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There is loads of arguments. Identity is one of the major positives of the GAA. There is no identity if you split Dublin into several teams who wont have any tradition of playing together etc, no home venue, no base. Teams will always be dominant. Dublin realistically should always have had most titles considering their population etc There is ways to access earliest pages on the site. but cant remember how. this is another reason why this website needs to be modernised.... KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 11/02/2021 00:02:55 2330984 Link 1 |
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Poor aul Tommy. Nothing to do and all day to do it. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 11/02/2021 09:57:41 2331004 Link 3 |
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Hi remember when you said Donegal would hammer Cavan in the Ulster final? :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/02/2021 10:10:04 2331008 Link 0 |
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There are a number of arguments against splitting Dublin, whether they are coherent to you or not is your opinion. You disagree with those that don't want Dublin split, that's fine but you shouldn't just dismiss arguments against splitting as incoherent just because you disagree with them. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 11/02/2021 10:48:07 2331015 Link 8 |
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Hi remember when you said Kerry would beat Dublin in the replay -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 11/02/2021 11:32:27 2331025 Link 1 |
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What other solutions is there for the dublin problem mes? Ye don't want to be split but yer too strong for the intercounty championship, Would removing dublin from intercounty football and placing them in a competition with amalgamated teams for arguments sake we'll call the amalgamated teams Munster Leinster Ulster and Connacht, let's say it could be played on a Round Robin basis, now would the work better for everyone dublin get to stay as 1 team and theyd be up against teams of equal standing. Also then croke Park would remain a neutral venue for intercounty teams. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/02/2021 12:36:21 2331033 Link 0 |
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I'm actually open to the idea of a split of its done in conjunction with a complete restructure of the inter-County system. I don't think you're Railway Cup 2.0 is a runner if we restructured inter-County properly. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 11/02/2021 13:36:23 2331038 Link 4 |
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Fair enough Mes, I suppose admitting there is a problem is the first step. So how would you restructure the intercounty championship? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/02/2021 14:30:43 2331049 Link 0 |
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Great the way your points were just ignored and you were congratulated for recognising there's a problem that doesn't even exist. Dublin is a county in Ireland, one of 32. Therefore it should be allowed be recognised for the GAA championships at all age grades in all codes of ladies and male sports as a county. I've yet to see those who want this split suggesting 1) how the split will be done? 2) how will these 4 new counties be financed? 3) where will they play games? 4) ill they have 4 separate championships in all codes? and on and on ad nauseum. Everyone seems to want the Dubs to provide a solution. Why should they? Its not their problem, why should they have to fix it? brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 11/02/2021 14:55:43 2331053 Link 13 |
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Some counties get split and some amalgamate so that every team is in and around the same population wise. 50% of all sponsorship, fundraising etc goes into a central fund. Do away with provincial structures. I'm sure there is plenty of other things that could be done as well. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 11/02/2021 15:00:41 2331054 Link 4 |
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Listen I totally agree with you but at the same time I can see the logic to the idea of a split of Dublin but only if its in conjunction with a complete overhaul of the inter-County boundaries. We either play as traditional counties or we don't. Those who want Dublin split but everything else stay the same just essentially want a competition without Dublin represented at all and for all their talk of fairness are quite happy with the inherent unfairness that benefits their county. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 11/02/2021 15:14:15 2331060 Link 9 |
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oh agreed Mes Amis, i know where you're coming from ;) Unfortunately with the GAA being an "amateur" organisation the chances of that every happening are long odds. They all want a competition in senior mens with out the Dubs but when it happens that those same 4 teams they all seem to want start dominating at the top and they can win nothing... what then... sure they might as well all give up. Look at the end of the day the Dubs got there house in order, they put structures in place and when that happened sheer size of numbers was going to push them to the fore front. Were they helped by funding, of course they were but its only a tenth of a truth to say its all money when its not. As i say is there an issue with their hurling team, camogie teams, ladies team, underage success. No there's not, This is just an exceptional time and an exceptional bunch of players the same as Kerry in the 70's and 80's. Can things not be recognised for what they are. There was no talk of splitting Kerry up back then so why should the Dub's be split up now. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 11/02/2021 16:10:28 2331074 Link 14 |
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Agree with some of the above Brian but have to mention, Dublin Ladies Footballers have won the lost 4 Finals and I think were beaten in the 2 previous to that ? ( similar consistent record to the men's team ) .... Cuala have won last 2 All Ireland Club Championships so it appears Hurling in Dublin is heading in a strong direction....Men's u20/u21s won 4 Finals and I think lost another 2 in last 10 years....as mentioned here often, Dublin seem to take a different, more inclusive/long term development approach to minor level so it's hard to count that level in this argument..... As regards the Mens team they are A fantastic group of players who appear to be very humble and very hard working and I would say it's wrong to accuse them of "buying" their success....BUT...it's not one bunch of players as you mentioned but more of a conveyor belt surely ?...any county that can lose the calibre of 2 Brogans, Diarmuid C, Paul Flynn, Rory O C, Jack McC, Michael D.McC etc etc ( is there 3 or 4 players of the year in there at least ?? ) AND still keep winning titles is surpassing all expectations. All of the above, alongside Dublins accomplished work off the pitch would indicate that Dublin will continue to dominate access the board in the future surely ? If that happens and the Dublin population also grows by 400,000 over next 15 years as predicted then I would love to know right now that Headquarters will have a Plan B in place and ready to roll, rather than the very worrying do nothing/ head in the sand/ others will have to work harder rhetoric that we keep hearing. Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 11/02/2021 16:59:29 2331086 Link 2 |
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Who would Kerry merge with?
