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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "That's a real Dublin says NO answer.
If I can't have a sport where my team is garanteed to win most of their games most of the time then I off.

It is ridiculous to state that splitting Dublin in GAA would cause people to go and follow other sports where there is no combined Dublin team is frankly ridiculous.

You might get a Dublin rugby team in a few years though if your lucky."
It's getting a bit like the" Ulster Says No" and the "Never Never Never " utterances,it has to happen and its only a part of whats required overall for proper competitiveness and fairness.
Another parallel with the North is its similarity with the gerrymandering that went on there for generations but it had to go eventually.
Dublin might say NO but fairness,relatively even competitiveness and equal opportunity says YES!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 14:47:38    2330525

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "That's a real Dublin says NO answer.
If I can't have a sport where my team is garanteed to win most of their games most of the time then I off.

It is ridiculous to state that splitting Dublin in GAA would cause people to go and follow other sports where there is no combined Dublin team is frankly ridiculous.

You might get a Dublin rugby team in a few years though if your lucky."
It is silly to suggest that if there were a split that there wouldn't be people (players, fans, volunteers etc) who walk away from the sport.

Of course people will walk away if Dublin as is was removed from the Championship. How many walk away is open to debate and is what the decision over a split will come down to imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 07/02/2021 15:44:27    2330528

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Replying To MesAmis:  "It is silly to suggest that if there were a split that there wouldn't be people (players, fans, volunteers etc) who walk away from the sport.

Of course people will walk away if Dublin as is was removed from the Championship. How many walk away is open to debate and is what the decision over a split will come down to imo."
The entirety of the GAA cannot accept one team/county standing in the way of the greater good indefinitely!And its only part of the equation for improvement!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 16:13:48    2330534

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "It's getting a bit like the" Ulster Says No" and the "Never Never Never " utterances,it has to happen and its only a part of whats required overall for proper competitiveness and fairness.
Another parallel with the North is its similarity with the gerrymandering that went on there for generations but it had to go eventually.
Dublin might say NO but fairness,relatively even competitiveness and equal opportunity says YES!"
You mean like splitting a big group ethnic populas up, so an entitled minority can feel validated and enabled, I agree I think the debate has many parallels with Gerrymandering by unionists in the North.

Anyhow, I'll leave it there, I see a few similar posts across across a few different GAA forums stoking the same debate, must be a big article coming up and the offers are getting scarce of the ground I see. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/02/2021 16:13:56    2330535

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Replying To MesAmis:  "It is silly to suggest that if there were a split that there wouldn't be people (players, fans, volunteers etc) who walk away from the sport.

Of course people will walk away if Dublin as is was removed from the Championship. How many walk away is open to debate and is what the decision over a split will come down to imo."
Absolutely, I for one would be gone.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 07/02/2021 16:31:15    2330536

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Replying To realdub:  "Absolutely, I for one would be gone."
There will always be a minority that does not subscribe to the ideal of the greater good and if the cap fits wear it!
Not too many sports enthusiasts subscribe to the belief that a David V Goliath mismatch is good sport or indeed sportsmanship.
I don't be on any other sports forums but if they are discussing a fair Championship well done to them and its no reason to feel peeved,they are awake and observing the demise of the AI football championship!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 17:19:06    2330541

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The worry realdub, is that there could be plenty walking away from other counties if things are left as is...

I don't think I've seen a suggestion yet that you could put your finger on and say " thats the single best solution for the All Ireland Championship " so I'm guessing it'll be a long series of small gestures over a long time to try and address the imbalance between Dublin and the chasing pack and from the chasing pack to the rest of the counties.

As an aside... if Dublin was split into North and South would those 2 entities have the biggest and next biggest populations in Ireland ?.... with the 2biggest GAA development budgets to work with ?...

if thats true or factual, then splitting Dublin into North and South won't solve the current argument re Dublins population - financial advantages ....

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 07/02/2021 17:28:52    2330542

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Replying To Black+Blue:  "The worry realdub, is that there could be plenty walking away from other counties if things are left as is...

I don't think I've seen a suggestion yet that you could put your finger on and say " thats the single best solution for the All Ireland Championship " so I'm guessing it'll be a long series of small gestures over a long time to try and address the imbalance between Dublin and the chasing pack and from the chasing pack to the rest of the counties.

