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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Can't blame PP or the likes, that's like blaming drink companies because there are so many alcoholics in Ireland. Look at your typical Irish town or city, pubs, chip shops and bookies. Have you ever heard a politician being critical of this ?"
You make a fair enough point as in we are a free society and we should be allowed to participate in LEGAL pastimes as much as we want and all but surely we can do better than pushing such things and glamorizing it. I don't pretend to have fair and legal answers to these things but as some posters already pointed out there are people that really need help.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2516 - 19/02/2021 23:42:46    2332094

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Gambling doesn't bother me thank god, I might buy the odd euro millions lottery ticket once in a blue moon if the prize is over the hundred million (go big or go home eh) I have friends that bet big money playing poker on the line and they'd be up all hours of the night playing it.

I remember there was talk one time of Michael Lowry and a couple of others trying to set up a Vegas style casino thing above in Tipp years ago , it was going to have an all weather horse racing track dog track the works. Probably a good thing it didn't go ahead in fairness..

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/02/2021 06:48:10    2332102

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Replying To Trump2020:  "You make a fair enough point as in we are a free society and we should be allowed to participate in LEGAL pastimes as much as we want and all but surely we can do better than pushing such things and glamorizing it. I don't pretend to have fair and legal answers to these things but as some posters already pointed out there are people that really need help."
I'd prefer to see the majority of gambling outlawed actually, I'd go as far to say that if given a choice I'd rather the right to bear arms than to gamble. It has destroyed so many families and sent many to an early grave. My point re. PP and the rest of them is that they are only doing what they have been permitted in law to do.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 20/02/2021 12:18:26    2332116

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "I'd prefer to see the majority of gambling outlawed actually, I'd go as far to say that if given a choice I'd rather the right to bear arms than to gamble. It has destroyed so many families and sent many to an early grave. My point re. PP and the rest of them is that they are only doing what they have been permitted in law to do."
Odds are against you before you lay your bet. Years ago the bookies shop had 3-4 hatches for laying bets but only 1 for payouts , so you were 4to 1 against before you laid your bet.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2301 - 20/02/2021 15:03:47    2332133

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Ban all gambling advertisements and sponsorship from all sports. I would go further and ban all advertisements from tv and publications. Gambling is addictive. It destroys people and people's families. Online gambling has made it very easy to gamble. Society needs to fight back because the gambling industry does not care about people. It only cares about profits. Gambling firms especially online gambling firms chew people up and spit them out .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 20/02/2021 16:28:59    2332143

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I firmly believe that society in 30 years time will marvel and laugh at betting ads like we chuckle and shake our heads at cigarette ads from days gone by....doctors who smoke recommend such and such cigarette brand etc. And they will say how stupid were they to allow it to infest sports like it has.
I have always maintained horse racing is glorified bingo on grass, the only sport result that was broadcast with betting odds...on national state media. Otherwise it's a boring and very odd pastime, going around in a circle on a bewildered animal.
Now sports programmes are sponsored by these companies who are a cancer on society. As someone said earlier here, you can only drink until you fall over, you could have bet your house away by the end of an evening of gambling.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 20/02/2021 18:34:39    2332159

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "I firmly believe that society in 30 years time will marvel and laugh at betting ads like we chuckle and shake our heads at cigarette ads from days gone by....doctors who smoke recommend such and such cigarette brand etc. And they will say how stupid were they to allow it to infest sports like it has.
I have always maintained horse racing is glorified bingo on grass, the only sport result that was broadcast with betting odds...on national state media. Otherwise it's a boring and very odd pastime, going around in a circle on a bewildered animal.
Now sports programmes are sponsored by these companies who are a cancer on society. As someone said earlier here, you can only drink until you fall over, you could have bet your house away by the end of an evening of gambling."
Republic, you could bet a fortune on your phone while out drinking and wake up in the morning not realising what you had done. Alcohol and gambling are a lethal combination,

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 20/02/2021 19:26:19    2332173

