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This is honestly a desperate plea to save our game over the next 20-30 years. It will ultimately define it in 30-40 years .
It simply has to place more emphasis on club competitions. This year is a brilliant opportunity to once again play an entire club season with no inter county distractions. When localities are opened back up, record crowds will flock to local games and local events creating a massive community buzz, and the club provincials and all Ireland could be marketed to a much bigger extent. Young kids grow up wanting to play for Dublin or Kerry now, not their club which is what it's all about and it is a shame players feel this way. Who you are and where you come from can be put back into the Gaa momentarily, but it will slowly fade and although it's sad it's true.
Ultimately if the same situation that is happening now is to follow over many years, I guarantee you, Dublin will eventually do to the all ireland what they've done to Leinster. Kerry just might, a very slight chance sneak one or two but everyone would've thought meant would do the same , nobody thought Dublin and Meath rivalry would become what it has, it's a joke.
The positives to this are endless. No splitting Dublin as the clubs do this already, and you can still let Dublin Gaa continue and be Dublin. Look how many top teams are in London, Manchester etc except they will be in the same competition as kilmacud, Crossmaglen, Dr Crokes, Corofin. You can have fantastic rivalries build up like Rovers/Bohs
I can't express how worried I am for Gaa and our future kids and GAA members especially in the weaker counties. Mickey Harte has come on to mine and gave a lift(on nice expenses no doubt), but it's not a long term solution.
How can the top brass not see this. Are they really content to leave the legacy of destroying the GAA cause that is what they are doing.
And anyone who comes back with amateur ethos can do one, a lot of professional athletes do jobs now as business people and are highly intelligent and gifted people along with their training. And GAA players train every bit as much as them, sometimes more and harder, much to their detriment as they don't have the correct knowledge.
This is not a slight at Dublin. Kerry are every bit as professional as Dublin and it would've been a great game this year, but the rest of the counties really don't stand a chance and anyone telling themselves other wise is only fooling themselves.
The GAA need to set up an all Ireland club league and charge a subscription, and let the submissions flow from clubs and counties in, you would be amazed at what sponsors would buy into a brand new competition , structure it randomly, hone and away games and let relegation and promotion sort itself within 10/15 years. Now you would have some mailings in the early years, say my club Geraldines were up against Ballymun in the first year of random groupings, but we would get relegated and Bally min get promoted and within 5-6 years your leagues would even out. You could think about restricting it to provincials but I think it's best to go all Ireland.let European cities enter, imagin your club gonna to play an away game in the league against Berlin, sure the players would be willing to pay expenses themselves.
Have these same clubs play a fa cup (Sam Maguire) straight knock out. Leave what's left in the counties to play their junior intermediate and senior championships, maybe you could enter the fa cup at at a smaller fee and you may have. A fairytale story once in a blue moon of the "non league team' getting far.
I cannot understand why they won't go to a similar set up to league of Ireland. The stadia are there, the crowds will go, not many away fans but home fans will go.
The money is certainly there too as there are junior clubs playing half a years salary to their manager in so called weaker counties.
That's my rant and I'd love to see flaws, please don't berate me. A sad factor of this is the number of talented GAA players not seen on the national stage from Dublin is huge as they can only field 15, and the opportunities they are missing out on as a result is unfair.
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Replying To Frederick: "This is honestly a desperate plea to save our game over the next 20-30 years. It will ultimately define it in 30-40 years .
It simply has to place more emphasis on club competitions. This year is a brilliant opportunity to once again play an entire club season with no inter county distractions. When localities are opened back up, record crowds will flock to local games and local events creating a massive community buzz, and the club provincials and all Ireland could be marketed to a much bigger extent. Young kids grow up wanting to play for Dublin or Kerry now, not their club which is what it's all about and it is a shame players feel this way. Who you are and where you come from can be put back into the Gaa momentarily, but it will slowly fade and although it's sad it's true.
Ultimately if the same situation that is happening now is to follow over many years, I guarantee you, Dublin will eventually do to the all ireland what they've done to Leinster. Kerry just might, a very slight chance sneak one or two but everyone would've thought meant would do the same , nobody thought Dublin and Meath rivalry would become what it has, it's a joke.