As an aside... if Dublin was split into North and South would those 2 entities have the biggest and next biggest populations in Ireland ?.... with the 2biggest GAA development budgets to work with ?...

if thats true or factual, then splitting Dublin into North and South won't solve the current argument re Dublins population - financial advantages ...."
Look, I support a team, as I have for the last 50 years, how could I possibly change now?
The teams that nearly caught are the same teams that will catching us in the future, not much will change.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 07/02/2021 17:43:34    2330545

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The gaa wanted to split Dublin to give more players access to intercounty football. Not because of their success. I suspect alot of posters that want Dublin split now is because of their dominance and that is not the reason it was suggested for firstly. Dublin have always been contenders in my lifetime even during their 26yr hiatus and imo always will be. Even a split Dublin will ultimately means a few stronger Dublin teams that would still be all ireland contenders. Splitting Dublin cos of player population is maybe a valid excuse but then Cork have to be split too. Splitting Dublin cos of their success is wrong. This is a once in a lifetime team but soon their success will fade. Like Kerry and Kilkenny they will always be contenders but maybe not number one. Be careful what you wish for. How would some of you feel with the all ireland final being Dublin v Dublin. Ultimately it would be so wrong on the fans too. I can't see it happening for a long time and hopefully never.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 07/02/2021 19:26:04    2330556

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa wanted to split Dublin to give more players access to intercounty football. Not because of their success. I suspect alot of posters that want Dublin split now is because of their dominance and that is not the reason it was suggested for firstly. Dublin have always been contenders in my lifetime even during their 26yr hiatus and imo always will be. Even a split Dublin will ultimately means a few stronger Dublin teams that would still be all ireland contenders. Splitting Dublin cos of player population is maybe a valid excuse but then Cork have to be split too. Splitting Dublin cos of their success is wrong. This is a once in a lifetime team but soon their success will fade. Like Kerry and Kilkenny they will always be contenders but maybe not number one. Be careful what you wish for. How would some of you feel with the all ireland final being Dublin v Dublin. Ultimately it would be so wrong on the fans too. I can't see it happening for a long time and hopefully never."
Yes Mick, no sincere Kerryman would get a kick out if beating half or quarter of a Dublin side I'd wager.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 07/02/2021 19:43:35    2330558

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa wanted to split Dublin to give more players access to intercounty football. Not because of their success. I suspect alot of posters that want Dublin split now is because of their dominance and that is not the reason it was suggested for firstly. Dublin have always been contenders in my lifetime even during their 26yr hiatus and imo always will be. Even a split Dublin will ultimately means a few stronger Dublin teams that would still be all ireland contenders. Splitting Dublin cos of player population is maybe a valid excuse but then Cork have to be split too. Splitting Dublin cos of their success is wrong. This is a once in a lifetime team but soon their success will fade. Like Kerry and Kilkenny they will always be contenders but maybe not number one. Be careful what you wish for. How would some of you feel with the all ireland final being Dublin v Dublin. Ultimately it would be so wrong on the fans too. I can't see it happening for a long time and hopefully never."
I meant 16 year hiatus

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 07/02/2021 19:54:14    2330561

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa wanted to split Dublin to give more players access to intercounty football. Not because of their success. I suspect alot of posters that want Dublin split now is because of their dominance and that is not the reason it was suggested for firstly. Dublin have always been contenders in my lifetime even during their 26yr hiatus and imo always will be. Even a split Dublin will ultimately means a few stronger Dublin teams that would still be all ireland contenders. Splitting Dublin cos of player population is maybe a valid excuse but then Cork have to be split too. Splitting Dublin cos of their success is wrong. This is a once in a lifetime team but soon their success will fade. Like Kerry and Kilkenny they will always be contenders but maybe not number one. Be careful what you wish for. How would some of you feel with the all ireland final being Dublin v Dublin. Ultimately it would be so wrong on the fans too. I can't see it happening for a long time and hopefully never."
Sorry, I agree with most of that but this is not a once in a lifetime team.
There have been many personnel changes over the last decade and as Dublins biggest names have retired leaving many to predict their decline, Dublin have improved.
Only kerry in the drawn game of 2019 gave them a game in the last 3 years, whereas each year from 2011 to 2017 they were either beaten or given a really tough game or sometimes two. Winning all Irelands seems to be getting easier for Dublin.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1709 - 07/02/2021 20:14:13    2330565

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The entirety of the GAA cannot accept one team/county standing in the way of the greater good indefinitely!And its only part of the equation for improvement!"
Listen I get where you're coming from and I actually do understand the argument that Dublin should be split. I was just responding to someone suggesting that there wouldnt be repercussions in terms of interest in Dublin. A split could go really well or it could go really badly. That is just the reality.

If we're going to discuss these things then we should look at it properly. The point I'm making is that a split runs the risk of going badly and the GAA being weak in Dublin (however many new Dublins you are creating) in terms of inter County interest. There is no point in denying that the above is a possibility. From my own personal point of view, if the GAA were to vote for the partition of Dublin and nothing else done to address population imbalance, I'd accept it and move on, I would have no interest in supporting the new county and wouldn't attend or watch games anymore. It could take a generation or 3 for the new counties to take hold.

