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Muns SFs = Lime beats Cork; Tipp beats Wat
Muns Final = Lime beats Tipp

Lein SFs = Kilk beats Wex; Galw beats Dub
Lein Final = Galw beats Kilk

AI SFs = Lime beats Kilk; Tipp beats Galw
AI Final = Lime beats Tipp.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2161 - 21/04/2021 02:27:01    2338152

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Definitely no clear cut fav in Leinster. I thought it might have been set up for Wexford to win the AI last year but how wrong was I. I wasnt massively impressed by Galway last year but they still could have very easily won the AI. People forget how close they were to a Limerick team that a lot of people are almost saying they are unbeatable ...and yet I dont think Galway turned up at all on the day and were level with them on 70 mins (if memory serves me..)
I do think Galway are slightly in transition and need to sort out a number of positions as they have a rookie goalie and no orthodox corner backs - at least that are in favour. I still think they can use Whelan even more to their advantage and Concannon surprised me and for me was a definite All star last year. For me they are slight favs for Leinster despite being in transition and probably second favs for the All Ireland because of that.
KK were close to a final again last year but a few older players need to rediscover their form to have chance of all ireland honours. Mainly Buckley, the two Walshs, Eoin Murphy and Richie Hogan. I don't feel the younger players are god enough to lead that team yet.
Wexford are completely unknown. I'd be surprised if there isnt a big kick out of them.
In Munster its hard to see past Limerick especially given that they couldnt celebrate the AI win, Tipp are yet another year older and have been very much hindered by not getting game time into the younger guys so the older guys will all be there again this year. Its a big ask. I dont think Cork could win the AI but I do think that they have a chance of catching Limerick in Munster but I dont have much bar tradition to base that on.

Overall it could be sad to see some older players finish up at the end of this championship and without going out in front of packed houses. Some of the countries best players are a few years into their 30's so I feel sorry for them if this is their last hurrah. Horgan, Canning, Callanan, Mahers, Reid, Hogan, etc are some of the best ever to play the game. All have been nominated for HOTY once or more than once I believe."
It is hard not to think that Limerick are the team to beat again this year. They have a number of outstanding players in key positions, they now have the experience and know how, having won their second title plus they seem to have strength in the squad. I'm not sure why people are being so negative about Galway, ok, some of their players are getting on and have been there for the last 10 years but they are still in the top 3-4 teams to win the All Ireland. Kilkenny are a bit too dependent on a few key players like TJ Reid and Richie Hogan but they are winners and have been in the final and semi final the last two years so you can't discount them but to win it out, I don't think they have enough key players or players in depth to compete with Limerick. It will be interesting to see if TIpperary can regroup and come again, as has been pointed out, they probably need a league campaign to look at some young players and I believe the manager will try and do this in the condensed league but does he have enough time or games!! There is talent coming through so I think they could be the main challengers to Limerick in Munster. Clare are the only other team that I think are in the frame but without a number of their key players for various reasons, it is probably too much to ask to compete with the other teams at the latter stages.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1445 - 21/04/2021 09:11:53    2338154

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Replying To omahant:  "Muns SFs = Lime beats Cork; Tipp beats Wat
Muns Final = Lime beats Tipp

Lein SFs = Kilk beats Wex; Galw beats Dub
Lein Final = Galw beats Kilk

AI SFs = Lime beats Kilk; Tipp beats Galw
AI Final = Lime beats Tipp."
Forgetting about laois and Antrim ??? How ignorant of you.wouldn't rule them out

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 21/04/2021 09:39:38    2338157

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Can't believe it's 11 years since we beat Dublin in croker. Hopefully we can raise our game again and give a good account of ourselves. Confidence was definitely growing last season. But obviously this year will be a different level, hopefully we use it positively.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 21/04/2021 12:18:53    2338183

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Replying To omahant:  "Muns SFs = Lime beats Cork; Tipp beats Wat
Muns Final = Lime beats Tipp