The positives to this are endless. No splitting Dublin as the clubs do this already, and you can still let Dublin Gaa continue and be Dublin. Look how many top teams are in London, Manchester etc except they will be in the same competition as kilmacud, Crossmaglen, Dr Crokes, Corofin. You can have fantastic rivalries build up like Rovers/Bohs
I can't express how worried I am for Gaa and our future kids and GAA members especially in the weaker counties. Mickey Harte has come on to mine and gave a lift(on nice expenses no doubt), but it's not a long term solution.
How can the top brass not see this. Are they really content to leave the legacy of destroying the GAA cause that is what they are doing.
And anyone who comes back with amateur ethos can do one, a lot of professional athletes do jobs now as business people and are highly intelligent and gifted people along with their training. And GAA players train every bit as much as them, sometimes more and harder, much to their detriment as they don't have the correct knowledge.
This is not a slight at Dublin. Kerry are every bit as professional as Dublin and it would've been a great game this year, but the rest of the counties really don't stand a chance and anyone telling themselves other wise is only fooling themselves.
The GAA need to set up an all Ireland club league and charge a subscription, and let the submissions flow from clubs and counties in, you would be amazed at what sponsors would buy into a brand new competition , structure it randomly, hone and away games and let relegation and promotion sort itself within 10/15 years. Now you would have some mailings in the early years, say my club Geraldines were up against Ballymun in the first year of random groupings, but we would get relegated and Bally min get promoted and within 5-6 years your leagues would even out. You could think about restricting it to provincials but I think it's best to go all Ireland.let European cities enter, imagin your club gonna to play an away game in the league against Berlin, sure the players would be willing to pay expenses themselves.
Have these same clubs play a fa cup (Sam Maguire) straight knock out. Leave what's left in the counties to play their junior intermediate and senior championships, maybe you could enter the fa cup at at a smaller fee and you may have. A fairytale story once in a blue moon of the "non league team' getting far.
I cannot understand why they won't go to a similar set up to league of Ireland. The stadia are there, the crowds will go, not many away fans but home fans will go.
The money is certainly there too as there are junior clubs playing half a years salary to their manager in so called weaker counties.
That's my rant and I'd love to see flaws, please don't berate me. A sad factor of this is the number of talented GAA players not seen on the national stage from Dublin is huge as they can only field 15, and the opportunities they are missing out on as a result is unfair." Are you seriously suggesting that there isn't a fortune being spent on club teams some almost in excess of county teams??? There is more money flowing out of the association each year to paid manager at club level than what is being spent on county teams
Address the under the county payments that is the key
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Replying To ArmaghCat: "Are you seriously suggesting that there isn't a fortune being spent on club teams some almost in excess of county teams??? There is more money flowing out of the association each year to paid manager at club level than what is being spent on county teams
Address the under the county payments that is the key" That's exactly what I'm saying. And you can't address them, hence why their under the table, some fellas are cleaning up, but fair play to them , it's the top brass that annoy me not seeing the bigger picture.
Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 19/02/2021 18:53:33
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Replying To Frederick: "This is honestly a desperate plea to save our game over the next 20-30 years. It will ultimately define it in 30-40 years .
It simply has to place more emphasis on club competitions. This year is a brilliant opportunity to once again play an entire club season with no inter county distractions. When localities are opened back up, record crowds will flock to local games and local events creating a massive community buzz, and the club provincials and all Ireland could be marketed to a much bigger extent. Young kids grow up wanting to play for Dublin or Kerry now, not their club which is what it's all about and it is a shame players feel this way. Who you are and where you come from can be put back into the Gaa momentarily, but it will slowly fade and although it's sad it's true.
Ultimately if the same situation that is happening now is to follow over many years, I guarantee you, Dublin will eventually do to the all ireland what they've done to Leinster. Kerry just might, a very slight chance sneak one or two but everyone would've thought meant would do the same , nobody thought Dublin and Meath rivalry would become what it has, it's a joke.
The positives to this are endless. No splitting Dublin as the clubs do this already, and you can still let Dublin Gaa continue and be Dublin. Look how many top teams are in London, Manchester etc except they will be in the same competition as kilmacud, Crossmaglen, Dr Crokes, Corofin. You can have fantastic rivalries build up like Rovers/Bohs
I can't express how worried I am for Gaa and our future kids and GAA members especially in the weaker counties. Mickey Harte has come on to mine and gave a lift(on nice expenses no doubt), but it's not a long term solution.
