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Replying To supersub15:  "You say, "Kilkenny hate competition so much, they wont even enter ones they cannot win." Can you give an example of one of those competitions.?"
Leinster SFC, Tailteann Cup, National Football League

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2178 - 26/03/2025 22:03:05    2598787

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I'd get rid of the mark and the palmed in goals, I hate them, not sure how you can stop a team retaining possession and playing back around in their own half to wind down the clock, the more we mess around with rules the worse it is for referees and it just ruins the game for me, the black card is still a joke."
I m of the same mind. I despise the palmed goals.Let the players punch the ball but the palmed goals are just sick and many players kind of hold the ball for a second sort of throwing the ball. Not much skill involved either.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 28 - 27/03/2025 10:12:30    2598846

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Replying To Viking66:  "Realistically there aren't any more teams likely to bring Sam home as Liam."
The more we try to level the playing field the more impossible it gets.. - sadly

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3143 - 28/03/2025 09:23:25    2599018

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16:8:8 is an inevitable split. Just a matter of time for the penny to drop with some county boards.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8634 - 28/03/2025 09:51:51    2599024

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Replying To legendzxix:  "16:8:8 is an inevitable split. Just a matter of time for the penny to drop with some county boards."
The same Co Boards have 3 or more grades of adult Club championships but think the sky will fall in if the same happened in inter County.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2178 - 28/03/2025 10:24:50    2599033

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Replying To Viking66:  "Realistically there aren't any more teams likely to bring Sam home as Liam."
Careful now Viking, they don't like hearing things like that ...

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2223 - 28/03/2025 13:29:42    2599067

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "The same Co Boards have 3 or more grades of adult Club championships but think the sky will fall in if the same happened in inter County."
As I've mentioned elsewhere: there is tiered promotion and relegation or there is tiered qualification. Either is fine really.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8634 - 28/03/2025 14:08:30    2599072

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Replying To supersub15:  "The more we try to level the playing field the more impossible it gets.. - sadly"
You must be using the wrong sand !!!

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 354 - 29/03/2025 11:25:56    2599199

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Replying To Thejampot:  "You must be using the wrong sand !!!"
I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm still LOL.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3143 - 29/03/2025 11:46:45    2599204

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Carlows hurling clubs should be playing against Killkenny clubs regularly at senior level.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0311/1035735-carlow-one-of-modern-hurlings-great-success-stories/

Imagine how much better they would be if there clubs had a cross border competition every year v Kilkenny clubs.

Carlow clubs could play in the Killkenny championship and still keep two weeks free for their own hurling championship.

The reality in Hurling is Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp have spent a hundred years happy to win a competition that only 7 or 8 teams can play in.
Kilkenny hate competition so much, they wont even enter ones they cannot win."
I doubt that very much, historically Kilkenny have a better track record than some other counties.

The same accusation could be made against some hurling counties don't you think,?

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3143 - 29/03/2025 12:02:11    2599207

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Leinster SFC, Tailteann Cup, National Football League"
It's called "cutting your cloth to measure."

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3143 - 29/03/2025 12:04:07    2599208

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Replying To supersub15:  "I doubt that very much, historically Kilkenny have a better track record than some other counties.

The same accusation could be made against some hurling counties don't you think,?"
Kilkenny help out Carlow hurling, but not at senior level.
All of the other "traditional" hurling counties talk about growing the game, but do nothing to help a bordering weaker county (the football counties don't assist weaker counties either).
The other Hurling counties at least field a senior county football team, no matter how bad the effort, the effort is still there.
Kilkenny stand out above all others in their refusal to field a senior intercounty team in both GAA field sports.
Even Leitrim enter national leagues in Hurling and football, despite having a population less than the capacity of Nowlan Park.
If the GAA were serious about counties promoting both sports, Killkenny wouldn't be allowed to enter the hurling league and championship for refusing to enter the football versions.
The fact that they are permitted to do so, allowing them to focus all of their considerable resources on one intercounty panel, gives them a competitive advantage over all others. The Hurling roll of honor shows how successful this policy works. Since they gave up football, they have overtaken Cork and Tipp to become the most successful hurling county - in this same time, Cork won an all ireland in football and Tipp reached 2 semi finals

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1284 - 31/03/2025 18:12:10    2599785

