HoganStand GAA Football and Hurling

National Forum

The League

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post

You need to Login to Post

Replying To royaldunne: "Why is it only ulster that still holds this view ?? I am genuinely interested, is it self belief? Is it a unwillingness to see what's goin on ? I'm not having a go but no county in Leinster thinks like that. And I am talking about counties that have more all Ireland than either Donegal or Tyrone, Meath are in the top 5 in traditional counties, Offaly have a huge tradition, Kildare same, Laois Westmeath etc have all beat or win provincials this century yet they have all come to the belief that the all ire is now a dead competition, The view that it's only a warm up (the league) seems to only come from ulster counties. Do they still believe they can beat Dublin? And Kerry ? Let's be honest and I'm not having a go here, neither Donegal nor Tyrone are going to win Sam this year or next for that matter, neither would beat dubs and either would find it hard to beat Kerry, they really are in the also rans along with a lot of other counties. I admire ur optimism, sure I am always a half full glass man. But how many all ire will dub have to win to change these counties minds ? I know Donegal were last team to beat them and all that, however just 4 years previously Meath put 5 goals past cluxton and destroyed them yet we can see what the gaa created , why can't some ulster counties ?" How can you be so sure donegal or Tyrone won't win an all Ireland witin the next 2 years. Give me the crystal ball your looking into there will ya Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 28/04/2021 14:08:01 2339110 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Why is it only ulster that still holds this view ?? I am genuinely interested, is it self belief? Is it a unwillingness to see what's goin on ? I'm not having a go but no county in Leinster thinks like that. And I am talking about counties that have more all Ireland than either Donegal or Tyrone, Meath are in the top 5 in traditional counties, Offaly have a huge tradition, Kildare same, Laois Westmeath etc have all beat or win provincials this century yet they have all come to the belief that the all ire is now a dead competition, The view that it's only a warm up (the league) seems to only come from ulster counties. Do they still believe they can beat Dublin? And Kerry ? Let's be honest and I'm not having a go here, neither Donegal nor Tyrone are going to win Sam this year or next for that matter, neither would beat dubs and either would find it hard to beat Kerry, they really are in the also rans along with a lot of other counties. I admire ur optimism, sure I am always a half full glass man. But how many all ire will dub have to win to change these counties minds ? I know Donegal were last team to beat them and all that, however just 4 years previously Meath put 5 goals past cluxton and destroyed them yet we can see what the gaa created , why can't some ulster counties ?" I'm constantly entertained by the notions you have of yourself and who you think you speak for. Top 5 in traditional counties? It took you 60 years to win an All-Ireland and yous have had long barren spells in between some brilliant, legendary teams since then. You started this thread to have a cut at Ulster for some childish reason and somehow think you're balanced and partial and genuinely interested in opinions - laughable if kinda tragic. Patronising Down GAA is fooling nobody either. The arrogance it takes to make these statements about an entire province and think you're being reasonable is astounding. You'd think that your constant triumphant references to a Leinster semi-final you won 11 years ago would register with you somehow, but the penny never drops. Before you go down the inevitable road of slagging Cavan in response, I don't make outlandish claims about my county insisting they're fact. Stay in your lane. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 28/04/2021 14:55:11 2339120 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Why is it only ulster that still holds this view ?? I am genuinely interested, is it self belief? Is it a unwillingness to see what's goin on ? I'm not having a go but no county in Leinster thinks like that. And I am talking about counties that have more all Ireland than either Donegal or Tyrone, Meath are in the top 5 in traditional counties, Offaly have a huge tradition, Kildare same, Laois Westmeath etc have all beat or win provincials this century yet they have all come to the belief that the all ire is now a dead competition, The view that it's only a warm up (the league) seems to only come from ulster counties. Do they still believe they can beat Dublin? And Kerry ? Let's be honest and I'm not having a go here, neither Donegal nor Tyrone are going to win Sam this year or next for that matter, neither would beat dubs and either would find it hard to beat Kerry, they really are in the also rans along with a lot of other counties. I admire ur optimism, sure I am always a half full glass man. But how many all ire will dub have to win to change these counties minds ? I know Donegal were last team to beat them and all that, however just 4 years previously Meath put 5 goals past cluxton and destroyed them yet we can see what the gaa created , why can't some ulster counties ?" Right so. Let's disband county competition altogether and concentrate solely on club. Dublin are the best team ever granted, but they haven't annihilated any team in a final. Mayo and Kerry have both gotten close. Could Donegal and Tyrone beat Kerry or Mayo on their day? Yes. I don't understand this defeatist attitude at all. Meath used to be renowned for their teak toughness and would never yield an inch to Dublin. Where has that attitude disappeared to? Like meek lambs these days it seems. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 28/04/2021 16:22:30 2339147 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Right so. Let's disband county competition altogether and concentrate solely on club. Dublin are the best team ever granted, but they haven't annihilated any team in a final. Mayo and Kerry have both gotten close. Could Donegal and Tyrone beat Kerry or Mayo on their day? Yes. I don't understand this defeatist attitude at all. Meath used to be renowned for their teak toughness and would never yield an inch to Dublin. Where has that attitude disappeared to? Like meek lambs these days it seems." Part of the problem with Meath GAA in particular is that they are too party political. To compare part of the Dubs, and Kerry's success in the last 20 years is that they take on players based on ability. Not on their parents political views or where they work. It seems to me that Meath in particular have not done this. I look at some of the Meath GAA people and they are on tv and radio and writing in the Indo, criticising the GAA, rather than trying to win. They spend more time on politics than on winning matches. Just look at the Meath posters on this site. Always bringing politics into sport. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 28/04/2021 17:37:56 2339164 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Right so. Let's disband county competition altogether and concentrate solely on club. Dublin are the best team ever granted, but they haven't annihilated any team in a final. Mayo and Kerry have both gotten close. Could Donegal and Tyrone beat Kerry or Mayo on their day? Yes. I don't understand this defeatist attitude at all. Meath used to be renowned for their teak toughness and would never yield an inch to Dublin. Where has that attitude disappeared to? Like meek lambs these days it seems." I think the Dublin dominance has destroyed hope in many counties. People laugh at Mayo for thinking we can win an all Ireland....well we've been closer than many of those doing the laughing and why can't one hope and think they can cross that bridge? If you don't think it's can't be done then your beaten already. IF Mayo win Connacht (and I said if because it will be extremely hard to win this year) meet Dublin this year in a semi final I'd give us a right chance....why not? They have to be beaten some day. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 28/04/2021 17:57:11 2339169 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I think the Dublin dominance has destroyed hope in many counties. People laugh at Mayo for thinking we can win an all Ireland....well we've been closer than many of those doing the laughing and why can't one hope and think they can cross that bridge? If you don't think it's can't be done then your beaten already. IF Mayo win Connacht (and I said if because it will be extremely hard to win this year) meet Dublin this year in a semi final I'd give us a right chance....why not? They have to be beaten some day." Proper positive attitude! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11818 - 28/04/2021 19:08:13 2339174 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "excuse my ignorance - gaago is a paid subscipation? can you get it in the North?" As far as I know it is available worldwide. Originally set up to cater for GAA fans outside Ireland, however now available to view all games at a cost of fiver. Watched a few last year and quality was ok seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2141 - 28/04/2021 19:19:14 2339178 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I think the Dublin dominance has destroyed hope in many counties. People laugh at Mayo for thinking we can win an all Ireland....well we've been closer than many of those doing the laughing and why can't one hope and think they can cross that bridge? If you don't think it's can't be done then your beaten already. IF Mayo win Connacht (and I said if because it will be extremely hard to win this year) meet Dublin this year in a semi final I'd give us a right chance....why not? They have to be beaten some day." Great positive attitude Yewtree. I personally don't think Mayo are as strong as the 2014 to 17 team but Dublin prob not as strong either. Mayo very unlucky not to have won at least one all ireland and maybe that ship has sailed but who knows. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 28/04/2021 19:21:11 2339179 Link
In my eyes the only teams who can beat Dublin are Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal. Don't think Mayo can get near them anymore albeit put some great battles up to them over the years. TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1141 - 28/04/2021 19:41:22 2339189 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I think the Dublin dominance has destroyed hope in many counties. People laugh at Mayo for thinking we can win an all Ireland....well we've been closer than many of those doing the laughing and why can't one hope and think they can cross that bridge? If you don't think it's can't be done then your beaten already. IF Mayo win Connacht (and I said if because it will be extremely hard to win this year) meet Dublin this year in a semi final I'd give us a right chance....why not? They have to be beaten some day." Exactly. A day will come when Dublin under perform perhaps & some fiercely hungry team like Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone will smell blood & beat them. But if everyone's attitude was a defeatist as some posters there'd be no point in getting out of bed in the morning. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 28/04/2021 19:52:48 2339192 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Part of the problem with Meath GAA in particular is that they are too party political. To compare part of the Dubs, and Kerry's success in the last 20 years is that they take on players based on ability. Not on their parents political views or where they work. It seems to me that Meath in particular have not done this. I look at some of the Meath GAA people and they are on tv and radio and writing in the Indo, criticising the GAA, rather than trying to win. They spend more time on politics than on winning matches. Just look at the Meath posters on this site. Always bringing politics into sport." So thats where we went wrong, knew it had to be more than lack of players or underperforming management, I will contact County Board with this informed insight and analysis and no doubt we will soon return to past glory days. Forever in your debt. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2141 - 28/04/2021 19:55:14 2339193 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I think the Dublin dominance has destroyed hope in many counties. People laugh at Mayo for thinking we can win an all Ireland....well we've been closer than many of those doing the laughing and why can't one hope and think they can cross that bridge? If you don't think it's can't be done then your beaten already. IF Mayo win Connacht (and I said if because it will be extremely hard to win this year) meet Dublin this year in a semi final I'd give us a right chance....why not? They have to be beaten some day." Mayo have given good entertainment. However they like Meath are just too political. There are too many people in Mayo GAA playing at politics rather than gaelic football. Leave the politics at the dressing room door lads. Pity as they have been a great team for the GAA over the last 20 years. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 28/04/2021 20:12:57 2339200 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Mayo have given good entertainment. However they like Meath are just too political. There are too many people in Mayo GAA playing at politics rather than gaelic football. Leave the politics at the dressing room door lads. Pity as they have been a great team for the GAA over the last 20 years." Couldn't give a crap about entertaining anyone...just want to win it. Mayo football is political no doubt but I'd argue every county is. It is not an excuse Galway hurling a prime example and what's going on in a Galway football? Tom Flynn another player opting out... yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 28/04/2021 22:16:50 2339219 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ah it was the middle of November Ollie and everyone know winter football doesn't suit us :-)" When you have 37 All Ireland's KingdomBoy, winter football is not for everyone. Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 784 - 28/04/2021 22:17:28 2339220 Link
Replying To TheRock2121: "In my eyes the only teams who can beat Dublin are Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal. Don't think Mayo can get near them anymore albeit put some great battles up to them over the years." Donegal and Tyrone have yet to prove they are able for Dublin....in fact they have to actually get far enough to meet them first. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 28/04/2021 22:17:55 2339221 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Great positive attitude Yewtree. I personally don't think Mayo are as strong as the 2014 to 17 team but Dublin prob not as strong either. Mayo very unlucky not to have won at least one all ireland and maybe that ship has sailed but who knows." Chance gone for that team surly but many are now retired. Mayo are in transition but still very competitive. Finding a few players so will take time. I still believe we can beat a Dublin in a one off game though on any given day. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 28/04/2021 22:20:39 2339223 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "That's true Ollie but in the only final played between Mayo and Louth Mayo unfortunately for the Wee County came out on top." That was the only Championship meeting between the teams Greengrass. Mayo won the match with a late goal. There have not been too many clashes down through the years either in the league. The last time they met in the league was in 1998 at Drawda. Mayo won by a couple of points. Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 784 - 28/04/2021 22:28:21 2339224 Link
Replying To Irishcelt: "How can you be so sure donegal or Tyrone won't win an all Ireland witin the next 2 years. Give me the crystal ball your looking into there will ya" Really?? If you think either will. Can I have some of what u smokin royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/04/2021 23:28:19 2339232 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Donegal and Tyrone have yet to prove they are able for Dublin....in fact they have to actually get far enough to meet them first." This is very true. I would argue though that Donegal have more attacking players capable of landing the couple of big punches that would be needed to knock Dublin out. But we don't have the same tenacity and ferocious tackling at the back that we used to have under McGuinness. The job this year will be to find a balance. It won't be easy at all, can't look beyond Down in Newry in the prelim. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 29/04/2021 08:57:25 2339257 Link
Just looking at the way they are opening the country up it makes no sense to me now that the leagues are divided into northern and southern sections, we'll likely be free to go anywhere in the country by mid May, I suppose the decision was made with the situation as it was at the time, but as they say when the facts change we should change with them. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2746 - 29/04/2021 09:52:30 2339263 Link