How can the top brass not see this. Are they really content to leave the legacy of destroying the GAA cause that is what they are doing.
And anyone who comes back with amateur ethos can do one, a lot of professional athletes do jobs now as business people and are highly intelligent and gifted people along with their training. And GAA players train every bit as much as them, sometimes more and harder, much to their detriment as they don't have the correct knowledge.
This is not a slight at Dublin. Kerry are every bit as professional as Dublin and it would've been a great game this year, but the rest of the counties really don't stand a chance and anyone telling themselves other wise is only fooling themselves.
The GAA need to set up an all Ireland club league and charge a subscription, and let the submissions flow from clubs and counties in, you would be amazed at what sponsors would buy into a brand new competition , structure it randomly, hone and away games and let relegation and promotion sort itself within 10/15 years. Now you would have some mailings in the early years, say my club Geraldines were up against Ballymun in the first year of random groupings, but we would get relegated and Bally min get promoted and within 5-6 years your leagues would even out. You could think about restricting it to provincials but I think it's best to go all Ireland.let European cities enter, imagin your club gonna to play an away game in the league against Berlin, sure the players would be willing to pay expenses themselves.
Have these same clubs play a fa cup (Sam Maguire) straight knock out. Leave what's left in the counties to play their junior intermediate and senior championships, maybe you could enter the fa cup at at a smaller fee and you may have. A fairytale story once in a blue moon of the "non league team' getting far.
I cannot understand why they won't go to a similar set up to league of Ireland. The stadia are there, the crowds will go, not many away fans but home fans will go.
The money is certainly there too as there are junior clubs playing half a years salary to their manager in so called weaker counties.
That's my rant and I'd love to see flaws, please don't berate me. A sad factor of this is the number of talented GAA players not seen on the national stage from Dublin is huge as they can only field 15, and the opportunities they are missing out on as a result is unfair." Good Post - That LOI idea would be great - like 5 Dublin teams/clubs, 2 Cork etc. To start, I think the standard T20 cricket structure could work - 8 teams, 14 games, 4 to KO - could have multiple National tiers and then lower Provincial tiers below that - to be honest, I wouldn't mind the elites playing pro - would be great to see multiple Dublin clones going head to head - there could be plenty of local community amateur fare as well at the Provincial, Multi-Neighbouring-County, or Single County levels.
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Replying To omahant: "Good Post - That LOI idea would be great - like 5 Dublin teams/clubs, 2 Cork etc. To start, I think the standard T20 cricket structure could work - 8 teams, 14 games, 4 to KO - could have multiple National tiers and then lower Provincial tiers below that - to be honest, I wouldn't mind the elites playing pro - would be great to see multiple Dublin clones going head to head - there could be plenty of local community amateur fare as well at the Provincial, Multi-Neighbouring-County, or Single County levels." Yeah huge potential for this. i love the Dublin Senior Championships run as double headers in Parnell Park great way to spend time, good crowds and great atmosphere. Think what it would be like with a true All Ireland Club competition?
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Absolutely, its just annoying as the game we all love I genuinely feel is in trouble and there is a great chance now for a fresh start with with it all going to reopen in next 6 months.
If they go back to what it was the game could be in trouble in 20 years.
If an all ireland club scene was correctly structured and marketed, it would be unbelievable, and reading the forum on one club recently made by a poster from Down, this idea seems more obvious. The small rural clubs will simply have to amalgamate rather than let them die the slow deaths they are at the minute.
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Replying To Frederick: "That's exactly what I'm saying. And you can't address them, hence why their under the table, some fellas are cleaning up, but fair play to them , it's the top brass that annoy me not seeing the bigger picture." Your post (contents) would go a long way to "Level the playing field" Great post.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 24/02/2021 11:04:26
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Replying To Frederick: "This is honestly a desperate plea to save our game over the next 20-30 years. It will ultimately define it in 30-40 years .
It simply has to place more emphasis on club competitions. This year is a brilliant opportunity to once again play an entire club season with no inter county distractions. When localities are opened back up, record crowds will flock to local games and local events creating a massive community buzz, and the club provincials and all Ireland could be marketed to a much bigger extent. Young kids grow up wanting to play for Dublin or Kerry now, not their club which is what it's all about and it is a shame players feel this way. Who you are and where you come from can be put back into the Gaa momentarily, but it will slowly fade and although it's sad it's true.