Lein SFs = Kilk beats Wex; Galw beats Dub
Lein Final = Galw beats Kilk

AI SFs = Lime beats Kilk; Tipp beats Galw
AI Final = Lime beats Tipp."
Munster is a mine field. In the last ten seasons Cork have often given stellar displays in the first round and it would not surprise if they did it again. The problem is they have repeatedly failed to follow up these stunning performances later on, often losing to teams they conquered early in the year. I would also be very cautious about dismissing Waterford, as they gave Limerick plenty of it in the Munster fineFinal last year, have players in their prime who have won Minor and Under 21 and National League Medals, have a few players to come back from last year and have a fine manager in Liam Cahill. Overall, I feel the above suggestions are the most likely outcome of games, but there are always upsets.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3308 - 21/04/2021 12:53:07    2338192

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Munster is a mine field. In the last ten seasons Cork have often given stellar displays in the first round and it would not surprise if they did it again. The problem is they have repeatedly failed to follow up these stunning performances later on, often losing to teams they conquered early in the year. I would also be very cautious about dismissing Waterford, as they gave Limerick plenty of it in the Munster fineFinal last year, have players in their prime who have won Minor and Under 21 and National League Medals, have a few players to come back from last year and have a fine manager in Liam Cahill. Overall, I feel the above suggestions are the most likely outcome of games, but there are always upsets."
Waterford are still around for the championship.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 403 - 21/04/2021 13:49:51    2338206

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Waterford are still around for the championship."
It took this long into the posts before we got a mention. I was beginning to think that Dubai were going to get vote before Oldtourman and yourself gave us a shout. Incredible for last year's provincial and All-Ireland finalists. However it was the same last year and I do remember stating on this forum that suits Waterford and hopefully we keep getting played down.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1677 - 21/04/2021 15:00:57    2338218

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Replying To Canuck:  "It took this long into the posts before we got a mention. I was beginning to think that Dubai were going to get vote before Oldtourman and yourself gave us a shout. Incredible for last year's provincial and All-Ireland finalists. However it was the same last year and I do remember stating on this forum that suits Waterford and hopefully we keep getting played down."
I tipped ye as a major threat early on here last year as well .I cannot understand why every year people seem to reach for Cork as a major threat. The fact is they won their Last All Ireland U21 and National League Titles in '98, their last minor All Ireland in '01 and their last Senior Final in 2005. They in all probability be back as a major force in the next few years, but I feel it will not be this year. There is some work to be done in the land of my fathers people before the Great Rebel Lion will roar again.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3308 - 21/04/2021 18:24:20    2338259

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "But you said you don't follow hurling?? That would be the same as me giving my opinion on American football something I know nothing about so there for I keep my opinions on it to myself"
Just because I don't follow it nowadays doesn't mean I know nothing about it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1822 - 21/04/2021 19:26:57    2338268

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I tipped ye as a major threat early on here last year as well .I cannot understand why every year people seem to reach for Cork as a major threat. The fact is they won their Last All Ireland U21 and National League Titles in '98, their last minor All Ireland in '01 and their last Senior Final in 2005. They in all probability be back as a major force in the next few years, but I feel it will not be this year. There is some work to be done in the land of my fathers people before the Great Rebel Lion will roar again."
I omitted Waterford in my post which I didn't mean to as I believe they have a good manager and their talented group of players seem to be happy playing for Liam Cahill. Maybe losing both finals last year will give them added motivation. With regard to pundits and posters building up Cork, this is an on-going issue in the GAA, history\tradition is more important than facts. There is nothing to suggest that Cork will win an All Ireland. Yes on their day they can cause a surprise but they are inconsistent and I would have them behind Limerick, Waterford, Tipperary and Clare in Munster based upon their recent displays and results.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1445 - 22/04/2021 11:10:41    2338338

