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Randomly split each UEFA pot or GAA NFL div in two (A & B), so there are 8 quartets in total, each with 4 randomised "slots". Randomly allocate each 4 teams into quartet slots (e.g. Pot 1 has 1A-1, 1A-2, 1A-3, 1A-4, 1B-1, 1B-2, 1B-3, 1B-4, Pot 2 has 2A-1.....2B-4 etc). All A teams play 10 of 16 B teams, avoiding teams in their "own slot" where required (e.g. 1A-1 avoids 3B-1 but plays the 3 others in 3B), and avoids a 2nd team in 2 quartets (e.g. 2A-1 avoids 3B-4). With my handicap, I'd have all Pot 1v4 matches avoided (e.g. all four 1B teams avoid all four 4A teams). AI QF teams to quartet 1 in the following year, Rd of 16 losers to Q2, 3rd 8 to Q3, 4th 8 to Q4. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 07/02/2021 19:44:34 2330559 Link 0 |
The UEFA proposals aren't great in m view. They want to increase the Champions league to 36 teams. I'm not sure how they'll arrange fixtures but they also want to have 24 teams qualify for the knockout rounds. In my view it just makes the group stage lack intensity. To play 10 fixtures to reduce the field by 1/3rd is not good in my view. I know teams can chase top 8 and a quarter final spot but still, I don't like the proposal. I think some of your GAA proposals can be victim to the same lack of impact of the group phase. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 11/02/2021 15:54:13 2331069 Link 3 |
I agree that UEFA's 24 of 36 is a bit too much - it weakens the argument that teams would strive for higher seeding in the one league when qualification is all but assured. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 11/02/2021 16:34:40 2331077 Link 0 |
In the 2019 SHC groups, 3 of 5 to KO seemed to work well - so I feel 5 of 8 would be similarly good, limiting dead rubbers but perhaps making the top of the table less intense. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 12/02/2021 04:34:09 2331144 Link 0 |
I think adding promotion can just help with dead rubbers. The fear of dead runners is to high anyway. With single round robins there's a lot of bunching up. Look at the leagues it's quite rare for teams in the top 3 divisions to not have something to play for into the last weeks. Division 4 is different with no relegation obviously. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 12/02/2021 13:13:57 2331184 Link 3 |
have to laugh at posts like this as if the gaa has or will have any structure , the provincial championship will remain because no one in the gaa has the foresight or the brain that means they change it . stuck in the past
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1288 - 12/02/2021 13:26:35 2331189 Link 0 |
Hard to argue with this. A big problem in the GAA and it's throughout all the levels is that there are too many stakeholders keen to keep their own special interests and it always leads to ridiculous compromises rather than coming to the right solution.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 12/02/2021 14:14:23 2331196 Link 3 |
The provincial championships should remain because you dont and shouldnt have all the eggs in one basket and remove chances of success for so many sides. A league as main competition with provincial cups to keep local rivalries and chance for neighbouring counties to get one over on their bigger, stronger local rivals is win win. Keeping the provincial cups isnt stuck in the past. its tying in with a basic element of the GAA and the local rivalries etc KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2029 - 12/02/2021 16:26:09 2331212 Link 1 |
They could already have this sorted with minimum fuss. Draw the KO Provs as usual. All teams will then play 1 to 4 Prov games. All teams play an equal number of League Championship (LC) games (say 10). Count the Prov results toward the LC as well, and all teams will play other mixed quality opponents (determined by draw) to complete their LC schedule. Top teams to AI KO (whatever quantity works - 8, 12 or 16 etc). Keep div 1v4 matches if you must. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 13/02/2021 02:56:41 2331254 Link 0 |
No there definitely should be 2 tiers. You need promotion and relegation. Just give the lower level teams a shot at qualifying at the start of the year. You need it to make sure that there's more meaningful matches. It's actually better for everyone if there's some promotion and relegation into a main competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 13/02/2021 13:08:19 2331271 Link 3 |
You could have 2 (2x16) or even 3 tiers (12-10-10), as we've stated before. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 13/02/2021 21:57:39 2331305 Link 0 |
Having the qualifiers for a top tier gives that mixed strength program of games. 16 teams start as being qualified for the main tournament. Leave 4 places to be up for grabs for the bottom 16 in a qualifying tournament. Those 4 teams will have a mixed quality program of games. The top 16 teams don't need to play the bottom 12 and teams don't get an advantage from moving lower. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 15/02/2021 11:25:50 2331431 Link 3 |
One advantage in keeping a one-tier 32-team table is that all of the lower 12 remain in the Chase for Sam throughout the season. Pursuit of a 20th playoff berth may be within striking distance for most of the lower 12 and be more appealing than a Tier 2 title (debatable). omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 16/02/2021 04:11:12 2331512 Link 0 |
Whenever the championships resume, I think we might see the provinces work out in football. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 185 - 16/02/2021 11:02:18 2331527 Link 0 |
I think Connacht and Ulster should have good games still. You're probably talking 4-6 good matches in those a year. Leinster Dublin just are a dark cloud looming over everyone. If you're not in their half of the draw you've a shot at a Leinster final and get a few wins in the All Ireland. Kerry should win Munster again but they need to cut out the pragmatic approach. Kerry should be going to beat teams properly and dominating matches. Outside of Dublin no team should come close to Kerry. Their poor performance at times in the last few years have often been down to them playing to a game plan that doesn't suit them rather than losing to a team taking advantage of their plan A. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 16/02/2021 15:08:08 2331562 Link 3 |
Promotion to a top tier is a big carrot to elevate the status of the second tier competition.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3253 - 16/02/2021 15:08:53 2331563 Link 3 |
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1913 - 16/02/2021 21:34:08 2331618 Link 0 |
I struggle to see galway winning connaught. In there last 6 championship games against roscommon or mayo they have lost 4 they also have a combined 3 game losing streak against mayo and roscommon and haven't bet either since 2018. Galway haven't improved enough for there to be good reason to think this trend would change. Especially when you consider galway has never bet a mayo team with james horan as manager in the championship. In ulster Donegal will have something to prove since McGuinness left they haven't made the semi final and have failed to live up to expectations every year. They'll have something to prove. And I can't see them losing it again no matter how good tyrone are. Sssthe (Mayo) - Posts: 8 - 16/02/2021 23:26:19 2331639 Link 0 |
See Pat Spillane slagging off the Leinster Counties again in the Independent today....spends time pointing out that Dublin has a bigger population than the other 11 counties put together then says ...sure only 15 can take to the field ... his parting shot is that all of Leinster has raised the white flag Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 18/02/2021 19:52:39 2331931 Link 0 |