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Republic, you could bet a fortune on your phone while out drinking and wake up in the morning not realising what you had done. Alcohol and gambling are a lethal combination,"
Sure look at any bookies and their location close to a pub. Its an absolute disgrace. That and bar men ringing in bets is all wrong.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2339 - 20/02/2021 21:37:57    2332214

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Replying To Bon:  "Sure look at any bookies and their location close to a pub. Its an absolute disgrace. That and bar men ringing in bets is all wrong."
I honestly believe there's very little difference in bookies and daylight robbers. They don't give a feck about the lives they are ruining . As long as the money's rolling in. Then you have bar men running their own book. Big ,big problem in Irish society and governments don't seem to be doing much about it. Young people are going to apply for mortgages in the future and all this shows up on bank details.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2301 - 20/02/2021 22:55:10    2332220

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Governments making too much money from it.
I know a guy who does IT for Paddy Parasite and he said he's never seen the online gambling as busy as the last year. Frightening stuff.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2339 - 20/02/2021 23:47:10    2332228

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I don't gamble and I'd advise anyone I know against it,I'm happy to see it's advertising banned, and whatever other steps deemed necessary to discourage it (banning it altogether is pointless, illegal bookies will just replace the ones we have now) but first and foremost people have to take responsibility for their own actions.
All well and good lambasting bookies for plopping themselves next to a pub etc (and yes, it is opportunism) but until I see a bookie forcibly dragging someone into their place and making them place a bet, I'll argue that the bulk of the blame lies with the one placing the bet.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 21/02/2021 00:36:30    2332234

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I don't gamble and I'd advise anyone I know against it,I'm happy to see it's advertising banned, and whatever other steps deemed necessary to discourage it (banning it altogether is pointless, illegal bookies will just replace the ones we have now) but first and foremost people have to take responsibility for their own actions.
All well and good lambasting bookies for plopping themselves next to a pub etc (and yes, it is opportunism) but until I see a bookie forcibly dragging someone into their place and making them place a bet, I'll argue that the bulk of the blame lies with the one placing the bet."
They don't have to as mentioned earlier. Some of them had a direct phone line to the head bookmaker. TG4 did a great doc on the man whose life was ruined by a gambling addiction but the name escapes me. It was frightening and as someone who doesn't even buy a scratch card I found it shocking to see how his life spiralled out of control. And any time I see that famous bookmaker gurning on telly I think of that poor man.
You are right about it being driven underground if it's banned outright. It should be absolutely taxed to the hilt, the only industry in Ireland that should be imo.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 21/02/2021 08:16:01    2332240

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "They don't have to as mentioned earlier. Some of them had a direct phone line to the head bookmaker. TG4 did a great doc on the man whose life was ruined by a gambling addiction but the name escapes me. It was frightening and as someone who doesn't even buy a scratch card I found it shocking to see how his life spiralled out of control. And any time I see that famous bookmaker gurning on telly I think of that poor man.
You are right about it being driven underground if it's banned outright. It should be absolutely taxed to the hilt, the only industry in Ireland that should be imo."
Well I've never been a gambling addict so I'm not gonna judge. And yes, the bookmakers make life as difficult as possible for gamblers to quit, but I still disagree with your opening statement.
People have to absolutely own the decisions they make, that's not to say theyre solely responsible, or that there aren't mitigating circumstances, or that they don't deserve sympathy or forgiveness for their mistakes, but they are their mistakes, also, if that bookie you mentioned earlier cut off the line and severed all communication with the addict, then the latter would have just found another gambling outlet anyway.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 21/02/2021 10:34:41    2332252

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Well I've never been a gambling addict so I'm not gonna judge. And yes, the bookmakers make life as difficult as possible for gamblers to quit, but I still disagree with your opening statement.
People have to absolutely own the decisions they make, that's not to say theyre solely responsible, or that there aren't mitigating circumstances, or that they don't deserve sympathy or forgiveness for their mistakes, but they are their mistakes, also, if that bookie you mentioned earlier cut off the line and severed all communication with the addict, then the latter would have just found another gambling outlet anyway."
I strongly don't agree. Society is set up to protect against predatory behaviour.

