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So the other 31 counties have to change their identity and culture to satisfy Dublin. Be much easier to last the 275 thousand people living in dun laoighre to have a team of their own than amalgamate. You don't see London have just one team in the premier league...why should Dublin have one team in the championship. monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 07/12/2020 18:58:17 2319919 Link 1 |
What would DUP think of that.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 07/12/2020 19:04:43 2319920 Link 1 |
Ah come on.no way.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 07/12/2020 19:06:37 2319923 Link 0 |
Even if cavan and Monaghan merged it's still only a population of what 130 000 people big different than 1.3 million in Dublin. Split Dublin into six and have there own provincial championship among the 6 of them as a fifth province. Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 07/12/2020 19:14:15 2319925 Link 0 |
Cavan and Leitrim would be better mates to go together, east and west Breifne, they are the same kind of people, Cavan and Monaghan would be big rivals. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 07/12/2020 19:20:32 2319927 Link 0 |
Lol at that story Forcing teams to amalgamate or split is crazy and can only lead to resentment. I would not be against giving county teams the option to amalgamate for the championship if they wish but it should not be forced on anybody, and the traditional county format should stay for the national league. In Kerry, smaller clubs (often bitter rivals) amalgamate and play as 'divisional' teams for the County championship. The system works well for the most part and it gives players from smaller clubs a genuine chance of silverware. If a club goes senior they have the option to go it alone. I believe that system has been a big part of Kerry's success as it allows players from smaller teams a platform at the business end of the championship that they would never otherwise have. The league is the better competition anyway imo and I have always thought it should be moved to the summer, raising its profile and importance. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/12/2020 19:20:45 2319928 Link 1 |
It might seem like a wild idea now but just talking about it gets the dial moving. If fans outside of Dublin expect it to be split up then there going to need to realise that a more radical structural reform is really required to create a more equal competition. Splitting Dublin might help Kerry and Donegal but it does nothing for Carlow or Longford. If we're really interested in equality than we need to think beyond our own selfish desires. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 07/12/2020 19:22:06 2319929 Link 0 |
I don't think many Dublin supporters/GAA people would ever allow it to happen. If the GAA insisted on it I think we'd see a similar situation to the famous Mayo club within the county Roscommon boundary. They've always been part of Mayo GAA is their argument; whilst a unique situation I understand it. If Dublin were split in two on the orders of the GAA I think you'd find clubs, members and fans would allign themselves purely to one of the split areas and refer to itself as county "Dublin"; all following that set up; leaving the other as a very poor relation; if it was even able to survive a few years. Like Ballaghadereen don't allign themselves to Roscommon GAA; I suspect any new set up in Dublin would simply ignore it and continue to compete and follow a wider Dublin set up - as Ballaghadereen have shown it's impossible to question a GAA club's/counties sense of belonging. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 07/12/2020 19:26:00 2319932 Link 0 |
Does winning an Ulster championships not constitute proving yourself? Only to go out and take a pasting from a Dublin team in 2nd or 3rd gear. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 07/12/2020 19:30:54 2319936 Link 1 |
jesus you would think we were trying to reinvent the wheel. We already have the answer in each county Senior Intermediate and Junior all ireland championships. It wont sort out Dublin dominance at Senior and i dont know what will. If the money is more evenly distributed sheer numbers will still mean that the dubs will remain well ahead but at least if there are approx 10 teams in each championship at least 22 teams will have a genuine hope of winning an all ireland title each year not one as it is this year and 4 to 5 in an average year. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 07/12/2020 19:31:35 2319937 Link 0 |
Monaghan population is probably only 20% of corks and they've nowhere near the football pedigree, historically, but over the last 10 years they've been as good as them,, if not better. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 07/12/2020 19:33:41 2319942 Link 0 |
i you let Cavan and Monaghan join you would need 4 refs on the field for the training matches. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 07/12/2020 19:42:23 2319948 Link 0 |
No it isn't. Dublin has no community spirit by virtue of the fact that it's a city. Many people in Dublin have never met nor spoken to their next door neighbours. There is also a massive cultural divide between north and south, that is further reflected in education with a public/private school divide. There are several good reasons to split Dublin, the main one being the lack of a unified Dublin identity. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 07/12/2020 19:42:56 2319949 Link 0 |
Exactly.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2020 19:43:27 2319950 Link 1 |
Please show us a map of how would split Dublin into 6. I think some you lads just want to wear a blindfold and drawn random lines on a map.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 07/12/2020 19:52:41 2319956 Link 0 |
Intercounty system is not comparable to club football in England.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 07/12/2020 19:55:08 2319958 Link 0 |
I would'nt for a minute be in agreement with splitting Dublin in any shape or form but using the argument that it would lower standards is wrong. Surely the general concensus is that the standard of actual football is very low as it stands at the minute
UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 145 - 07/12/2020 20:00:23 2319959 Link 0 |
Doesn't that apply to all major cities in Ireland now though? Here in Galway there is little community unity,, the city is as divided as it has ever been in my lifetime.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 07/12/2020 20:15:05 2319972 Link 1 |
The other counties are not been asked to change their identity, it is others like C O' Rourke who are demanding it with years that Dublin split, it seems every opportunity he gets he brings it to the fore, surely if its population is a factor then it should be looked in the overall context, as a county like Leitrim with a small population will not benefit from Dublin splitting. The benefit will go primarily to the next strongest county and you are left with the Dubs not having a football identity. Dublin has had many barren years. If population is the issue why are Dublin not having success at minor level?. Neither are Dublin having success at hurling despite the population. Mayo and Kerry have either drawn or lost narrowly to Dublin in the last five years, so it is competitive, the problem is too few counties are competitive. If you split Dublin you will have one less competitive county as it stands and you will have a very disaffected county that will not have an identity. Playing the games is more important and the GAA would not want participation levels to fall. Surely if counties like Leitrim, Sligo and Fermanagh are to have any hope of All-Ireland success it will only be in the context of amalgamation. A shared success is better than no success. Perhaps Monaghan and Cavan are too strong in order to consider amalgamation but they undoubtedly would be a big force in the event of amalgamation. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 07/12/2020 20:39:39 2319981 Link 0 |
I agree, junior intermediate and senior All Irelands, look at the joy clubs get from winning a junior title, they know they will never be able to compete with the senior clubs, it also gives the junior and intermediate players a better chance of being called up to the county team if they are good enough. Maybe Dublin could be divided in 2 but that would take a lot of figuring out, I'm not sure it's a great idea anyway, Kerry Tyrone Mayo Donegal Galway Cork etc have the potential to beat Dublin in the next few years, Mayo might even do it in 2 weeks time and the rest of us will be chomping at the bit to get going again in 2021 to give a better account of ourselves. Spread the money around better and apply a few rule changes to make the game better, get rid of the mark, I hate it, it's turning us into Aussie rules. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 07/12/2020 20:44:29 2319982 Link 1 |