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The wider issue is concentrating on an elite group and saying to h*** with the rest.

There are 2 competing views of football - either it's (i) big business or (ii) it's the heartbeat of a community.

You can go some way to merging those 2 approaches, but the risk is that, without a clear community vision, (i) always wins out.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1074 - 20/04/2021 21:05:59    2338118

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Are you suggesting the Dubs should play by themselves ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2163 - 21/04/2021 00:01:11    2338146

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Replying To realdub:  "We are signing up for the euro league, farewell peasants."
Well done realdub ye got the 6 English teams to pull out of the ESL, they were all for the break away competition until they heard the dubs don't travel and they'd have to play ye home and away in Croke Park :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14010 - 21/04/2021 10:13:40    2338164

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well done realdub ye got the 6 English teams to pull out of the ESL, they were all for the break away competition until they heard the dubs don't travel and they'd have to play ye home and away in Croke Park :-)"
And they have favourable referees in the games and they have more money than others and so forth

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 21/04/2021 10:57:04    2338171

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Replying To Rebel2020:  "On Match of the Day on Sunday, pundit Danny Murphy questioned the appeal of the proposed European super league by saying ( and this quote isn't perfect but its accurate in meaning) " who wants to play in a closed competition year in year out with no promotion or relegation and no way to measure success or improvement other than winning it?" , and the thought struck me THE PROVINCIAL CHAMPIONSHIPS ! It seems the greedy owners of these clubs have a lot in common with the GAA hierarchy."
You could say the same thing about other sports eg Rugby 6 nations.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2276 - 21/04/2021 10:59:14    2338172

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well done realdub ye got the 6 English teams to pull out of the ESL, they were all for the break away competition until they heard the dubs don't travel and they'd have to play ye home and away in Croke Park :-)"
Haha truth is they knew they couldn't compete :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 21/04/2021 11:56:29    2338179

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Replying To galwayford:  "You could say the same thing about other sports eg Rugby 6 nations."
Oh well now rugby is a muck sport anyway- do not even know why we play it- we are a team of rooters who get carried away when we win our little competition between teh six of us every so often and we win a friendly game against some better countries and their second string teams

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 21/04/2021 12:11:44    2338181

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Replying To galwayford:  "You could say the same thing about other sports eg Rugby 6 nations."
The 6 Nations is always open to expansion and will become 7 then 8 etc, you can't just create rugby nations overnight, just look at the GAA, they've never been able expand outside Ireland to become more than a one nation game. The GAA is about local parochial tribalism, so its games will never be anything other than that, never be recognised as olympic sports or played on the international stage. There are many other games like that though, that are played by tribes in remote parts of the world, so it's not just an Irish thing.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/04/2021 12:14:05    2338182

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They're going to have a gaelic football super league too with just Dublin involved. That's how the current championship seems to be going anyway

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 21/04/2021 12:39:47    2338189

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh well now rugby is a muck sport anyway- do not even know why we play it- we are a team of rooters who get carried away when we win our little competition between teh six of us every so often and we win a friendly game against some better countries and their second string teams"
Ormo is typing....... :)

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1514 - 21/04/2021 12:46:40    2338190

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh well now rugby is a muck sport anyway- do not even know why we play it- we are a team of rooters who get carried away when we win our little competition between teh six of us every so often and we win a friendly game against some better countries and their second string teams"
You ok hun xxx
What are rooters?
The games against NZ, Oz etc in November, June are far from friendlies and certainly not against second string teams

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2609 - 21/04/2021 12:58:49    2338193

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Hi at least we could be beat now and again and sure didn't ye beat us in 2012, Tyrone gave us plenty in beatings in the 00s we've never beat Down in the championship."
And long may those great incidences continue!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 798 - 21/04/2021 13:04:49    2338195

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Finally? I've been called things in my time Greenfield but "Chemical Ali" is a new one."
Yes 'greenfield', please remember that without 'greengrass' you wouldn't exist at all. It's so ironic and so Irish to have you two guys communicating with each other!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 798 - 21/04/2021 13:07:40    2338196

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh well now rugby is a muck sport anyway- do not even know why we play it- we are a team of rooters who get carried away when we win our little competition between teh six of us every so often and we win a friendly game against some better countries and their second string teams"
I don't think Rugby is a muck sport in any shape or form, mabye its more accurate to say you just don't like it?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1412 - 21/04/2021 13:56:47    2338208