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kilkenny help out Carlow hurling, but not at senior level.
All of the other "traditional" hurling counties talk about growing the game, but do nothing to help a bordering weaker county (the football counties don't assist weaker counties either).
The other Hurling counties at least field a senior county football team, no matter how bad the effort, the effort is still there.
Kilkenny stand out above all others in their refusal to field a senior intercounty team in both GAA field sports.
Even Leitrim enter national leagues in Hurling and football, despite having a population less than the capacity of Nowlan Park.
If the GAA were serious about counties promoting both sports, Killkenny wouldn't be allowed to enter the hurling league and championship for refusing to enter the football versions.
The fact that they are permitted to do so, allowing them to focus all of their considerable resources on one intercounty panel, gives them a competitive advantage over all others. The Hurling roll of honor shows how successful this policy works. Since they gave up football, they have overtaken Cork and Tipp to become the most successful hurling county - in this same time, Cork won an all ireland in football and Tipp reached 2 semi finals"
Kilkenny aren't a particularly rich GAA county tbh. They spent less than Mayo on their intercounty teams, and their Footballers play most of their games against UK opponents. Not sure the Mayo Board spent too much on their hurlers either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15241 - 31/03/2025 19:22:20    2599798

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kilkenny help out Carlow hurling, but not at senior level.
All of the other "traditional" hurling counties talk about growing the game, but do nothing to help a bordering weaker county (the football counties don't assist weaker counties either).
The other Hurling counties at least field a senior county football team, no matter how bad the effort, the effort is still there.
Kilkenny stand out above all others in their refusal to field a senior intercounty team in both GAA field sports.
Even Leitrim enter national leagues in Hurling and football, despite having a population less than the capacity of Nowlan Park.
If the GAA were serious about counties promoting both sports, Killkenny wouldn't be allowed to enter the hurling league and championship for refusing to enter the football versions.
The fact that they are permitted to do so, allowing them to focus all of their considerable resources on one intercounty panel, gives them a competitive advantage over all others. The Hurling roll of honor shows how successful this policy works. Since they gave up football, they have overtaken Cork and Tipp to become the most successful hurling county - in this same time, Cork won an all ireland in football and Tipp reached 2 semi finals"
Paint it whatever you like, but fact of the matter is that there's still far more football played in Kilkenny than there is hurling in umpteen other counties.

Also, Kilkenny do indeed enter inter-county football competition, at the appropriate level. Granted, it's "only" the A Junior Championship involving teams from the UK and USA, but the fact that they're alone in that while "proper" tiered competitions can be held in hurling is a sign in itself of how so many other counties neglect hurling so much.

If 31 counties made the effort in hurling that 31 counties do in football, then the outlier would have no choice but to enter some low-level competition like that as well.

It's only because so many counties put so little effort into hurling that you can have a Hurling League Div. 3 or 4 or Nickey Rackard or Lory Meagher Cup with six or eight teams of broadly equal standard.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2798 - 31/03/2025 19:41:23    2599807

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kilkenny help out Carlow hurling, but not at senior level.
All of the other "traditional" hurling counties talk about growing the game, but do nothing to help a bordering weaker county (the football counties don't assist weaker counties either).
The other Hurling counties at least field a senior county football team, no matter how bad the effort, the effort is still there.
Kilkenny stand out above all others in their refusal to field a senior intercounty team in both GAA field sports.
Even Leitrim enter national leagues in Hurling and football, despite having a population less than the capacity of Nowlan Park.
If the GAA were serious about counties promoting both sports, Killkenny wouldn't be allowed to enter the hurling league and championship for refusing to enter the football versions.
The fact that they are permitted to do so, allowing them to focus all of their considerable resources on one intercounty panel, gives them a competitive advantage over all others. The Hurling roll of honor shows how successful this policy works. Since they gave up football, they have overtaken Cork and Tipp to become the most successful hurling county - in this same time, Cork won an all ireland in football and Tipp reached 2 semi finals"
If we lived in an ideal world all sort of stuff would be possible but unfortunately we don't live in one.

The smallest of problems seem to be a mountain to climb.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3143 - 01/04/2025 09:44:24    2599877

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kilkenny help out Carlow hurling, but not at senior level.
All of the other "traditional" hurling counties talk about growing the game, but do nothing to help a bordering weaker county (the football counties don't assist weaker counties either).
The other Hurling counties at least field a senior county football team, no matter how bad the effort, the effort is still there.
Kilkenny stand out above all others in their refusal to field a senior intercounty team in both GAA field sports.
Even Leitrim enter national leagues in Hurling and football, despite having a population less than the capacity of Nowlan Park.
If the GAA were serious about counties promoting both sports, Killkenny wouldn't be allowed to enter the hurling league and championship for refusing to enter the football versions.
The fact that they are permitted to do so, allowing them to focus all of their considerable resources on one intercounty panel, gives them a competitive advantage over all others. The Hurling roll of honor shows how successful this policy works. Since they gave up football, they have overtaken Cork and Tipp to become the most successful hurling county - in this same time, Cork won an all ireland in football and Tipp reached 2 semi finals"
Completely agree. I never agreed with Kilkenny getting a pass for not fielding a football team. And there's been feck all discussion about it since at a national level. They shouldn't be getting any money from Croke Park to develop hurling that's for sure.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1232 - 01/04/2025 10:05:02    2599881

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