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In the incredible run which KK had in All-Irelands from 2000 onwards, was there any player who won an All-Ireland medal and never hit a ball in a championship match? StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 26/03/2021 12:29:06 2335077 Link 0 |
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Interesting question. Well, whatever about Cody's men, I'd say quite a few of the subs on Micko's four-in-a-row and then three-in-a-row never saw championship action. Micko was very wont to make changes. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 26/03/2021 13:17:12 2335086 Link 0 |
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Not sure the answer to that but presumably anybody who got 1 would have been a great part of preparing the lads who were selected to start or came off the bench for the championship matches by their participation in training and practice games. I'm sure they put the same hours and time into the thing as those lucky enough actually to play.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 26/03/2021 13:55:05 2335097 Link 0 |
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Not sure the answer to that but presumably anybody who got 1 would have been a great part of preparing the lads who were selected to start or came off the bench for the championship matches by their participation in training and practice games. I'm sure they put the same hours and time into the thing as those lucky enough actually to play. And yes I too would gladly have sat on the bench to get a Celtic cross!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 26/03/2021 13:56:01 2335098 Link 0 |
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I wasn't trying to diss their achievement! I have no doubt about any of that, I am sure they drove the starting XV to bigger and better heights through their commitment to the county. Having hurled with a few KK lads in college who were on U21 and senior teams and panels, I know the height of the bar. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 26/03/2021 16:46:41 2335126 Link 0 |
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Thanks Forever. Yes Micko was slowish to make changes in big matches. He did bring on Willie Maher for John Egan in 84 final. Sean Walsh came on in 76 final as a sub but alot of his subs were injury forced like Ger ó Driscoll came on for Mickey Ned Ó Sullivan in 75 and scored a goal. Vincent Ó Connor came on in 79 for Johnno Keefe who was concussed. Charlie Nelligan for Paudie ó Mahony in 76.Timmy Dowd came on midfield in 86 final v Tyrone when Kerry were in big trouble and had a stormer bringing Kerry onto victory. A team could only bring on 3 subs that time.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 26/03/2021 18:36:18 2335135 Link 0 |
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It's odd you should say Kilkenny, why not any county? Anyway, the most obvious player/position to not play a championship game and win a medal is the goalkeeper. P. J. Ryan won an AI medal in 2002 as Kilkenny's reserve goalkeeper to James McGarry as an unused substitute, as Kilkenny made a clean sweep by claiming the National League, Leinster and All-Ireland titles. After that: From Wikipedia: In 2003 Ryan won his first league medal on the field of play as Kilkenny came back from eight points down to secure a stunning 5-14 to 5-13 extra-time defeat of Tipperary. On 7 June 2003 Ryan made his senior championship debut in a 3-16 to 0-10 Leinster semi-final defeat of Dublin. He was dropped to the substitutes' bench for all subsequent games, as Kilkenny went on to retain the Leinster and All-Ireland crowns. Ryan remained as an unused substitute over the next three years, but collected another two league medals, two Leinster medals and an All-Ireland medal. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 26/03/2021 18:40:34 2335138 Link 0 |
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I reckon a lad called Peter 'Chap' Cleere from Skeoughvosteen "Blacks and Whites" would fall into that category. Chap was on the senior panel but never played championship yet has All Ireland medals. He won on field Intermediate All Ireland's and an All Ireland Junior Hurling Title with the Blacks and Whites. Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 26/03/2021 19:31:55 2335140 Link 0 |
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I will go looking into the original question in more detail over coming nights...I would say other than Chap above there are quiet a few...generally subs towards 21 upwards are mere panel members (I would know having such medals myself)..I see no harm in asking the question of Kilkenny as opposed to any other counties as Kilkenny were dominant and had very large strong panels so it's a good question for a county such as Kilkenny...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 27/03/2021 01:24:15 2335166 Link 0 |
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That was exactly the reason. There was probably 4-5 Wexford lads at least who won a medal in 96 in the same category. I am not saying this from memory though as I was barely born.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 27/03/2021 13:58:36 2335187 Link 0 |
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Think it would be true of a lot of teams back in the day when less subs were allowed. Managers probably saved the substitutions for injuries which was what they were introduced for in the 1st place!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 27/03/2021 20:40:54 2335218 Link 0 |
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Barely born? Sure you were either born or you weren't....
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 29/03/2021 19:53:58 2335327 Link 1 |
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Yes, I was a few months old. Might have been a stretch for your IQ....
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 30/03/2021 16:38:47 2335384 Link 0 |
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Just look at the sizes of current panels in most counties. Basically outside of 26 the rest are on a training panel. I have heard of stupid size panels, especially underage. That said if they part of the panel and do the training they push the quality of team up. And no this respect to any players who was on a bench we know the efforts they put in. But I do not believe a large panel does anything for the quality of the the starting 15. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 31/03/2021 14:52:48 2335443 Link 0 |
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I tried researching a few of the Kilkenny teams, amazingly only starting 15 and subs used came up in the few years of All Ireland wins I did research, but I won give up as I lovel going back into teams from the past and seeing who was who and equally interesting "where are they now"...one little thing I did notice from the 3 or years of Kilkenny teams (and teams they beat) was only 2 subs were used in alot of games instead of the permitted 3 at the time...unlike now its hard follow who is on and who isnt and how a team keeps shape with so many changes must be a nightmare...I will stay rooting and see what panels I can find... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 31/03/2021 22:48:26 2335478 Link 0 |
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no luck anyone with this..I hadnt...you would need programmes... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 07/04/2021 18:01:50 2336205 Link 0 |
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Thanks for trying, I am surprised that none of our KK posters can make even an attempt!
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 08/04/2021 12:36:30 2336294 Link 0 |
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I did, and told you, P. J. Ryan.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 08/04/2021 15:24:47 2336352 Link 0 |
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There must be more than 1 though?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 08/04/2021 15:48:13 2336361 Link 0 |
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Your question was " was there any player who won an All-Ireland medal and never hit a ball in a championship match?" How many do you want? I'll take a look.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 08/04/2021 16:17:39 2336377 Link 0 |