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Cillian O'connor POTY

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Gooch would have done more damage if he wasn't fouled.

2002 Gooch was in his first year and he got 2 points in that years finals.

Star Donaghy has 4:06 from play in 7 finals not bad for the big fella."
Donaghy always showed up when needed to be fair to him.

One of the all time greats in terms of impact when his team needed him.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 27/02/2021 12:48:12    2332891

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Cooper was always able to manufacture a free. He made the most of his slight stature and would go to ground handy enough. Between himself and Donaghy and the roasting the referees ears I'd say it was an in-house plot to approach things in that way.
That seems to be the Kerry approach or the Kerry way if you like. Give out and complain all you can when you can't have your way. A bit like the schoolyard bully if you like.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/02/2021 13:24:17    2332893

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Replying To catch22:  "Cooper was always able to manufacture a free. He made the most of his slight stature and would go to ground handy enough. Between himself and Donaghy and the roasting the referees ears I'd say it was an in-house plot to approach things in that way.
That seems to be the Kerry approach or the Kerry way if you like. Give out and complain all you can when you can't have your way. A bit like the schoolyard bully if you like."
Absolute rubbish,, the gooch got dogs abuse whenever he played, leaving a pitch once with burn marks around his throat, eye gouged, knocked unconscious after getting kneed in the head, not to mention the god awful sledging, kicked in the groin in the 2006 final etc.
He was a marked man throughout his career and I've never heard him moan once about it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1732 - 27/02/2021 14:31:46    2332895

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Donaghy always showed up when needed to be fair to him.

One of the all time greats in terms of impact when his team needed him."
Aye he was a good 1 for sure, he had great hands and the heart of a Giant.

On the Connolly incident in the league final in 2017, the foul from Lyne on Connolly happened at 25:08 on the clock Crowley arrived on the pitch to replace Lyne at 26:38 (a minute and 30 secs later and Connolly foul Crowley on 27:36 that's 2mins and 28 secs, thats a long tíme for Red mist tó linger.

Considering how fast our game is and how early in the game the incident (where Connolly got fouled) happened and the fact dublin had a nice lead at the time and considering Lyne got dismissed and dublin got a point out of the free it boggles the mind what he was at fouling Crowley for he should have been over the moon not angry.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 27/02/2021 15:21:19    2332904

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Donaghy always showed up when needed to be fair to him.

One of the all time greats in terms of impact when his team needed him."
He did indeed and although not the most skilful footballer around, in my lifetime he was definately the most influential full forward I have seen play. Any team that played him man to man paid the price. Also he probably not the most popular with Dublin Mayo Cork etc but as a guy I worked with said he was one of those players people liked watching.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 27/02/2021 15:54:49    2332911

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would disagree with you completely on Sean Ó Shea Username. You can say I've my Kerry hat on but if you watch it closely it's a clumsy challenge but definately not cynical. As a matter of fact Paddy Small was going down the sideline with little chance of scoring and Ó Shea was disgusted with the free as it gave a top class free taker like Rock a free shot to win game. A cynical foul like that would be to prevent a certain score not give the opposition a better chance of scoring. The foul of Tadhg Morley who was through on goal was far more cynical as it stopped a near certain goal. A cynical foul is done to gain an advantage not to give away the advantage and the Ó Shea free gave Dublin a bigger advantage. On Connolly black card in the league final v Kerry it was silly. The ball was nt even there. It was as he said himself frustration or a rush of blood. As Ive stated though a few mins earlier he was the victim of a cynical foul himself when going through. On Fitzmaurice yes he was a great planner but slow to change when things were going wrong. On the dark arts I don't think everyone needs them although the sad thing is its definately an advantage but I do think every team needs a few players that use dark arts alright."
I think we would agree to differ there Mick. I think young Sean knew what he was doing and why he did it, it was a professional foul. Every team does it to an extent, I thought it was quite clever of Sean and i thought away from the professional foul bit, it showed good leadership, game awareness and want to even be in that position. I thought Cork Vs Kerry this year was a very cynical game, both teams with defensive systems and if they were caught on the break or out of shape both teams were prepared to give a free away in the middle so they could reshape, was still an entertaining game mind. My point really wasn't about whataboutery, or semantics, everyone will have a definition of cynical or maybe professional foul is more apt adjective. Seans a quality player, so my post is not meant to besmirch him. All opinions at the end of the day.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/02/2021 16:49:42    2332926

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I think we would agree to differ there Mick. I think young Sean knew what he was doing and why he did it, it was a professional foul. Every team does it to an extent, I thought it was quite clever of Sean and i thought away from the professional foul bit, it showed good leadership, game awareness and want to even be in that position. I thought Cork Vs Kerry this year was a very cynical game, both teams with defensive systems and if they were caught on the break or out of shape both teams were prepared to give a free away in the middle so they could reshape, was still an entertaining game mind. My point really wasn't about whataboutery, or semantics, everyone will have a definition of cynical or maybe professional foul is more apt adjective. Seans a quality player, so my post is not meant to besmirch him. All opinions at the end of the day."
Oh look we all see things different but I just watched that incident again this morn and for me he fouled him kinda by accident if you watch the replay. For me by foiling he gave Dublin a better chance of scoring so if it was tactical it was nt a bright move but no worries anyway Username.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 27/02/2021 17:04:56    2332932

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Aye he was a good 1 for sure, he had great hands and the heart of a Giant.

On the Connolly incident in the league final in 2017, the foul from Lyne on Connolly happened at 25:08 on the clock Crowley arrived on the pitch to replace Lyne at 26:38 (a minute and 30 secs later and Connolly foul Crowley on 27:36 that's 2mins and 28 secs, thats a long tíme for Red mist tó linger.

