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I agree a good summary of him, a really nice elegant stylish player, lovely talent. But the "thing" about him, maybe its just all about himself which is fair enough, but it is not a term of endearment.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 21/02/2021 16:28:21 2332301 Link 1 |
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Fenton was not that good in the final , Diarmuid O Connor had the better of him for most of the game, and he didn't even get a nomination for an all star, it was only when Howard came on that Dublin won midfield jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 408 - 21/02/2021 17:40:38 2332309 Link 2 |
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All about himself. The man covers more ground tracking back and tackles more than any forward in the game. The polar opposite of all about himself is it not? I don't want to get into silly arguments with multiple posters but there is no doubt a lot of people on here are sickened he had a brilliant year......again!!
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 21/02/2021 18:38:54 2332317 Link 12 |
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Cillian is a very unselfish player. Always passes to a man in a better position when it's on. There are a few mayo forwards I can think of who had/have a greedy streak in them i.e. shoot on sight merchants.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 21/02/2021 19:02:45 2332321 Link 0 |
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Yes and No.! 2 nominess from one county splits the vote for the county they are from as such. The Mayo boys will all vote for Cillian one would think but the rest of the country just vote for who they think was best.it can work many ways. Obviously Dublin were mixed in their vote between Ciarán and Brian but many of the country players that voted for Kilkenny for example might have voted for Cillian over Brian if Kilkenny was nt nominated. It can work many ways.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 21/02/2021 20:20:03 2332334 Link 1 |
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Cillian Ó Connor is an enigma. He is a super scorer but probably does nt get the credit he deserves. I live in Dublin and he just is nt liked by most Dublin people I know. He is highly regarded up north and Munster people I know but again not that popular in the west either. However as you can see even the Dublin posters here that admit they not too fond of him have high admiration for him. I have to admit a few years back I thought he was mainly a free taker but I was wrong. He is serious footballer and amazing for a guy with no all ireland he is the all time top scorer.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 21/02/2021 20:31:08 2332337 Link 1 |
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Look the fact is, you win an All Ireland and the whole view of a player and team changes....Cillian won't be respected or indeed any Mayo players by people outside Mayo until we win an all Ireland...that's a fact. Harsh maybe but it's the truth. It is thrown at us Mayo fans time and again but I've given up caring. Cillian indeed play on the edge and sometimes over it...I remember my club playing against him and no being happy with some of what he was at a few years ago... That said name me an team that win Sam without a sly so and and so...dark arts master etc. For years Mayo were shouted at for being "nice guys" "fellas you'd like to see your daughter come home with" etc etc...we got beat out the gate in some Croke Park games...that does not happen anymore...we are competitive and at the business end of championship most years...so you keep putting your leaf into that position you give yourself a great chance...some day. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11241 - 22/02/2021 08:29:50 2332388 Link 9 |
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Yes, you are right if one county has two nominees, the vote in that county is split, a disadvantage to both, simple as. You finishing line is valid whether the three nominees are from three different counties or two of them are from the same county l.e three nominees, three choices. If there are two nominees from one county, it splits their home county vote, a disadvantage.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 686 - 22/02/2021 08:48:27 2332390 Link 2 |
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I don't think it's true that Mayo lads won't be respected outside Mayo. Plenty of people have huge admiration for Keegan, Higgins, Durcan. I don't respect O'Connor as I think he is a dirty player. Same as Small for Dublin, Clifford for Kerry, Murphy for Donegal etc.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 22/02/2021 10:43:37 2332405 Link 2 |
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I love the way you have put Lee Keegan, our true master of the dark arts in a separate category to random players who you think are dirty. Pure banter.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 22/02/2021 11:02:03 2332410 Link 10 |
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There's a big difference between being a dirty player and a player that isn't necessarily dirty but that pushes his luck. I don't think I've ever seen him lead with an elbow or strike someone's face but you'd know more than I would on that score.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 22/02/2021 11:15:31 2332414 Link 2 |
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Some of the best games over the last ten years involved Mayo. Also since Horan took over in 2011 they have been tough but fair and so entertaining. Only for a few dubious ref decisions I'm convinced Mayo would have won at least one all ireland so they definately have my respect. For years Dublin feared Kerry and Meath and did nt respect Mayo but nowadays Dublin hardly think of Meath and have have had it a little easier v Kerry than Mayo. Over the last ten years my Dublin friends had a serious dislike and sort of fear of Mayo. Now that comes from respect. Dublin know Mayo should ve beaten them at least once so Mayo deffo have their respect. On Cillian! All counties have players other counties don't like. In an underhand way it's a sort of compliment as it means he in their heads. When you forge a rivalry that happens. I'm sure there's players you don't like. Most of my Dub pals dislike Cillian and Aidan Ó Shea and Keegan but that's a compliment. Mayo fans can hold their heads up high. Sometimes medals don't tell the whole story. In reality (and I'm a fanatical Kerryman) Mayo were the only team really to spook the Dubs over this period of dominance. Ti's Mayo team will be remembered and rightly so.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 22/02/2021 11:46:09 2332419 Link 1 |
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Cillain O'Connor went missing in the 2nd half of the final when he was needed most, a great man to kick scores in an open game like it was in the 1st half. TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 22/02/2021 13:14:29 2332432 Link 3 |
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A great man to kick 9 points, 4 from play, in an All Ireland final but went missing when needed most apparently. Just about sums up the logic of his critics. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 22/02/2021 14:12:12 2332440 Link 2 |
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Look Bishop. Everyone can turn the picture to suit.ill give examples. 1.Diarmuid Connolly. A class act? Yes for sure but his scoring rate in all ireland finals is very poor for a forward. Scoreless I think in 3 finals(one from full forward) but this is rarely mentioned. Gooch on the other hand is often spoken about as having a poor record against Tyrone and Armagh in finals (mostly by brolly) but that's pure b. s. as his scoring record against those teams was top notch and his scoring in all ireland finals alone is something like 4 - 33.Finally D. J. Carey people often said he could nt do it in all ireland finals and could score from play. More BS. Check the statistics. When one focuses in on one player same see the positives and some the negatives but stats don't lie. Blaming Cillian Ó Connor is wrong.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 22/02/2021 14:21:34 2332443 Link 0 |
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Players are great when they are winning but found wanting when they re losing. I've heard it many a time from all county supporters and sometimes players biggest critics are their own supporters. Comments I've heard over the years are hilarious now. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 22/02/2021 14:24:58 2332444 Link 1 |
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Cillain O'Connor had a poor 2nd half, barely got on the ball. People can defend him all they want but thats the truth, he's supposed to be Mayo's star forward so its not as if they weren't looking to get him on the ball. TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 22/02/2021 16:09:26 2332455 Link 4 |
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Yeah I mean we were on top in the second half with all the possession in the world and he didn't want to know. You are so right man. How come we all missed that? You should go into management. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 22/02/2021 16:29:02 2332458 Link 8 |
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Maybe or maybe not but he was in the top 3forwards in the championship this year. On the all star forwards this year he is a better forward than Niall Scully Conor Sweeney and on a par with Dean Rock. Not as good as Kilkenny imo but a better scorer and not as good as Ó Callaghan but no shame in that either.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3680 - 22/02/2021 16:31:59 2332459 Link 0 |
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Like in 2016 when they were a point down 5 minutes into injury time in the final and he went out to midfield, called for the ball, did a 1-2, then a shimmy and pinged it over from 50 yards to force a replay? Yeah can't engineer a score in a big game. You are right pal.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 22/02/2021 16:37:20 2332460 Link 9 |