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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "If you compare how a player with one of the elite counties is managed, coached and looked after compared to a player in a weaker county, I would imagine that they would class these elite players as professional. What should be done? Firstly, stop spending millions of euros on stadiums that are empty 95% of the time and instead take the money and help the weaker counties in hurling and football to put in place a structure that will enable them to compete at least in their province if not at national level. Help these teams narrow the gap, It is ridiculous to expect a weak county to bridge the gap between themselves and counties that are backed by millions of euros. But what does the GAA do, send hurling teams to Boston and Australia to promote the game of hurling outside Ireland while there are 20+ teams in Ireland who can't compete to a decent standard. Not only has the GAA oversaw this in hurling but they are following the same strategy in football. I would also reward the best players with an All Star award regardless of what level you are playing at, stop confining this award to the teams that play in the All Ireland. There is a guy Shane Conway playing hurling for Kerry, he would be an All Star if he was playing with one of the elite teams."
Good post. Look at Kieran McDonnel from Mayo, an actual genus at his time. Awful pity this guy hasn't got an AI medal. I used to love watching Kieran play football .., except when he was playing Galway of course. Ya this talk of splitting counties is ridiculous. The onus is on the GAA. Before they started promoting games abroad they should get their own house in order. Look at the millions and millions Croke Park has made in the last 15 to 20 years alone. AI finals, replays, concerts etc. Where has all this money gone. Should it not be distributed between the weaker counties for development etc. Look at Galway the financial cover up that went on not long ago. The GAA needs to get its house in order and earn back the respect of its supporters.

Toman (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 14/12/2020 21:04:38    2322449

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Replying To Toman:  "Good post. Look at Kieran McDonnel from Mayo, an actual genus at his time. Awful pity this guy hasn't got an AI medal. I used to love watching Kieran play football .., except when he was playing Galway of course. Ya this talk of splitting counties is ridiculous. The onus is on the GAA. Before they started promoting games abroad they should get their own house in order. Look at the millions and millions Croke Park has made in the last 15 to 20 years alone. AI finals, replays, concerts etc. Where has all this money gone. Should it not be distributed between the weaker counties for development etc. Look at Galway the financial cover up that went on not long ago. The GAA needs to get its house in order and earn back the respect of its supporters."
Killian Butler from London scored a great goal against your own county last year. Gavaghan is good player as well. Both homegrown players.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 14/12/2020 21:36:07    2322461

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Replying To Canuck:  "O now I see where we are going. Make the discussion personal and suggest that I have a habit of making comparison with the Roman Empire because I used it metaphorically once. If this offends you I apologize. I never ever once said that Waterford's lack of success was cause by Limerick's sponsorship. I might be a little closer than you to the fortunes or misfortunes of Waterford. However I will not take issue with your shared opinions."
I couldn't care less if you take issue with my statements. I'd say you need to stop acting like a victim all the time.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 14/12/2020 21:38:05    2322464

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a ridiculous post...Limerick hadnt won an All Ireland in 45 years until 2018, now they win 2 in 3 years and they are likened to Dublin in football, not the case, too many teams in hurling capable of beating Limerick on their own day, not the same in Dublins case, the media (mostly Dublin based) talk up Tyrone and Donegal etc in the weeks before they play Dublin and realistically they havent a hope in hell of beating them...what I will say is JP has pumped alot of money into the Limerick GAA, and they are a county I dont begrudge one bit of success to...they wont be winning 5 or 6 in a row, hurling has too many counties not far off Limericks mark, look at how invincible Kilkenny were going for their 5 in a row and Shefflins injury and Tipps desire to beat them put an end to that, there are no such teams in football...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 14/12/2020 21:43:55    2322467

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Replying To Toman:  "Good post. Look at Kieran McDonnel from Mayo, an actual genus at his time. Awful pity this guy hasn't got an AI medal. I used to love watching Kieran play football .., except when he was playing Galway of course. Ya this talk of splitting counties is ridiculous. The onus is on the GAA. Before they started promoting games abroad they should get their own house in order. Look at the millions and millions Croke Park has made in the last 15 to 20 years alone. AI finals, replays, concerts etc. Where has all this money gone. Should it not be distributed between the weaker counties for development etc. Look at Galway the financial cover up that went on not long ago. The GAA needs to get its house in order and earn back the respect of its supporters."
You won't get too much support for both your opinions on these forums. Denial of the correlation between money being one of the factors influencing success today. All sorts of reasons to support the lack of competition success of the so called weaker counties with the huge emphasis on the notorious tradition label. A farce All-Star selection system that does not recognition the stars in every county and subsequently does nothing to promote the so called weaker teams. However don't worry you are not heretics in pointed out short comings in the games you love. This topic of splitting Limerick I would think is a joke but I guess we need a light side also.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 14/12/2020 21:49:00    2322471

