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Shock Results In Days Gone By - Even In The National League

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've never had a huge problem with blanket defences, I've always kind of enjoyed watching teams try to figure out a way around them, but the keep ball, play it back tactic renders the game almost unwatchable for me."
Me too...I cant stand rugby as it's all about possession and kicking scores from open play is rare skill...penalties it takes nearly 3/4 minutes to kick them with exaggerated approach etc...Gaelic is almost as bad and this lark of bringing up the keeper is disgraceful if there is no fellah out the field able to kick a free you can forget about it...alot of time wasted too bringing up the keeper...I will give Kerry credit for keeping it traditional and not going down that route...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 21/03/2021 23:25:42    2334679

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've never had a huge problem with blanket defences, I've always kind of enjoyed watching teams try to figure out a way around them, but the keep ball, play it back tactic renders the game almost unwatchable for me."
The blanket defense is the reason why teams hold on to the ball noo ,why would would any team kick to where 12 or 13 opponents are stationed.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 496 - 22/03/2021 08:01:04    2334684

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I suppose that physical thing was a thing with Meath though late 1980s and around the early 1990s...was it Barry Breen played alot of the match with a white bandage on his head...was it 1991 or 1994 Peter Whitnell was was the the super full forward for Down?"
It was 1991, and yes Barry Breen wore the bandage. Whitnell scored 2-1 from play against Kerry in the semi-final.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1514 - 22/03/2021 13:52:04    2334704

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Replying To dubarra:  "The blanket defense is the reason why teams hold on to the ball noo ,why would would any team kick to where 12 or 13 opponents are stationed."
True,originally, but keep ball has evolved into a tactic that suits teams whether or not they intend to break through a defence.
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, if you're 3 points up with 10 minutes to go, passing the ball from one man to the other for the remainder of the game across and back the pitch pretty much guarantees victory.
It just kills the spectacle, but win at all costs/its a results business I suppose.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 22/03/2021 14:13:28    2334708

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Replying To Galway9801:  "True,originally, but keep ball has evolved into a tactic that suits teams whether or not they intend to break through a defence.
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, if you're 3 points up with 10 minutes to go, passing the ball from one man to the other for the remainder of the game across and back the pitch pretty much guarantees victory.
It just kills the spectacle, but win at all costs/its a results business I suppose."
The jeep ball tactic is rewarding to the team but hard for opposing and neutral fans. It's borderline boredom but the end justifies the means. Dublin are the masters of this near the end of games and yes it's boring but very effective. It's almost a basketball tactic (although there s a time limit in that game). The first team I ever saw to use that tactic to effect was Dr. Crokes in Kerry years and years ago under manager Pat Ó Shea who was a top basketball player in his day. When Dublin brought in the ex irish basketball coach a couple of years ago they started the keep ball tactic. Maybe the gaa could look at the basketball model and maybe have a time limit on keep ball although refs have a hard enough job. I understand the tactic and I would use it too if it meant victory but it is hard on the eye.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2796 - 22/03/2021 15:25:44    2334717

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The jeep ball tactic is rewarding to the team but hard for opposing and neutral fans. It's borderline boredom but the end justifies the means. Dublin are the masters of this near the end of games and yes it's boring but very effective. It's almost a basketball tactic (although there s a time limit in that game). The first team I ever saw to use that tactic to effect was Dr. Crokes in Kerry years and years ago under manager Pat Ó Shea who was a top basketball player in his day. When Dublin brought in the ex irish basketball coach a couple of years ago they started the keep ball tactic. Maybe the gaa could look at the basketball model and maybe have a time limit on keep ball although refs have a hard enough job. I understand the tactic and I would use it too if it meant victory but it is hard on the eye."
this Dublin team will be remembered for the 6 in a row, but they will be remembered too for the keep ball football (basket ball I mean) they played...absolutely shocking stuff to look at, and if any team goes out to win with those tactics good luck to football, it is destroyed...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 23/03/2021 23:08:33    2334905

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Sligo beating Tyrone in Croke Park in 2002. I watched it back last year and still don't know how it happened.

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 246 - 26/03/2021 09:08:57    2335045

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Replying To OGarmaile:  "Sligo beating Tyrone in Croke Park in 2002. I watched it back last year and still don't know how it happened."
The answer to that is quite simple- all the time they eat the cheese from the cow.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 26/03/2021 10:07:24    2335049

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "this Dublin team will be remembered for the 6 in a row, but they will be remembered too for the keep ball football (basket ball I mean) they played...absolutely shocking stuff to look at, and if any team goes out to win with those tactics good luck to football, it is destroyed..."
Possibly. The same way Tyrone will be remembered for being filthy, Kerry for winning easy all irelands, Donegal for their defensive football, none of these teams care. They are winners. I love the Dubs. The amount of Kerry lads I know down here & the Dubs live rent free in their heads. Glorious.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 26/03/2021 10:08:12    2335050

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Possibly. The same way Tyrone will be remembered for being filthy, Kerry for winning easy all irelands, Donegal for their defensive football, none of these teams care. They are winners. I love the Dubs. The amount of Kerry lads I know down here & the Dubs live rent free in their heads. Glorious."
Funny you talk about Kerry people and the Dubs when every second post you take is about Kerry....