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I omitted Waterford in my post which I didn't mean to as I believe they have a good manager and their talented group of players seem to be happy playing for Liam Cahill. Maybe losing both finals last year will give them added motivation. With regard to pundits and posters building up Cork, this is an on-going issue in the GAA, history\tradition is more important than facts. There is nothing to suggest that Cork will win an All Ireland. Yes on their day they can cause a surprise but they are inconsistent and I would have them behind Limerick, Waterford, Tipperary and Clare in Munster based upon their recent displays and results."
Personally I said they could pull off an upset but dont expect them to challenge for AI honours. However people are also quick to forget that they have won 3 of the last 7 Munsters which is more than either Tipp or Limerick have won. Granted Limerick are now a superior force but those Cork teams were probably not dramatically better than the Cork 2021 team "could" be.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3157 - 22/04/2021 20:02:00    2338441

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I said they could pull off an upset but dont expect them to challenge for AI honours. However people are also quick to forget that they have won 3 of the last 7 Munsters which is more than either Tipp or Limerick have won. Granted Limerick are now a superior force but those Cork teams were probably not dramatically better than the Cork 2021 team "could" be."
Really Tiobraid, does winning a Munster Title, especially under the system as it ran from 2008 to '19, mean an awful lot.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3308 - 23/04/2021 08:53:14    2338479

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Replying To Canuck:  "It took this long into the posts before we got a mention. I was beginning to think that Dubai were going to get vote before Oldtourman and yourself gave us a shout. Incredible for last year's provincial and All-Ireland finalists. However it was the same last year and I do remember stating on this forum that suits Waterford and hopefully we keep getting played down."
Always liked the Deise, and hope some day soon they can win the All Ireland Canuck.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 403 - 23/04/2021 14:32:31    2338534

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Always liked the Deise, and hope some day soon they can win the All Ireland Canuck."
Me too

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 317 - 23/04/2021 14:36:42    2338536

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Really Tiobraid, does winning a Munster Title, especially under the system as it ran from 2008 to '19, mean an awful lot."
The thread is about the draws tho... I never said it did or didn't but for the record I firmly believe it does mean a lot yes. Now that Limerick have won all irelands is it may not mean as much however I guarantee if you ask players from any of the 5 counties any they will tell you what it means. I seen the joy on the Tipp faces in the Gaelic grounds in 2016 close up and I can tell you it meant something to them.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3157 - 24/04/2021 14:54:37    2338628

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Replying To Canuck:  "It took this long into the posts before we got a mention. I was beginning to think that Dubai were going to get vote before Oldtourman and yourself gave us a shout. Incredible for last year's provincial and All-Ireland finalists. However it was the same last year and I do remember stating on this forum that suits Waterford and hopefully we keep getting played down."
And of course, Dubai would win that one!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 780 - 24/04/2021 16:31:02    2338639

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Is that a new addition? Waterford lost all their games in munster a couple of years ago and weren't relegated."
Still there , maybe look up the rules before, might help.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 595 - 24/04/2021 16:46:56    2338640

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Replying To tiobraid:  "The thread is about the draws tho... I never said it did or didn't but for the record I firmly believe it does mean a lot yes. Now that Limerick have won all irelands is it may not mean as much however I guarantee if you ask players from any of the 5 counties any they will tell you what it means. I seen the joy on the Tipp faces in the Gaelic grounds in 2016 close up and I can tell you it meant something to them."
Well Tiobraid what makes me doubtful is that Tipp. Waterford, Cork( thrice) and Limerick (twice) all won Munster titles and the long break thereafter seemed to work against them by the time All Ireland Semi Final came about.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3308 - 24/04/2021 19:13:05    2338650

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Tiobraid what makes me doubtful is that Tipp. Waterford, Cork( thrice) and Limerick (twice) all won Munster titles and the long break thereafter seemed to work against them by the time All Ireland Semi Final came about."
Why didn't the long break work against the Leinster Champions?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1546 - 24/04/2021 21:10:27    2338665

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Why didn't the long break work against the Leinster Champions?"
The longer break at u21 for Leinster champions always went against them come the all Ireland u21 series.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3450 - 25/04/2021 09:00:32    2338693

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