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 11/02/2021 17:14:53 2331089 Link 1 |
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Its interesting that plenty of commentry says other counties will have to work harder to catch Dublin ( especially in Leinster )....BUT that argument dosent seem to apply elsewhere ... Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 11/02/2021 17:26:25 2331091 Link 0 |
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So a stand off right? To hell with the rest of the country btw, that is the view of every GAA fan. What is the basis and method you would employ to divide the county up? There is not one woekable or feasible solution put forward. As I say this solution doesnt apply to any other code or gender other than Football. Dublin GAA club players are registered to play in a place called Baile Atha Cliath. So since it is only disgruntled Football fans suggesting this what is so wrong/right with football that doesnt apply to any other code? is this good for the GAA? My son was born in Ballsbridge, but lives played on Northside with who would he be eligible to play with? Geograhically it cannot be divided up, so how you going to do it? Its unfair, stupid and it won't happen, if Dublin do not want it, it really is simple. If other counties are alienated well good look, tough, what goes around comes around in Sport. If I thought for a minute this was based on fairness and for the good of the GAA fair enough lets look at weaker stonger counties and redraw boundaries. But it is not motivated for the good of the game or the GAA. As I say disgruntled cohort of football followers from other counties with little of no care for GAA, the Games or fairness. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 11/02/2021 18:35:58 2331095 Link 4 |
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Funny you should mention population not being a guarantee of success. Kilkenny and Kerry have the most All Ireland's. They obviously are more oriented towards one code , particularly Kilkenny, but they obviously have great backing and excellent structures in place otherwise they would not have managed to compete at the highest level on such a regular basis and have some of the smaller populations. Both managed to produce great teams and while Dublin have been blessed with the great talent that has prevailed over the last decade I don't think there is any concrete evidence to suggest that these players will be as easily replaced as many calling for the split seem to want to believe. Last year I think was an odd year when you look at the championship as a whole and the way a couple of the provinces unfolded so I don't think you could use that as a real barometer of where all the teams are now. That is not to say those teams didn't deserve their victories, of course they did and it was great to see them have their day but I think most people would not have bet on those outcomes at the start of the championship. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/02/2021 18:59:30 2331098 Link 0 |
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T. B. H. I think alot of posters are missing the point. The gaa to my knowledge at the moment are not suggestion Dublin split. The idea came about in 2002 and has nothing to do with success. It was muted between the hierarchy of the gaa and Dublin County board feeling it would be good for Dublin going forward as their playing population had become so large. It was felt as split between Northside and Southside would give more players the chance to play intercounty. Now the Dublin County board were not adverse to the idea. The split would only be able to be achieved with Dublin's blessing. Fast forward 18 19 years and now the Dubs have had unprecedented success so its out there about a split again but this time its not Dublin or the gaa it is others that are sick of Dublin's successthat are calling for the split. Now however the Dublin County board are less interested as times are good so I'm sure they would not vote for a split and who can blame them. Also the supporters are on a crest of a wave and they sure don't want a split either and I'm sure alot from other counties would be against a Dublin split too. I think it might happen in the future but definately it's not a runner now and I for one am happy with that. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 11/02/2021 19:12:31 2331100 Link 1 |
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Hold on, on the one hand you're saying that Dublins sheer size and numbers would push them to the forefront once the proper structures were put in place ,,implying that Dublins dominance will remain, then in the next paragraph you attribute Dublins unprecedented success to " just an exceptional team", like the kerry team of the 80s,implying that Dublins dominance will pass.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 11/02/2021 19:49:33 2331103 Link 1 |
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Ya I'd agree with most of that mes, you know it's great to see the more we discuss the splitting of dublin the more dubs like yourself and few others are starting to come around to the idea. The 5 stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Well we've had the denial and anger from some dublin posters and now we're on to the bargaining, next ye will have a bit of depression and then the acceptance so it's great to see we're all moving forward. Change is hard but it's something we all have to contend with in our lives at some stage. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/02/2021 19:58:27 2331105 Link 0 |