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 722 - 26/03/2021 10:49:13    2335058

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Replying To OGarmaile:  "Sligo beating Tyrone in Croke Park in 2002. I watched it back last year and still don't know how it happened."
Sometimes puke football doesn't work and football wins out

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 26/03/2021 10:56:51    2335062

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Replying To oneoff:  "Funny you talk about Kerry people and the Dubs when every second post you take is about Kerry...."
What's funny about it?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 26/03/2021 11:07:00    2335064

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Replying To lilylanger:  "What's funny about it?"
You say it about others when you've been doing it yourself non stop.

Is that a simple enough explanation for you? Or do you need to have it broken down more for you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 722 - 26/03/2021 11:45:06    2335071

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Possibly. The same way Tyrone will be remembered for being filthy, Kerry for winning easy all irelands, Donegal for their defensive football, none of these teams care. They are winners. I love the Dubs. The amount of Kerry lads I know down here & the Dubs live rent free in their heads. Glorious."
We have different memories. Tyrone won 3 AIs in the noughties. Their 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Granted the 1st was a fairly attritional final against then champions Armagh but it had to be so or they wouldn't have won. Yes they were a cute team in the same way as the great Kerry and Dublin teams that I've seen but they had some unbelievable footballers on every line too. Certainly not filthy or close to it. Yes defensive hardness has been a hallmark of the better Ulster teams since the 90s but it has to be so.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 26/03/2021 14:08:24    2335102

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Replying To Viking66:  "We have different memories. Tyrone won 3 AIs in the noughties. Their 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Granted the 1st was a fairly attritional final against then champions Armagh but it had to be so or they wouldn't have won. Yes they were a cute team in the same way as the great Kerry and Dublin teams that I've seen but they had some unbelievable footballers on every line too. Certainly not filthy or close to it. Yes defensive hardness has been a hallmark of the better Ulster teams since the 90s but it has to be so."
Ok filthy is too strong a word. Maybe the masters of the dark arts. They of course were a great team. I loved watching them put it up to Kerry. My point being that each successful team will have mud slung at them undeservedly in most cases & its mostly subjective too.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 26/03/2021 14:22:45    2335106

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Ok filthy is too strong a word. Maybe the masters of the dark arts. They of course were a great team. I loved watching them put it up to Kerry. My point being that each successful team will have mud slung at them undeservedly in most cases & its mostly subjective too."
You are right for sure success definitely breeds envy. And as 1 of my best friends was fond of saying after a few pints years ago "we are a nation of begrudgers"!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 26/03/2021 14:28:52    2335109

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Possibly. The same way Tyrone will be remembered for being filthy, Kerry for winning easy all irelands, Donegal for their defensive football, none of these teams care. They are winners. I love the Dubs. The amount of Kerry lads I know down here & the Dubs live rent free in their heads. Glorious."
Topic gone very skewed from here on..anyways, these teams may not care, that's their own prerogative but they won't be remembered much outside their own counties after 15/20 years..great footballers are remembered..Kildare beating Meath in 1998 was a shock although that was a good Kildare team at that time..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 27/03/2021 01:15:39    2335165

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Ok filthy is too strong a word. Maybe the masters of the dark arts. They of course were a great team. I loved watching them put it up to Kerry. My point being that each successful team will have mud slung at them undeservedly in most cases & its mostly subjective too."
Exactly boy. Remember the stuff some of these Kerry bucks were spouting when they weren't able for Tyrone.
Same with the Kilkenny hurlers in their purple period. Limerick are the darlings at the minute but that will soon fade if the win one or two more. It's as obvious as the night following the day.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/03/2021 07:48:02    2335169

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Possibly. The same way Tyrone will be remembered for being filthy, Kerry for winning easy all irelands, Donegal for their defensive football, none of these teams care. They are winners. I love the Dubs. The amount of Kerry lads I know down here & the Dubs live rent free in their heads. Glorious."
But isn't it a good thing that the dubs dominance is annoying kerry people? It proves that there's still a bit of fight left in them.
Better be like that than be like pretty much every other county in Ireland who have accepted their fate and just kneel before the dubs.
Kildare lost to Dublin by 9 points a few years back and people talked afterwards as if it was a good result for them.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 27/03/2021 09:07:26    2335171

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Replying To OGarmaile:  "Sligo beating Tyrone in Croke Park in 2002. I watched it back last year and still don't know how it happened."
Sligo were very good that year, almost went on to beat eventual champions armagh in the quarters.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 27/03/2021 10:21:03    2335176

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