Considering how fast our game is and how early in the game the incident (where Connolly got fouled) happened and the fact dublin had a nice lead at the time and considering Lyne got dismissed and dublin got a point out of the free it boggles the mind what he was at fouling Crowley for he should have been over the moon not angry."
A lot of hindsight and "considering" in that paragraph, maybe Connolly should have sat down and discussed it with you before he acted.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 686 - 27/02/2021 17:15:37    2332936

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Replying To sligo joe:  "A lot of hindsight and "considering" in that paragraph, maybe Connolly should have sat down and discussed it with you before he acted."
Thanks bud, I put a lot of work into that post and it's nice to know it was appreciated, you know if my posts can reach just 1 dub and maybe open his or hers mind just a little then it makes it all worth while :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 27/02/2021 19:26:20    2332961

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Did Colm Cooper ever win the POTY ?
Don't remember him getting the award. You would think he would have at least won it once seeing as how highly he seems to be ranked by some.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/02/2021 20:10:46    2332969

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Replying To catch22:  "Did Colm Cooper ever win the POTY ?
Don't remember him getting the award. You would think he would have at least won it once seeing as how highly he seems to be ranked by some."
Google it sure and you'll find out Tommy :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 27/02/2021 22:01:31    2332988

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Colm Gooch Cooper won Texaco player of the year in 2004.He also won 8 all stars. Not a bad innings.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 27/02/2021 23:32:17    2333017

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Google it sure and you'll find out Tommy :-)"
Bit like yourself Tommy , I can't work the Google.
Maybe you could look up the machine and enlighten us.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/02/2021 23:56:02    2333019

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Colm Gooch Cooper won Texaco player of the year in 2004.He also won 8 all stars. Not a bad innings."
Absolutely, a fantastic player, not just kerry, but gaelic football itself was lucky to have had him.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1732 - 28/02/2021 08:45:02    2333028

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Oh right, so not the award that's voted for by the players themselves. Wonder why ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 28/02/2021 13:56:55    2333069

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Absolutely, a fantastic player, not just kerry, but gaelic football itself was lucky to have had him."
For sure Galway. The texaco awards were such a prestigious award which covered all irish sports the lists of winners were the creme the lá creme. In Huling winners included for Kilkenny D. J. Carey Sheffkin Eddie Keher Noel Skehan. For Galway Joe Connolly The great Tony Keady (r. I. p) Tipps Babs Keating and of course the great Nicky English Pat Fox and John Doyle. Corks John Fenton Sean OgOffalys Brian Whelehan. Football Dublin winnersincludedJimmy Keaveney The Brogans. Kerry had Micko Dwyer and Micko Connell Jacko Shea Pat Spillane Séamus Moynihan the maestro Maurice Fitzgerald and Colm the Gooch Cooper. Meath ó Rourke and Martin Ó Connell. Tyrone Seán Kavanagh and Peter The Great Canavan. Armagh conductor Kieran McGeeney. Downs Mickey Linden and Galway Michael Donnollen and Pádraig Joyce and many many more great winners. All true Garlic legends.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 28/02/2021 16:29:10    2333093

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Absolute rubbish,, the gooch got dogs abuse whenever he played, leaving a pitch once with burn marks around his throat, eye gouged, knocked unconscious after getting kneed in the head, not to mention the god awful sledging, kicked in the groin in the 2006 final etc.
He was a marked man throughout his career and I've never heard him moan once about it."
I have to agree, the Gooch was an easy target because he was so light that he got kicked around the place but as a neutral he was brilliant to watch, Cillian is an excellent forward and is very effective and hard working but he wouldn't have the style and flare of a Michael Meehan Jamie Clarke or a Gooch or Clifford Canavan or mulligan players that can do the extraordinary, you wouldn't have too many kids wanting to grow up to be a Cillian O'Connor whereas all children would love to grow up to be a Meehan or a Clifford or a Gooch Canavan Clarke or mulligan.

Johnnyprophet (Galway) - Posts: 39 - 28/02/2021 16:42:51    2333094

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "For sure Galway. The texaco awards were such a prestigious award which covered all irish sports the lists of winners were the creme the lá creme. In Huling winners included for Kilkenny D. J. Carey Sheffkin Eddie Keher Noel Skehan. For Galway Joe Connolly The great Tony Keady (r. I. p) Tipps Babs Keating and of course the great Nicky English Pat Fox and John Doyle. Corks John Fenton Sean OgOffalys Brian Whelehan. Football Dublin winnersincludedJimmy Keaveney The Brogans. Kerry had Micko Dwyer and Micko Connell Jacko Shea Pat Spillane Séamus Moynihan the maestro Maurice Fitzgerald and Colm the Gooch Cooper. Meath ó Rourke and Martin Ó Connell. Tyrone Seán Kavanagh and Peter The Great Canavan. Armagh conductor Kieran McGeeney. Downs Mickey Linden and Galway Michael Donnollen and Pádraig Joyce and many many more great winners. All true Garlic legends."
Meant gaelic legends not "garlic" lol

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 28/02/2021 16:58:24    2333096

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You'd have to think the players probably know best when it comes to this sort of award though.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 28/02/2021 17:31:49    2333098

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Replying To Johnnyprophet:  "I have to agree, the Gooch was an easy target because he was so light that he got kicked around the place but as a neutral he was brilliant to watch, Cillian is an excellent forward and is very effective and hard working but he wouldn't have the style and flare of a Michael Meehan Jamie Clarke or a Gooch or Clifford Canavan or mulligan players that can do the extraordinary, you wouldn't have too many kids wanting to grow up to be a Cillian O'Connor whereas all children would love to grow up to be a Meehan or a Clifford or a Gooch Canavan Clarke or mulligan."
Some backline would be needed to mark those guys.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 28/02/2021 18:14:05    2333106

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