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Replying To the_creeler:  "I would say if you go in bombarding young fellas or girls with tactics, training and diet plans, drills etc, a lot of them will walk away. You want to enjoy yourself at that age, and playing gaelic games shouldn't be a chore but it is coming to that point if one adopts the university professor type coaching with them. They'll just move to soccer or rugby etc for their enjoyment. Look at sunday league soccer in England, we have nothing similar at all in GAA,"
Agree 100%. Coaches going around with clipboards and doing drills with no relevance to the actual game they will be playing.......... how can lads be expected to play as a team, create space, look up for passes into space, do something off the cuff etc if they are drilled to within an inch of their lives. It is pure daftness. Let them learn on the job and stop trying to force everything on them- they will get enough of that at senior level

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 05/05/2021 14:52:15    2340114

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I would say if you go in bombarding young fellas or girls with tactics, training and diet plans, drills etc, a lot of them will walk away. You want to enjoy yourself at that age, and playing gaelic games shouldn't be a chore but it is coming to that point if one adopts the university professor type coaching with them. They'll just move to soccer or rugby etc for their enjoyment. Look at sunday league soccer in England, we have nothing similar at all in GAA,
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 14 - 05/05/2021 14:15:07

You are talking about minors. Some will be expected to play club senior in a years time etc and will be watching the higher levels from their club senior teams to inter county and see coverage of them and tactics, drills etc are essential to those levels
You are talking about 16 and 17 year olds. In any development process in sport you as a coach will want to be doing a lot more than very basic coaching and nobody is talking about university professor type coaching.
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An OP?? What is that?? An Old pensioner or some more jargon??
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 372 - 05/05/2021 14:35:09

You dont know much forum language etc then do you.... OP is original poster..

Agree 100%. Coaches going around with clipboards and doing drills with no relevance to the actual game they will be playing.......... how can lads be expected to play as a team, create space, look up for passes into space, do something off the cuff etc if they are drilled to within an inch of their lives. It is pure daftness. Let them learn on the job and stop trying to force everything on them- they will get enough of that at senior level
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 372 - 05/05/2021 14:52:15

Nobody is saying coaches going around with clipboards but many players at that age will be expecting an organised session with drills etc and they cant simply just learn on the job. Tactical planning, prep work is required at this level

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2549 - 05/05/2021 16:07:12    2340126

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Replying To tonguey:  "Agree 100%. Coaches going around with clipboards and doing drills with no relevance to the actual game they will be playing.......... how can lads be expected to play as a team, create space, look up for passes into space, do something off the cuff etc if they are drilled to within an inch of their lives. It is pure daftness. Let them learn on the job and stop trying to force everything on them- they will get enough of that at senior level"
You know that someone good management principles and take their role seriously without over complicating the playing side of things.

At 17 though there should begin to be some tactical appreciation. Honestly you'd have to be incredibly traditionalist to not appreciate that.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3625 - 05/05/2021 17:21:00    2340142

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I would say if you go in bombarding young fellas or girls with tactics, training and diet plans, drills etc, a lot of them will walk away. You want to enjoy yourself at that age, and playing gaelic games shouldn't be a chore but it is coming to that point if one adopts the university professor type coaching with them. They'll just move to soccer or rugby etc for their enjoyment. Look at sunday league soccer in England, we have nothing similar at all in GAA,
the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 14 - 05/05/2021 14:15:07

You are talking about minors. Some will be expected to play club senior in a years time etc and will be watching the higher levels from their club senior teams to inter county and see coverage of them and tactics, drills etc are essential to those levels
You are talking about 16 and 17 year olds. In any development process in sport you as a coach will want to be doing a lot more than very basic coaching and nobody is talking about university professor type coaching.
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An OP?? What is that?? An Old pensioner or some more jargon??
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 372 - 05/05/2021 14:35:09

You dont know much forum language etc then do you.... OP is original poster..