Ultimately if the same situation that is happening now is to follow over many years, I guarantee you, Dublin will eventually do to the all ireland what they've done to Leinster. Kerry just might, a very slight chance sneak one or two but everyone would've thought meant would do the same , nobody thought Dublin and Meath rivalry would become what it has, it's a joke.
The positives to this are endless. No splitting Dublin as the clubs do this already, and you can still let Dublin Gaa continue and be Dublin. Look how many top teams are in London, Manchester etc except they will be in the same competition as kilmacud, Crossmaglen, Dr Crokes, Corofin. You can have fantastic rivalries build up like Rovers/Bohs
I can't express how worried I am for Gaa and our future kids and GAA members especially in the weaker counties. Mickey Harte has come on to mine and gave a lift(on nice expenses no doubt), but it's not a long term solution.
How can the top brass not see this. Are they really content to leave the legacy of destroying the GAA cause that is what they are doing.
And anyone who comes back with amateur ethos can do one, a lot of professional athletes do jobs now as business people and are highly intelligent and gifted people along with their training. And GAA players train every bit as much as them, sometimes more and harder, much to their detriment as they don't have the correct knowledge.
This is not a slight at Dublin. Kerry are every bit as professional as Dublin and it would've been a great game this year, but the rest of the counties really don't stand a chance and anyone telling themselves other wise is only fooling themselves.
The GAA need to set up an all Ireland club league and charge a subscription, and let the submissions flow from clubs and counties in, you would be amazed at what sponsors would buy into a brand new competition , structure it randomly, hone and away games and let relegation and promotion sort itself within 10/15 years. Now you would have some mailings in the early years, say my club Geraldines were up against Ballymun in the first year of random groupings, but we would get relegated and Bally min get promoted and within 5-6 years your leagues would even out. You could think about restricting it to provincials but I think it's best to go all Ireland.let European cities enter, imagin your club gonna to play an away game in the league against Berlin, sure the players would be willing to pay expenses themselves.
Have these same clubs play a fa cup (Sam Maguire) straight knock out. Leave what's left in the counties to play their junior intermediate and senior championships, maybe you could enter the fa cup at at a smaller fee and you may have. A fairytale story once in a blue moon of the "non league team' getting far.
I cannot understand why they won't go to a similar set up to league of Ireland. The stadia are there, the crowds will go, not many away fans but home fans will go.
The money is certainly there too as there are junior clubs playing half a years salary to their manager in so called weaker counties.
That's my rant and I'd love to see flaws, please don't berate me. A sad factor of this is the number of talented GAA players not seen on the national stage from Dublin is huge as they can only field 15, and the opportunities they are missing out on as a result is unfair." You have some strange ideas. Most club players I know wouldn't be able pay their own expenses to play away in Berlin, then Madrid or wherever. And more wouldn't want to. Some of the club teams here in Wexford come from parishes with only a couple of thousand population. They wouldn't be bringing crowds of thousands every week for a European league. Or attracting sponsorship to pay for it either. And it would certainly make the problem of inter club transfers between smaller clubs and perceived more glamorous ones worse too. Which would destroy the ethos of playing for your parish forever. Also the Dublin Meath rivalry was a thing of the last decades of the last century and 1st of this. They only met in 2 Leinster finals that Dublin won handily enough from the beginning of the 20th century before Meath finally beat Dublin in their 3rd final meeting in 1964. The rivalry grew in the 70s then. It's not like the Dublin- Kerry rivalry.
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Replying To Fairplayer: "Absolutely, its just annoying as the game we all love I genuinely feel is in trouble and there is a great chance now for a fresh start with with it all going to reopen in next 6 months.
If they go back to what it was the game could be in trouble in 20 years.
If an all ireland club scene was correctly structured and marketed, it would be unbelievable, and reading the forum on one club recently made by a poster from Down, this idea seems more obvious. The small rural clubs will simply have to amalgamate rather than let them die the slow deaths they are at the minute." There are small rural clubs around here whose highlight of the year is playing and hopefully beating their neighbours. A tradition in some areas that goes back before the founding of the GAA. What do you mean by it would be best for them to amalgamate? I take it from that nonsense you are from a town?