There's also the danger of a North South split going well and instead of having one strong Dublin team in Leinster you'd have 2. Which does nothing for weaker counties except make it more difficult for them.

I'm in favour of Dublin being split of it is part of the overall restructuring of the inter County game.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 07/02/2021 20:17:05    2330567

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Replying To realdub:  "Yes Mick, no sincere Kerryman would get a kick out if beating half or quarter of a Dublin side I'd wager."
Never said a truer word realdub.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 07/02/2021 20:38:10    2330569

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Sorry, I agree with most of that but this is not a once in a lifetime team.
There have been many personnel changes over the last decade and as Dublins biggest names have retired leaving many to predict their decline, Dublin have improved.
Only kerry in the drawn game of 2019 gave them a game in the last 3 years, whereas each year from 2011 to 2017 they were either beaten or given a really tough game or sometimes two. Winning all Irelands seems to be getting easier for Dublin."
I see your point but this year was a strange year in particular and Dublin through no fault of their own had a handy enough run. The 3 main contenders Kerry Donegal and Tyrone all fell. Even Mayo were a team that was relegated to div 2 so while yes Dublin won the all ireland very easily last year its hard to judge.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 07/02/2021 20:43:02    2330573

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa wanted to split Dublin to give more players access to intercounty football. Not because of their success. I suspect alot of posters that want Dublin split now is because of their dominance and that is not the reason it was suggested for firstly. Dublin have always been contenders in my lifetime even during their 26yr hiatus and imo always will be. Even a split Dublin will ultimately means a few stronger Dublin teams that would still be all ireland contenders. Splitting Dublin cos of player population is maybe a valid excuse but then Cork have to be split too. Splitting Dublin cos of their success is wrong. This is a once in a lifetime team but soon their success will fade. Like Kerry and Kilkenny they will always be contenders but maybe not number one. Be careful what you wish for. How would some of you feel with the all ireland final being Dublin v Dublin. Ultimately it would be so wrong on the fans too. I can't see it happening for a long time and hopefully never."
Dublin V Dublin would be great,two individual teams,a great moment for our capital city.
Splitting Dublin is just part of the answer as outlined several times on this thread and also flagging the greater number of players playing county representative football....another 90 players with the three additional panels,sure its a win win for those partaking of gaelic football in Dublin.
There will be a handful of supporters peeved but that will wear off in time when the come to realize the success it will have been.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 21:08:11    2330578

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Never said a truer word realdub."
There will be some in Kerry that want to settle for beating the Dublin Goliath once every couple decades or maybe just once in a lifetime and it will keep them sufficiently sated but the great majority of Kerry gaa people I'm sure would prefer a level,fair and even competition for all representative teams...hence also the amalgamated teams for the championship ONLY.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 21:32:06    2330579

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Dublin V Dublin would be great,two individual teams,a great moment for our capital city.
Splitting Dublin is just part of the answer as outlined several times on this thread and also flagging the greater number of players playing county representative football....another 90 players with the three additional panels,sure its a win win for those partaking of gaelic football in Dublin.
There will be a handful of supporters peeved but that will wear off in time when the come to realize the success it will have been."
Look ontheditch yes in time people and fans will adapt. We always adapt to change but it would take time. For future generations yes it would be fantastic but for us now I don't think we would buy into it too easily and might water down our interest. I suppose try look at it from your own county perspective. Would you like Limerick split between city and county. It might be good for players but not for the fans. It does make for good discussion but it should ve left at that. End of!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 07/02/2021 21:34:51    2330580

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "It's getting a bit like the" Ulster Says No" and the "Never Never Never " utterances,it has to happen and its only a part of whats required overall for proper competitiveness and fairness.
Another parallel with the North is its similarity with the gerrymandering that went on there for generations but it had to go eventually.
Dublin might say NO but fairness,relatively even competitiveness and equal opportunity says YES!"
"You mention hysterics in your reply to me...no hysterics from me.I admire Dublin and their success.I remember when we in the GAA were very worried about possibly losing Dublin as things were not good in the Capital.I agree that part of this was the thought of losing the revenue from the Dublin supporters,not officially but we all knew it.I have never ran down Dublin or their achievements..."

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 07/02/2021 22:08:43    2330587

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I see your point but this year was a strange year in particular and Dublin through no fault of their own had a handy enough run. The 3 main contenders Kerry Donegal and Tyrone all fell. Even Mayo were a team that was relegated to div 2 so while yes Dublin won the all ireland very easily last year its hard to judge."
Mick it's wrong of you to degrade the achievements of Cavan Tipp and Mayo in 2020, they won their provincial championships fair and square and deserved their wins.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/02/2021 22:15:08    2330588

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