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Replying To Canuck:  "You won't get too much support for both your opinions on these forums. Denial of the correlation between money being one of the factors influencing success today. All sorts of reasons to support the lack of competition success of the so called weaker counties with the huge emphasis on the notorious tradition label. A farce All-Star selection system that does not recognition the stars in every county and subsequently does nothing to promote the so called weaker teams. However don't worry you are not heretics in pointed out short comings in the games you love. This topic of splitting Limerick I would think is a joke but I guess we need a light side also."
Handing out all stars based on what county you're from as opposed to ability would be the real farce.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1719 - 14/12/2020 22:09:19    2322479

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I couldn't care less if you take issue with my statements. I'd say you need to stop acting like a victim all the time."
Okay got your feelings. I believe that if a person tells who they are believe them. I will continue to dialogue agree and disagree with many people posting here but will not turn the debate personal. They know that from past history. I never claimed either myself or my county as you suggested are victims of anyone's behaviour.
Merry Christmas and God Bless.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 14/12/2020 22:18:47    2322481

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Handing out all stars based on what county you're from as opposed to ability would be the real farce."
Lets agree to disagree. It would be based on you being the best player in that county and even on a junior club C team that is an accomplishment. May still be subjective like every thing else. I probably should not have used the word farce but not the easiest, fairest or best way to recognize and above all promote.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 14/12/2020 22:28:24    2322482

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Good luck too you Limerick your success is well deserved and won in the true spirit of the gael unlike dublin. Money.. Money.. Money. Do not let them spoil your party

traleegerry (Kerry) - Posts: 738 - 15/12/2020 05:49:17    2322506

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Replying To Canuck:  "O now I see where we are going. Make the discussion personal and suggest that I have a habit of making comparison with the Roman Empire because I used it metaphorically once. If this offends you I apologize. I never ever once said that Waterford's lack of success was cause by Limerick's sponsorship. I might be a little closer than you to the fortunes or misfortunes of Waterford. However I will not take issue with your shared opinions."
Your posts are always insightful Canuck. I remember in pre Celtic Tiger times Waterford were one of the wealthiest counties in Ireland. Some incredible craftsmen, and a business model going back 100s of years of keeping Waterford money in Waterford, giving the work to a Waterford man 1st, etc, made it so. Ut has to be a failing of your county board that more sponsorship cant be obtained. It's not as if the money was spent on Walsh Park. If not enough was took in to fund coaches and underage structures as happened in Limerick the last 10 years, or it was misspent on what I cant really see tbh, the buck has to stop at the county board and those who elected the members of it. Maybe like Wexford the relative lack of schools success has hurt too. 5 Dr Hartys is quite a few less than the next worst. Is that up to County Boards to address or more to do with the schools themselves?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12027 - 15/12/2020 08:01:46    2322511

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Handing out all stars based on what county you're from as opposed to ability would be the real farce."
The All stars are a farce anyway. Nearly all of them are given to players who play in the final. Every year players who excelled in their position get overlooked because their county only made it to the SF or QF. And as another poster made the point that's not even considering some of the unbelievable players playing for Joe Mcdonagh counties that would walk onto most Senior teams and panels.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12027 - 15/12/2020 08:06:55    2322512

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I love how people have taken this topic so seriously, I think pkboher was just saying it tongue in cheek

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 268 - 15/12/2020 11:39:06    2322561

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Videos circulating on social media of large, undistanced celebrations down in Limerick. Looks very, very bad for the GAA.

And in the unlikely event that Mayo win on Saturday, it would be even worse.