Agree 100%. Coaches going around with clipboards and doing drills with no relevance to the actual game they will be playing.......... how can lads be expected to play as a team, create space, look up for passes into space, do something off the cuff etc if they are drilled to within an inch of their lives. It is pure daftness. Let them learn on the job and stop trying to force everything on them- they will get enough of that at senior level
tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 372 - 05/05/2021 14:52:15

Nobody is saying coaches going around with clipboards but many players at that age will be expecting an organised session with drills etc and they cant simply just learn on the job. Tactical planning, prep work is required at this level"
Your spot on about the planning and prep work. That's half the battle. If players see that sessions are properly taught out and structured they will buy into it more. Just rocking on up with good intentions and Mickey mouse drills is a waste of time.
Minor is a level at which things should be getting serious and is a stepping stone to senior. If you have will drilled minors coming through the ranks it will bolster your seniors in the future.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1389 - 05/05/2021 17:47:57    2340150

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I don't tend to post online as it seems to always somehow turn into arguments! lol.
What I wanted was some resources that will help me manage players aged 15/16/17. They do expect things to be well run and organised at that age, as it should be. Fun will definitely be a key element I want to bring to our set up but I also want to have an environment that challenges players and makes them better.
2 resources I've got: 'Be The Best You Can Be in Sport' book by Paul Kilgannon, I've had it a few weeks and nearly finished it....it's a brilliant read and I've learned a lot about how young people should view themselves and their sport. It's actually aimed at young sports people but as someone who is dealing with these people it's a great insight.
Thank you to the poster who pointed me in the direction of the GAA Game Day Journal. It arrived yesterday and it is exactly what I was looking for. Has management tips in it but it helps you put a structure around your game day and focuses on preparation and reflection. It is top class.
I've received some great tips from posters in here too and thanks to everyone who has helped. If there's anymore content out there I'd love to hear about it.

newcoach1 (Sligo) - Posts: 5 - 06/05/2021 09:36:41    2340203

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Replying To newcoach1:  "I don't tend to post online as it seems to always somehow turn into arguments! lol.
What I wanted was some resources that will help me manage players aged 15/16/17. They do expect things to be well run and organised at that age, as it should be. Fun will definitely be a key element I want to bring to our set up but I also want to have an environment that challenges players and makes them better.
2 resources I've got: 'Be The Best You Can Be in Sport' book by Paul Kilgannon, I've had it a few weeks and nearly finished it....it's a brilliant read and I've learned a lot about how young people should view themselves and their sport. It's actually aimed at young sports people but as someone who is dealing with these people it's a great insight.
Thank you to the poster who pointed me in the direction of the GAA Game Day Journal. It arrived yesterday and it is exactly what I was looking for. Has management tips in it but it helps you put a structure around your game day and focuses on preparation and reflection. It is top class.
I've received some great tips from posters in here too and thanks to everyone who has helped. If there's anymore content out there I'd love to hear about it."
It was an interesting thread that you put forward, glad you got something productive out of it and all the best for you and your team.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3625 - 06/05/2021 11:06:48    2340222

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I know of one underage team of lads who were encouraged to come up with a playlist of songs they could play in the dressing room before training and games etc. They nearly fell about the place laughing at such a suggestion and indeed put forward ridiculous music, and the coach who suggested it was much diminished in their eyes for even thinking of it. Make of that what you will.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 06/05/2021 11:24:09    2340228

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Replying To the_creeler:  "I know of one underage team of lads who were encouraged to come up with a playlist of songs they could play in the dressing room before training and games etc. They nearly fell about the place laughing at such a suggestion and indeed put forward ridiculous music, and the coach who suggested it was much diminished in their eyes for even thinking of it. Make of that what you will."
I've always thought that sort of thing a bit silly too, I definitely know of others though who like things like that.

I guess knowing who you're dealing with is important.

Kids/teenagers can just be little tools though too. If the don't like you there's not much can be done about it and it's not necessarily your fault.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3625 - 06/05/2021 14:34:06    2340264

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