The gambling industry is very unregulated and engage in a lot of malicious strategies. Consumers need to be protected.

A barman could be prosecuted for manslaughter for serving excessive amounts to someone who subsequently dies. There needs to be a moral hazard associated to gambling companies and some of their abusive practices.

The gambling ads in the breaks in livesport when users can also be intoxicated are incredibly sinister.

Skybet growing out of sky sports which makes a lot of its money out of pub subscriptions is a toxic ecosystem that could and should be mitigated for societal good.

I don't believe in nanny states but I also don't believe that corporations should have zero accountability towards their practices either.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4536 - 21/02/2021 12:14:06    2332268

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I strongly don't agree. Society is set up to protect against predatory behaviour.

The gambling industry is very unregulated and engage in a lot of malicious strategies. Consumers need to be protected.

A barman could be prosecuted for manslaughter for serving excessive amounts to someone who subsequently dies. There needs to be a moral hazard associated to gambling companies and some of their abusive practices.

The gambling ads in the breaks in livesport when users can also be intoxicated are incredibly sinister.

Skybet growing out of sky sports which makes a lot of its money out of pub subscriptions is a toxic ecosystem that could and should be mitigated for societal good.

I don't believe in nanny states but I also don't believe that corporations should have zero accountability towards their practices either."
But even if it were regulated to the hilt, and all those malicious strategies were curtailed, a gambler will still gamble. Perhaps they may have to look a tiny bit harder to find an outlet, but they'll still do it.
Agree with everything else you said. I'm no fan of gambling btw.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 21/02/2021 14:40:01    2332287

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But even if it were regulated to the hilt, and all those malicious strategies were curtailed, a gambler will still gamble. Perhaps they may have to look a tiny bit harder to find an outlet, but they'll still do it.
Agree with everything else you said. I'm no fan of gambling btw."
Some would still gamble, some wouldn't due to less access, certainly a decent chunk fewer would gamble to the point that they cause themselves real economic hardship.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4536 - 21/02/2021 15:35:46    2332294

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Some would still gamble, some wouldn't due to less access, certainly a decent chunk fewer would gamble to the point that they cause themselves real economic hardship."
Many gambling addicts, at least those who fail to seek help and keep their problems a secret, will unfortunately choose to indulge their habit over preventing economic hardship.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 21/02/2021 16:26:37    2332300

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Many gambling addicts, at least those who fail to seek help and keep their problems a secret, will unfortunately choose to indulge their habit over preventing economic hardship."
You can reduce the number of gambling addicts.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4536 - 21/02/2021 18:47:06    2332318

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It is great to see this thread on here. Too many times it had been contributors highlighting different betting odds for big games - I found this very frustrating as I know the absolute devastation that gambling has brought to families. Everything from broken marriages to the most awful of tragic outcomes. Get behind this HS.

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 105 - 21/02/2021 23:00:23    2332374

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I strongly don't agree. Society is set up to protect against predatory behaviour.

The gambling industry is very unregulated and engage in a lot of malicious strategies. Consumers need to be protected.

A barman could be prosecuted for manslaughter for serving excessive amounts to someone who subsequently dies. There needs to be a moral hazard associated to gambling companies and some of their abusive practices.

The gambling ads in the breaks in livesport when users can also be intoxicated are incredibly sinister.

Skybet growing out of sky sports which makes a lot of its money out of pub subscriptions is a toxic ecosystem that could and should be mitigated for societal good.

I don't believe in nanny states but I also don't believe that corporations should have zero accountability towards their practices either."
Great comparison with a barman and great point about social responsibility. We all know the perils of gambling if you want to see a real life gambling disaster google Leonard Tose. He is the former owner of the Philadelphia Eagles. Fantasy Football seems to be big in Ireland it might be interesting for the NFL followers.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 22/02/2021 12:33:04    2332425

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