on winning instead of looking at participating in the sport. Plenty of valid statistics to back what I am saying and this can be changed.
All weather floodlit pitches are essential for progress and to compete with other field sports.
The GAA will probably agree to subsidising Casement to what amount ? Other co grounds are in a similar situation, eg. St Conleths Park... i say Leave them be and put the monies into the exact same pitches we have in Admaston- full all weather pitches without our native grass.
Forget this incessant expenditure on increasing the capacities of co grounds for one or 2 games in the year while not ensuring enough pitches all year round for floodlit games that are a thing of the present not to mind the future.
Academies are settling on minding the few who show desire and skills at a certain age but leaving out hundreds. If a lad misses out on the academy, what does he do ? In my experience he goes somewhere else. And what happens the academy chap... does he stay at the game ?
Is he allowed to play with his club ? In some instances he is not allowed play thus creating a chasm between himself and the club player and invariably he will se8 this hi and give up or go to another sport.
Academies look great but in my view having watched them closely, are not working. Its an honest effort at improving the skill levels teamwork etc but they are siphoning off the best at a given time often in crude ways and not going back to the others and encouraging the masses to improve.
The GAA has made a great statement in having a 2 stage year, splitting club and county. It now has the best opportunity ever in focusing the emphasis on the club. And within the club ensuring that the each club grows its numbers without interference from academies and inter County managers.
As for referees, what county has actually gone out there and asked specific people to be referees, encouraged them to attend a local course, given them gear, and given them decent critical assistance over a given period to give them the confidence and know how to be good referees?
Referees have been put up with but not given supports.
Has anybody critiqued my view on why players must now choose one sport over another and we almost universally believe the GAA that its impossible for players to play both... its not right that this is what we accept. Its not what the GAA is about. All tied in of course with our 'having to win'.
We have a great organisation, that has given so much joy to so many.
But its far from perfect and has gone down pathways that have become byways and these need to be challenges so that the essence of the GAA remains as its heart and soul.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 08/05/2021 01:50:41
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Perhaps the biggest issue with Gaelic football now is the end product. It is terrible to watch as a spectator now and this is showing with attendances and dis-interest. As a former player and trainer I am not alone in this view. The negativity/cynicalism in the playing of the game is a turn off, no wonder other sports particularly rugby is gaining traction in previous gaa heartlands and schools.
We train kids up to minor to express themselves, and then when they turn adult they are reined in playing a systems game based on percentages. Backing oneself or having a go replaced with playing it safe.
Maybe that's unfair to teams and managers but this has been waterfalling down from adult to underage team for some time now. It's how much distance you've travelled in training or a game on GPS as opposed to what skills have been worked on, the bread and butter stuff. When players are let play and encouraged to express themselves and show their skill then there no better game to watch.
I am old school and a lot will say the game has moved so suck it up, it has but is it for the better?
Convert2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 25 - 08/05/2021 11:06:38
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Replying To Convert2: "Perhaps the biggest issue with Gaelic football now is the end product. It is terrible to watch as a spectator now and this is showing with attendances and dis-interest. As a former player and trainer I am not alone in this view. The negativity/cynicalism in the playing of the game is a turn off, no wonder other sports particularly rugby is gaining traction in previous gaa heartlands and schools.
We train kids up to minor to express themselves, and then when they turn adult they are reined in playing a systems game based on percentages. Backing oneself or having a go replaced with playing it safe.
Maybe that's unfair to teams and managers but this has been waterfalling down from adult to underage team for some time now. It's how much distance you've travelled in training or a game on GPS as opposed to what skills have been worked on, the bread and butter stuff. When players are let play and encouraged to express themselves and show their skill then there no better game to watch.
I am old school and a lot will say the game has moved so suck it up, it has but is it for the better?" You are being overly negative. The most watched game on TV on RTE last year was the 2020 All Ireland final. It was a good close game, full of great skill. Yes other games are gaining ground. GAA can never compete with the international games of soccer and rugby and golf. But it should not downgrade the GAA either.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 08/05/2021 11:56:56
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