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All Ireland Football Final 2020 - Dublin V Mayo

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Reasonable person ? Just pointing out the fact not making anything up.
You can also see exactly the same thing most years in premiership, Bundesliga and La Liga. It's quiet common actually."
What game in the Premier league ever had odds like any of the games Dublin have played so far in this years Championship ? What team has gone unbeaten for years in the Premier League ? None.

I think you have misunderstood the point which is that major upsets are more common in all other team sports than in Gaelic football. Leicester a few year's ago were 5000/1 to win the Premier League. Simply would not happen in Gaelic football.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 15:56:36    2323202

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Firstly, I'd just like to say how amazing it is that we have a final to look forward to at all. Earlier in the year it looked extremely unlikely that we'd see any football or hurling in 2020. So all of the teams, management, support staff and the GAA in general deserve immense credit for getting both championships played to conclusion.

As for the game itself, I think we can look forward to a good competitive match. Mayo can certainly match Dublin in terms of physicality and pace. There will be no issue with hunger that's for sure. Mayo's inside forward line have been in ominous form and the addition of the likes of Moran and O'Donoghue has injected some youthful exuberance. Their kickouts remain an issue and it will be very interesting to see how they go there. Dublin will likely squeeze up to put the pressure on.

What more can be said about Dublin? A team for this and all ages. They just do things so simply but deadly effectively. Their options are frightening and it's this fact that tilts the game in their favour for me. As I mentioned earlier I think Mayo can certainly match them, but only up to a certain point. I think Dublin will simply pose too many questions for Mayo to answer and they they'll pull away in the closing 10-15 minutes, possibly winning comfortably enough by about 6 or 7 points.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9748 - 17/12/2020 16:04:53    2323204

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "What game in the Premier league ever had odds like any of the games Dublin have played so far in this years Championship ? What team has gone unbeaten for years in the Premier League ? None.

I think you have misunderstood the point which is that major upsets are more common in all other team sports than in Gaelic football. Leicester a few year's ago were 5000/1 to win the Premier League. Simply would not happen in Gaelic football."
The Leicester example was a once off really so not the norm by any stretch.
If you consider league games also there are quiet often results where the favourites lose.
Dublin in the championship are on an incredible run but the championship is not what you could consider a properly structured competition.
Anyway, sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 17/12/2020 16:06:26    2323205

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Replying To tonguey:  "Why do you keep replying to posts I put up so? I think you might be a cross person."
yeah, you're right....

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 17/12/2020 16:15:08    2323206

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Replying To avonali:  "yeah, you're right...."
NPHET meeting today too

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 17/12/2020 16:19:30    2323209

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "The Leicester example was a once off really so not the norm by any stretch.
If you consider league games also there are quiet often results where the favourites lose.
Dublin in the championship are on an incredible run but the championship is not what you could consider a properly structured competition.
Anyway, sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one."
I believe its more to do with the game itself than the structure of the competition. If you were to devise a new game today it certainly wouldn't be Gaelic football or hurling.

Let's imagine the GAA never existed and soccer was the national game ( Ireland would probably have won at least the Euros by now) with an amateur status and followed with the same passion, then I'm confident that this single team dominance wouldn't exist , that's why soccer is the peoples game and the most popular in the world.

Ireland has been lumbered by badly thought out games unfortunately.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 16:22:01    2323210

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Joxer:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  ""Money does not make Con dance through our defence or Rock kick a pressure free" Rock is a good free taker, so what ? Most counties have a good free taker. It's hardly the greatest skill in the world, bloody hell.

Is "money" a simplistic term for "long term sustained financial investment". Don't try and tell me that that professional coaching, facilities etc etc cannot improve players. And all of this is paid for by a thing we call "money"."
What long term sustained investment was there in the Dublin senior football ahead of them winning the title in 2011? What are these etc, etcs that you are referring to?"
It's well documented , even you should know that !"]If it's well documented then you should be able to give us the facts and figures.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 17/12/2020 16:31:40    2323213

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Why on earth is the final on a Saturday night? It should be on Sunday afternoon. The GAA mention tradition a lot but when it comes to facilitating tv stations it seems tradition is blown out the window."
another advantage for the dubs, who have played several games under lights there already this year.

club51 (Mayo) - Posts: 395 - 17/12/2020 16:33:43    2323215

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "I certainly don't know of anyone who has memorabilia related to 6 in a row under the tree. We're certainly not taking Mayo for granted. If Mayo do win it'll be because they earn it. We have a new manager, some new additions to the panel and some of the best players to play the game have retired so it's not a foregone conclusion by any means.
If we win , I'll be delighted but winning last year was special, this would be icing on the Christmas cake."
Here you go, they are flying out the door for him he tells me! https://patrickdonald.com/129-dublin-football

Its hard to see any other result other than a Dublin win (x8 points)

club51 (Mayo) - Posts: 395 - 17/12/2020 16:38:48    2323217

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Replying To Joxer:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Joxer:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  ""Money does not make Con dance through our defence or Rock kick a pressure free" Rock is a good free taker, so what ? Most counties have a good free taker. It's hardly the greatest skill in the world, bloody hell.

Is "money" a simplistic term for "long term sustained financial investment". Don't try and tell me that that professional coaching, facilities etc etc cannot improve players. And all of this is paid for by a thing we call "money"."
What long term sustained investment was there in the Dublin senior football ahead of them winning the title in 2011? What are these etc, etcs that you are referring to?"
It's well documented , even you should know that !"]If it's well documented then you should be able to give us the facts and figures."]This is the problem with fair weather fans, they don't seem to know a lot when it comes to it. I thought google existed in Dublin as well. If you have it, try it, its all there for you to try and read.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 16:39:27    2323218

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Replying To Joxer:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Joxer:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  ""Money does not make Con dance through our defence or Rock kick a pressure free" Rock is a good free taker, so what ? Most counties have a good free taker. It's hardly the greatest skill in the world, bloody hell.