Stay vigilant folks.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/12/2020 12:03:45    2322569

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These pictures are not of past 2 nights..it is nasty no gooders putting up stuff from 2018..these people are a disgrace..just a warning to everyone..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2224 - 15/12/2020 12:24:05    2322578

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Seems like fake news from my previous post, apparently the footage is from 2018, thankfully.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/12/2020 12:33:28    2322581

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Replying To Viking66:  "Your posts are always insightful Canuck. I remember in pre Celtic Tiger times Waterford were one of the wealthiest counties in Ireland. Some incredible craftsmen, and a business model going back 100s of years of keeping Waterford money in Waterford, giving the work to a Waterford man 1st, etc, made it so. Ut has to be a failing of your county board that more sponsorship cant be obtained. It's not as if the money was spent on Walsh Park. If not enough was took in to fund coaches and underage structures as happened in Limerick the last 10 years, or it was misspent on what I cant really see tbh, the buck has to stop at the county board and those who elected the members of it. Maybe like Wexford the relative lack of schools success has hurt too. 5 Dr Hartys is quite a few less than the next worst. Is that up to County Boards to address or more to do with the schools themselves?"
Viking66 I grew up when hurling was not outside Kilmeaden except Dungarvan and a certain bias against country players. West Waterford was football. Now the majority of players on the team are from the west. Remarkable change. I grew up in parish where there was no hurling and son of an accomplished footballer as was many of his team mates. So in a smaller county that was divided into two sports that is difficult. Somewhat like Carlow and Wexford and some others. The county board may in the past been part of the problem feeding into biases but I think not so now. An east and west board is ridiculous anyway.
A bit of trivia for you. My dad played in a Wexford football final. A car pulled up as he out of the church (1930's) as he came out of mass and asked him to go with them. They took him to Wexford as he looked like one of their players injured. He played with a peaky cap turned backwards. They won but he would not take a medal it belonged to the injured player.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 15/12/2020 14:33:54    2322639

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Replying To Canuck:  "Viking66 I grew up when hurling was not outside Kilmeaden except Dungarvan and a certain bias against country players. West Waterford was football. Now the majority of players on the team are from the west. Remarkable change. I grew up in parish where there was no hurling and son of an accomplished footballer as was many of his team mates. So in a smaller county that was divided into two sports that is difficult. Somewhat like Carlow and Wexford and some others. The county board may in the past been part of the problem feeding into biases but I think not so now. An east and west board is ridiculous anyway.
A bit of trivia for you. My dad played in a Wexford football final. A car pulled up as he out of the church (1930's) as he came out of mass and asked him to go with them. They took him to Wexford as he looked like one of their players injured. He played with a peaky cap turned backwards. They won but he would not take a medal it belonged to the injured player."
That's a fantastic story Canuck! I'd say your dad must've been some footballer and well known far and wide. Not too many Waterford footballers played Railway Cup down the years compared to Cork and Kerry. As regards Waterford looking ahead the next couple of years you have a core of players who won AI minor and u21 medals together. At u21 especially they were unreal good. You have a good young progressive manager who has new ideas. His addition of Bennett as sprint coach will pay dividends next year also. Mahony will be back. Fives and de Burca will hopefully be fully fit. Of all the counties in Ireland yourselves look best placed to beat Limerick, who will be deserved favourites for the all Ireland. Tipps and Galways best players are probably the wrong end of their prime years although both have had recent underage success to draw on. Clare will be better next year with their big names back, but next year might be a couple of years too soon for Cork. In Leinster I'd hope with a less disrupted lead in to the championship we will be more competitive and in with a shot at another Leinster title. Kilkenny and Dublin too. But I think all 3 of us are probably a little behind Waterford, Tipp and Galway in the race to catch Limerick. So cheer up and be positive and happy Xmas to you!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12027 - 15/12/2020 14:56:59    2322645

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "These pictures are not of past 2 nights..it is nasty no gooders putting up stuff from 2018..these people are a disgrace..just a warning to everyone.."
There is always an attempt to pull down champions after they reach the summit. Try pulling the mountain down on them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 15/12/2020 15:41:47    2322661

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Replying To Canuck:  "Okay got your feelings. I believe that if a person tells who they are believe them. I will continue to dialogue agree and disagree with many people posting here but will not turn the debate personal. They know that from past history. I never claimed either myself or my county as you suggested are victims of anyone's behaviour.
Merry Christmas and God Bless."
Not your county. Just you.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 15/12/2020 16:04:17    2322666

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Replying To Canuck:  "There is always an attempt to pull down champions after they reach the summit. Try pulling the mountain down on them."
Correct. Cork accused played puke hurling in 05 and 06. KK played on the edge and did not spend enough money on football. Not it is Limericks turn to get bashed for there success.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 129 - 15/12/2020 18:50:35    2322697

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