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Replying To Bon:  "I don't think Rugby is a muck sport in any shape or form, mabye its more accurate to say you just don't like it?"
Well I think it is and that's all that matters. If you think barging into people constantly is sport then off with you- not for me fair to say. But I suppose being from Kildare ye have to clutch at something seeing as the football team is atrocious. Sounds like deflection isn't it.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 21/04/2021 14:08:53    2338211

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Replying To Bon:  "I don't think Rugby is a muck sport in any shape or form, mabye its more accurate to say you just don't like it?"
As Tommy Tiernan correctly said "That's where you see lunacy let loose...... you couldn't see him walking down Grafton Street could ya " How are ya, how are ya ! :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OwGKPZcNTI

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/04/2021 14:38:11    2338215

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Replying To Bon:  "I don't think Rugby is a muck sport in any shape or form, mabye its more accurate to say you just don't like it?"
Rugby league is decent, rugby union is an awful spectacle now and it gets over the top media coverage here for the amount that actually play it. Ya have lads mullocking and creeling wan anedder and there's no sense or logic to it. Mind you they could look at the praise the 'grearest team of all time' are getting in gaelic and see how they spend most of the time passing the ball back into their own half and tippy tappying it there. Worse than useless.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 21/04/2021 14:49:44    2338216

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Replying To essmac:  "The wider issue is concentrating on an elite group and saying to h*** with the rest.

There are 2 competing views of football - either it's (i) big business or (ii) it's the heartbeat of a community.

You can go some way to merging those 2 approaches, but the risk is that, without a clear community vision, (i) always wins out."
There is some truth in what you write. I believe that the GAA is at a cross roads and there may even be split in the association in the near future. I can see the GAA pursuing their elitist agenda whereby there will only be a handful of professional counties competing for the All Ireland; this has already happened in the hurling and is well underway in football. If this is allowed to continue then I can see a number of players in the lesser/amateur counties who don't have the resources to compete reverting back to the club scene i.e. their county will be consigned to the mickey mouse lesser competitions with no possibility of promotion to the elite group so the best player will make the choice to dedicate less time to the county and instead focus on the club and maybe a bit of success and more fun with less training plus a more community based connection with their team(s).

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1449 - 21/04/2021 14:56:43    2338217

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "There is some truth in what you write. I believe that the GAA is at a cross roads and there may even be split in the association in the near future. I can see the GAA pursuing their elitist agenda whereby there will only be a handful of professional counties competing for the All Ireland; this has already happened in the hurling and is well underway in football. If this is allowed to continue then I can see a number of players in the lesser/amateur counties who don't have the resources to compete reverting back to the club scene i.e. their county will be consigned to the mickey mouse lesser competitions with no possibility of promotion to the elite group so the best player will make the choice to dedicate less time to the county and instead focus on the club and maybe a bit of success and more fun with less training plus a more community based connection with their team(s)."
I believe that the GAA is at a cross roads The problem with the GAA is they haven't left the crossroads they first stood at in 1884. What they have let happen to the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship is nothing short of disgusting at this stage, totally out of their depth, not fit for purpose. They're using Dublin as a Patsy to cover up their own ineptitude.

It's time supporters all around the country started standing up for the game, instead of pandering to inept county boards and the organisation as a whole, otherwise you are all part of the problem.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/04/2021 15:23:23    2338221

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "There is some truth in what you write. I believe that the GAA is at a cross roads and there may even be split in the association in the near future. I can see the GAA pursuing their elitist agenda whereby there will only be a handful of professional counties competing for the All Ireland; this has already happened in the hurling and is well underway in football. If this is allowed to continue then I can see a number of players in the lesser/amateur counties who don't have the resources to compete reverting back to the club scene i.e. their county will be consigned to the mickey mouse lesser competitions with no possibility of promotion to the elite group so the best player will make the choice to dedicate less time to the county and instead focus on the club and maybe a bit of success and more fun with less training plus a more community based connection with their team(s)."
It always the case in relation to hurling. The game never really took off North of a line from Balbriggan across to Tuam. Up to asbout 1955 only five counties had more that one Ireland and of them Dublin were always composed of Players from other counties. Really after Cork Tipp and Kilkenny Limerick was the only other fairly consistently strong Hurling county, with occasional flashes from Galway, Clare Laois, Waterford and Wexford. Actually since 1980 it has become somewhat more competitive.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 21/04/2021 16:00:26    2338228

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