Is "money" a simplistic term for "long term sustained financial investment". Don't try and tell me that that professional coaching, facilities etc etc cannot improve players. And all of this is paid for by a thing we call "money"."
What long term sustained investment was there in the Dublin senior football ahead of them winning the title in 2011? What are these etc, etcs that you are referring to?"
It's well documented , even you should know that !"]If it's well documented then you should be able to give us the facts and figures."]Have u heard of google?? Surely you have! If you google Dublin funding GAA it all comes up.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 17/12/2020 16:41:39    2323220

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Replying To club51:  "another advantage for the dubs, who have played several games under lights there already this year."
It's so they can all watch "Fair Ch**y" on a Sunday evening Lol.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 16:41:40    2323221

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Replying To club51:  "another advantage for the dubs, who have played several games under lights there already this year."
Well Mayo should have said we want a Sunday afternoon final. Until county boards stand up to these little Dublin benefits nothing will change. Remember when the choice of referee was questioned by people in Kerry. There was uproar.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 17/12/2020 16:48:41    2323223

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "What game in the Premier league ever had odds like any of the games Dublin have played so far in this years Championship ? What team has gone unbeaten for years in the Premier League ? None.

I think you have misunderstood the point which is that major upsets are more common in all other team sports than in Gaelic football. Leicester a few year's ago were 5000/1 to win the Premier League. Simply would not happen in Gaelic football."
You can't compare the premier league structure to the GAA championship. It's chalk and cheese. There's been dominance by individuals and teams in many sports over the years.

Soccer: Juventus have won Serie A 9 seasons on the trot. Celtic won 9 SPL titles on the trot

Snooker: John Pullman won 8 WC titles in a row. Hendry won 5

Darts: Taylor won 8 WC titles in a row

F1: Hamilton has won 6 of the last 7 WCs

GAA: Cork ladies won 11 out of 12 AI football titles.

Just some examples and all unbackable in their pomp.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 17/12/2020 16:54:48    2323226

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Replying To club51:  "Here you go, they are flying out the door for him he tells me! https://patrickdonald.com/129-dublin-football

Its hard to see any other result other than a Dublin win (x8 points)"
I still think Mayo might just upset the Gods and win this one.....
Just wondering if one had €1000 would they be that confident Dublin would win and Lump the whole lot on Dublin even at bad odds!
I definitely wouldn't be confident.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2554 - 17/12/2020 16:55:32    2323227

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Replying To club51:  "Here you go, they are flying out the door for him he tells me! https://patrickdonald.com/129-dublin-football

Its hard to see any other result other than a Dublin win (x8 points)"
A fella could be forgiven for thinking you're frightened outta your wits to contemplate a Mayo win.
If you keep telling yourself Mayo will be beaten it's like it comforts you.
Jays, I hope the players have a bit more to them than you.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 17/12/2020 17:12:42    2323234

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "What game in the Premier league ever had odds like any of the games Dublin have played so far in this years Championship ? What team has gone unbeaten for years in the Premier League ? None.

I think you have misunderstood the point which is that major upsets are more common in all other team sports than in Gaelic football. Leicester a few year's ago were 5000/1 to win the Premier League. Simply would not happen in Gaelic football."
You wouldn't get odds of 5000/1 in Gaelic football for any county to win the all Ireland for a start.
The fact that Leicester had to win a league over 40 odd matches made their odds ridiculously large.

This has to have been one of if not the greatest achievement a team in any sport as an underdog to win something.

You will never see the equal to this in either football or hurling.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 17/12/2020 17:18:59    2323235

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Replying To Donegalman:  "You wouldn't get odds of 5000/1 in Gaelic football for any county to win the all Ireland for a start.
The fact that Leicester had to win a league over 40 odd matches made their odds ridiculously large.

This has to have been one of if not the greatest achievement a team in any sport as an underdog to win something.

You will never see the equal to this in either football or hurling."
And you wouldn't get odds of 1/100 on a single match like what Dublin were v Cavan , that's the whole point.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 17:27:09    2323237

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Replying To Donegalman:  "You wouldn't get odds of 5000/1 in Gaelic football for any county to win the all Ireland for a start.
The fact that Leicester had to win a league over 40 odd matches made their odds ridiculously large.

This has to have been one of if not the greatest achievement a team in any sport as an underdog to win something.

You will never see the equal to this in either football or hurling."
And I'll gladly offer you Carlow at 10,000/1 for next years Sam if you want.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 17:29:13    2323238

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Replying To Joxer:  "You can't compare the premier league structure to the GAA championship. It's chalk and cheese. There's been dominance by individuals and teams in many sports over the years.

Soccer: Juventus have won Serie A 9 seasons on the trot. Celtic won 9 SPL titles on the trot

Snooker: John Pullman won 8 WC titles in a row. Hendry won 5

Darts: Taylor won 8 WC titles in a row

F1: Hamilton has won 6 of the last 7 WCs

GAA: Cork ladies won 11 out of 12 AI football titles.

Just some examples and all unbackable in their pomp."
What teams did Taylor, Henry, Pullman or Hamilton play for ? Were Juve or Celtic ever beaten by a so called minnow or anyone for that matter along the way ? I think you'll find they were.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/12/2020 17:36:51    2323239

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