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Sideline Cut 2 Points Is A Terrible Proposal...

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The GAA have tried it before, during the 2005 league, when two points were awarded for a sideline cut. The numbers suggested that it worked; in 49 Division One League games in 2004, there were only four points scored from sideline cuts; in 49 games in the 2005 league, ten sideline cuts were landed.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 461 - 01/12/2020 17:28:29    2317388

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Replying To Ollie2:  "The GAA have tried it before, during the 2005 league, when two points were awarded for a sideline cut. The numbers suggested that it worked; in 49 Division One League games in 2004, there were only four points scored from sideline cuts; in 49 games in the 2005 league, ten sideline cuts were landed."
Game has moved on alot sense then, 5 scored by 1 team alone last Sunday

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3825 - 01/12/2020 20:25:55    2317448

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Replying To Ban:  "I think there should be a ban on co-commentators praising a successful sideline cut like its some act of God, but then criticising a failed attempt saying it was a very poor decision to take it on :-)"
I think there should be a ban on commentators, especially Marty and Dessie Dolan at the football.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1799 - 01/12/2020 21:08:01    2317469

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Am fine with one point for a sideline cut,its a great skill and a point is a just reward.If it aint broken don't fix it!
I have an issue with some sidelines being awarded when the player in possession is pushed out over the line and no free given to him.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 01/12/2020 21:15:49    2317472

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If a ball goes over the bar it should be worth the Same amount of points regardless of how it gets over. It's not even an argument worth having

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 02/12/2020 05:45:37    2317545

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Am fine with one point for a sideline cut,its a great skill and a point is a just reward.If it aint broken don't fix it!
I have an issue with some sidelines being awarded when the player in possession is pushed out over the line and no free given to him."
Course you are going to try push him out, or at least stand in his way to give him little or no option.
I HATE in a match when a player is expecting a free for being forced out over the sideline, with the crowd inevitably roaring for a free, as if a defender should just get out of his way.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 02/12/2020 15:16:09    2317701

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While I love the sideline cut I am very slow on changing rules unless absolutely necessary. Get well Joe Canning.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 02/12/2020 18:15:14    2317749

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Theres quite a difference between being forced over the sideline and blatantly pushed.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 02/12/2020 20:01:11    2317796

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A sideline cut over the bar is a great skill and beautiful to watch, but no way it should be 2 points to me a point is point no matter how it's scored whether it's from a long range free/ a side line cut or if a shot scored only 15 yards out in front of the goal.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 02/12/2020 22:04:52    2317834

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It would have been totally ridiculous to have had that proposal approved when many of the points scored from play where players are been marked and under pressure can be far more skillful.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 02/12/2020 23:06:34    2317848

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Theres quite a difference between being forced over the sideline and blatantly pushed."
I bet when a Limerick player forces a player out over the line, you are up on your feet roaring at him :)

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 03/12/2020 07:35:21    2317863

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If you don't wish to recognize the diference between forcing as in taking the opponents ground and leaving him with no option but going out over the line and blatantly pushing the player in the back with arms and body that's ok,that's your choice but it makes a statement!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 03/12/2020 11:56:20    2317909

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It should be 2 points, it is a wonderful skill imho.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2276 - 03/12/2020 12:03:41    2317914

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Why not make the goal mouth twice as wide to encourage more goals? Or make goals worth 5 or 6 points? When you alter a great sport unnecessarily you ruin past statistics. It should be extremely hard to change any rules of the sport.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 03/12/2020 13:08:56    2317926

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Why not make the goal mouth twice as wide to encourage more goals? Or make goals worth 5 or 6 points? When you alter a great sport unnecessarily you ruin past statistics. It should be extremely hard to change any rules of the sport."
Why not present a small keen and invested group to. ook at ALL possible changes to the current sport to see what if any changes might make a difference and then propose some for review and then use them for an experimental period to see what difference if any they make.
We should not be slaves of the past and I believe that while hurling is a great sport, we should open our minds to altering and or changing things if they would improve the playing and watching of the sport.
We now have no hand passed scores...ground hurling is more or less dead... no doubling on the ball in the air... plenty of rucks for possession... throw ins are bordering on the farcical... cynical fouling by defenders in particular on forwards bearing down on goals...so perhaps it's time to.look at bringing about change that would better the game.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1637 - 03/12/2020 13:34:04    2317935

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While I think the sideline cut is a savage piece of skill I don't think it would be right to potentially penalise a team with 2 points for just knocking a ball out the sideline while it's potentially a point for skelping someone with a hurl, when it's a free in. It doesn't add up for me.

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 03/12/2020 14:13:58    2317946

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Replying To carlowman:  "Why not present a small keen and invested group to. ook at ALL possible changes to the current sport to see what if any changes might make a difference and then propose some for review and then use them for an experimental period to see what difference if any they make.
We should not be slaves of the past and I believe that while hurling is a great sport, we should open our minds to altering and or changing things if they would improve the playing and watching of the sport.
We now have no hand passed scores...ground hurling is more or less dead... no doubling on the ball in the air... plenty of rucks for possession... throw ins are bordering on the farcical... cynical fouling by defenders in particular on forwards bearing down on goals...so perhaps it's time to.look at bringing about change that would better the game."
Love your way of thinking but anything which even dares to change something like cynical fouling is shouted down by the "oh the game is fine, leave it alone" brigade.
Yes the game might be fine, but why not trial another way if it can be made better or the advantage be given to the attacking player?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 03/12/2020 16:06:49    2317966

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Replying To carlowman:  "Why not present a small keen and invested group to. ook at ALL possible changes to the current sport to see what if any changes might make a difference and then propose some for review and then use them for an experimental period to see what difference if any they make.
We should not be slaves of the past and I believe that while hurling is a great sport, we should open our minds to altering and or changing things if they would improve the playing and watching of the sport.
We now have no hand passed scores...ground hurling is more or less dead... no doubling on the ball in the air... plenty of rucks for possession... throw ins are bordering on the farcical... cynical fouling by defenders in particular on forwards bearing down on goals...so perhaps it's time to.look at bringing about change that would better the game."
Great points you made there. I think a SAFETY related item should get a go ahead relatively easily but I'm talking about the main gist of the game. Alter things too much then you go away from what made it great.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 03/12/2020 20:06:34    2318014

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Replying To carlowman:  "Why not present a small keen and invested group to. ook at ALL possible changes to the current sport to see what if any changes might make a difference and then propose some for review and then use them for an experimental period to see what difference if any they make.
We should not be slaves of the past and I believe that while hurling is a great sport, we should open our minds to altering and or changing things if they would improve the playing and watching of the sport.
We now have no hand passed scores...ground hurling is more or less dead... no doubling on the ball in the air... plenty of rucks for possession... throw ins are bordering on the farcical... cynical fouling by defenders in particular on forwards bearing down on goals...so perhaps it's time to.look at bringing about change that would better the game."
The game has changed and will continue to change. Most of the rules that exist belong to a game from the past. Lets be honest the players of yesterday would not keep up to the modern player with a bicycle. That is not saying the games did not produce fabulous players in the past but with a some what different skill set. A wise man once said. Do what you did in the past and you will fail. Only continue to do what is required today and you will fail. Do what you need to do for tomorrow and you will grow and prosper. Changes are always needed and not for the sake of change. I have seen some doses of throw ins lately. Two guys lined up for it and the ref throws it to a player off to the side on his own.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1644 - 03/12/2020 22:45:16    2318039

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