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Replying To Viking66: "There are small rural clubs around here whose highlight of the year is playing and hopefully beating their neighbours. A tradition in some areas that goes back before the founding of the GAA. What do you mean by it would be best for them to amalgamate? I take it from that nonsense you are from a town?" no actually not from a town, an example I have from my own county is one of their best players trained with Louth for 6 months of the year in a semi pro set-up (5-6 days a week) to go back and train with lads who only go down for the love of the club.
His club career suffered and he likely suffered as a player individually and has since applied for a transfer.
That generation is not coming up again, the rural clubs are dying slowly whether you like it or not, maybe there could be an annual 7 aside in the locality or county if its small enough(like Louth), this way they could field and be somewhat competitive. Mentioned teams above are regularly on the end of 20+ point trimmings. Who's that benefitting? If it is just for local pride within their parish, because you probably haven't heard of Westerns GFC playing Annaghminnnon Rovers or won last years 'derby'.
The region where your from will never die, but they may not be able to keep producing for the local GAA team. Having a better structure would lead to more players wanting to play and will be able to aspire to a higher level. How many Wexford club players do you know playing/play in Dublin.
You would be surprised what sponsors would get on board with a quality campaign run correctly.
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Replying To Fairplayer: "no actually not from a town, an example I have from my own county is one of their best players trained with Louth for 6 months of the year in a semi pro set-up (5-6 days a week) to go back and train with lads who only go down for the love of the club.
His club career suffered and he likely suffered as a player individually and has since applied for a transfer.
That generation is not coming up again, the rural clubs are dying slowly whether you like it or not, maybe there could be an annual 7 aside in the locality or county if its small enough(like Louth), this way they could field and be somewhat competitive. Mentioned teams above are regularly on the end of 20+ point trimmings. Who's that benefitting? If it is just for local pride within their parish, because you probably haven't heard of Westerns GFC playing Annaghminnnon Rovers or won last years 'derby'.
The region where your from will never die, but they may not be able to keep producing for the local GAA team. Having a better structure would lead to more players wanting to play and will be able to aspire to a higher level. How many Wexford club players do you know playing/play in Dublin.
You would be surprised what sponsors would get on board with a quality campaign run correctly." A very few County panel players transferred to clubs in Dublin but very few. Malachy Travers the only 1 that leaps to mind. Know of a good few who work in Dublin but still play for their local club in Wexford. Still dont like the idea of players from for talks sake our club transferring to another club to play senior hurling. I'd rather, or more importantly, theyd rather try get the club up from Intermediate. The only lad in recent years transferred from an intermediate to senior club down here was Cathal Dunbar and some would say he hasnt been the same player since. At any club level 20 point trimmings are very rare.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 26/02/2021 16:42:34
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The GAA will need to deal with a twin threat over the next 10 years, one is elitism at intercounty level in both hurling and football. In normal times, the GAA makes the bulk of its money from the intercounty scene but this is under threat at the moment as crowd numbers are dropping in some provinces which has resulted in the GAA succeeding in limiting less hurling and football counties to lesser competitions and allowing the All Ireland championship be confined to 16 counties - I am talking about the situation pre pandemic. This is elitism with the stronger getting stronger and the weak getting weaker. It has also resulted in a huge gap developing between counties, some counties can generate huge sponsorship funds backed by millionaires and multinational companies while other can't generate hardly any revenue. We even have the stupid situation where Dublin are getting funding on top of generating huge sponsorship deals themselves - I am not anti Dublin but this situation needs to be dealt with. Is it any wonder that a lot of county boards are wondering how they can compete and are not willing to continue pumping funds into county setups when they can't compete. The second issue is around clubs. The pandemic has probably helped the GAA in the sense that they have come to their senses and divided the year into club and county. Up to now, a club player didn't know when their season was starting or when it is finishing as he participation was determined by the county management team. Funding in the next 10 years across the board will be under greater scrutiny, it has even begun to gather momentum - success is as much down to money as anything else at both club and county. The GAA can't do much about population but they can certainly do something to balance out the imbalances that exist.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 26/02/2021 17:12:30
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Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 26/02/2021 18:50:33
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