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I can honestly say that if Dublin is ever split, that's me personally done with it all. I'd never attend a game again and I'd never be interested in watching a game of the tele no matter who it involves. It wouldnt be the Dublin I was brought up on even when that Dublin was getting crushed by Tyrone and Kerry, embarrassing us, not just the Dublin that's winning things. I'd rather see us getting hammered by those teams again and going years without winning all Ireland, than see us split and continue to see a Dublin north or south team beat Kerry in an all ireland. I just cant be bothered with that and I'm sure despite everything, the GAA still need the supporter numbers and of course players in Dublin as it is the most populated county in Ireland. A decision to split us instantly kills the want and desire of the game in Dublin.

Like everyone else, I agree that there are numerous issues that can be addressed and if I'm being honest I wouldbt even know where to begin, but I do know splitting Dublin isnt the answer.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13617 - 10/12/2020 11:16:46    2320990

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Replying To daytona11:  "Im talking about staff and structures that these lads have had access to throughout their development.

Are you suggesting when these lads turned 18 and eligible for adult football that they only started to develop then?

Are you suggesting that Dublin do not have access to better structures and supports than other counties?

Are you suggesting that the above is not a clear indication of better funding?"
Maybe they do have better structures for the elite underage players then other counties. But that isn't a cost issue. To fund development squads isn't going to break the bank for the majority of big counties. If it would guarantee later success they would do it, and I assume most of the bigger counties are doing more or less the same thing with these groups.

This is a common argument but I have yet to see what exactly Dublin has spent money on to develop elite players that other counties aren't doing, or at least couldn't be doing. Some counties would prefer to spend their money on infrastructure projects rather then coaching, but that is a choice, not a funding issue.

So I am not suggesting the 'above is not a clear indication of better funding', because to be honest there was no 'above' other then supposition. It is akin to saying (and I exaggerate to make the point), are you suggesting the moon is not made of cheese,? Are you suggesting it tastes horrible?' To want validation for the second point you need to have some facts to support the first one.

dougal123 (Louth) - Posts: 8 - 10/12/2020 11:50:27    2320996

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Replying To bubba83:  "That's just not true. I and many other Dubs would welcome a discussion on restructuring the championship to level things out as much as possible. There are imbalances all over the place from county populations, size of provinces and yes funding too. If splitting Dublin was part of a complete overhaul of the championship structure then it would have to be considered. However when all we hear is split Dublin in 2/4/6 or whatever in isolation as a means to stop us from winning matches then it is hard not to be defensive."
Well if you agree with pat gilroys idea of basically doing away with all counties and feel that this is the right way to go, then I wouldnt class that as welcoming discussion on restructuring to be honest with you. Frankly speaking, it is bordering on ludicrous to suggest that because dublin have been unfairly financed out of kilter with everyone else, that everyone else has to change to make it right. It is deliberately throwing the baby out with the bath-water.
Look, the best solution is often the simplest. Split dublin into 2 teams for starters and see how things go. Work off the already existing north-south division in the city. Offer the likes of leitrim and a few more an option to amalgamate if they so wish - if they dont then it affects nobody else.

Ultimately, the association is bigger than any county. Some lads seem to think that they can hold it to ransom by saying that they wont support the teams. Again, frankly speaking - dont let the door hit you on the way out.

As for the talk about the great systems in Dublin - has anyone ever actually thought that through? How can the dublin system be rolled out in any place except dublin? Has dublin actually been good value for money? Has it not occurred to people that for all the extra population and all the extra spend and all those noble prize-winning volunteers, while being well ahead of kerry, they arent that much ahead of them. Surely if we are rolling any system out, and if anyone should be advising the other counties, it should be kerry administrators?

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 10/12/2020 12:45:23    2321014

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Replying To waynoI:  "I can honestly say that if Dublin is ever split, that's me personally done with it all. I'd never attend a game again and I'd never be interested in watching a game of the tele no matter who it involves. It wouldnt be the Dublin I was brought up on even when that Dublin was getting crushed by Tyrone and Kerry, embarrassing us, not just the Dublin that's winning things. I'd rather see us getting hammered by those teams again and going years without winning all Ireland, than see us split and continue to see a Dublin north or south team beat Kerry in an all ireland. I just cant be bothered with that and I'm sure despite everything, the GAA still need the supporter numbers and of course players in Dublin as it is the most populated county in Ireland. A decision to split us instantly kills the want and desire of the game in Dublin.

Like everyone else, I agree that there are numerous issues that can be addressed and if I'm being honest I wouldbt even know where to begin, but I do know splitting Dublin isnt the answer."
Has it not occurred to you that the dublin you support now, is not the dublin you grew up with either? In fact it is the complete opposite of what dublin was. I dont mean the winning, I mean the whole entity.

Or does tradition not bother you when you are winning?

As for the rest of the point, it reads a bit like a thinly veiled threat to the gaa about cutting off funding. You should probably consider what the gaa would be like if the rest of the gaa took the same approach. If you think dublin creates more money than everyone else combined you are deluded. That is 4/5ths of the population on the island and that is where the true power is. If they decided they arent supporting the gaa any longer, the gaa would dice dublin up in seconds.

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 10/12/2020 13:19:47    2321029

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