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ALL RESPECT TO THEM , A GREAT FOOTBALL COUNTY BUT IV ALWAYS WONDERED WHY THEY HAD SUCH A POOR RETURN ON THEIR 40 ULSTER WINS, 5 ALL IRELANDS? Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 29/11/2020 18:20:48 2316563 Link 0 |
Who are we talking about here ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/11/2020 18:30:51 2316570 Link 2 |
Cavan....used to dominate. Ulster football. Have a great history.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 29/11/2020 18:34:33 2316574 Link 2 |
Why are you shouting?? Majority of their Ulster wins are before world war 2 and most Ulster counties records arent fantastic. rarely got to all ireland finals in old pre qualifiers system KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 29/11/2020 18:37:18 2316576 Link 0 |
Cavan
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/11/2020 18:41:05 2316580 Link 1 |
Cavan I assume
M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 461 - 29/11/2020 18:44:34 2316581 Link 0 |
Cavan. I think Cavan had it handy when they won a lot of the early Ulster titles. The book on Charlie Gallagher said they hardly trained before Ulster finals. That's not to play down the achievement, but they weren't hard earned by going by research. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 29/11/2020 18:48:35 2316585 Link 0 |
This is true, all Ulster counties have terrible All Ireland records once they became Ulster champions with the possible exception of Down: Down: 5 All Irelands won from 12 Ulster championship titles Cavan: 5/40 Donegal: 2/10 Tyrone: 1/15 Armagh: 1/14 Derry: 1/7 Monaghan: 0/16 Antrim: 0/9 Fermanagh: 0/0 Tyrone won 2 more All Irelands through the qualifiers. M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 461 - 29/11/2020 19:02:19 2316601 Link 0 |
Hard to believe for such a big county but Donegal didn't win their first Senior Ulster title until 1972.Cavan had 38 titles won by then.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 29/11/2020 19:18:58 2316607 Link 1 |
Well your own county had five All Irelands won over three decades before they had and like mine its over a hundred years since they won one. My own county was the first non Leinster to beat the mighty Dubs, yet they also then disappeared.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 29/11/2020 19:41:30 2316618 Link 0 |
I also think that some Ulster counties, Derry and Fermanagh did not even compete in the Ulster Senior Championship at times. The incentives to the schools probably helped improve the situation. Up to the nineties Ulster teams had a below average win rate in Finals and Semifinals. Confidence and scientific coaching I believe played a big role in changing that.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 29/11/2020 20:20:12 2316645 Link 0 |
Yeah I think Cavan had a County board before a few counties had even a team.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 29/11/2020 20:44:52 2316659 Link 0 |
I might be wrong but I think GAA only really restated in Donegal in the 50s/60s. Didn't even get to a Ulster final until the 60s I think.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 30/11/2020 10:10:35 2316780 Link 0 |
Hard to know for sure. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/11/2020 10:30:44 2316795 Link 0 |
Dodgy refs from the semi-final stage. Some terrible decisions and and extreme violence are well documented. That would certainly account for some of them Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 30/11/2020 12:43:20 2316881 Link 1 |
Jaysus you're an expert on this too
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 30/11/2020 12:50:10 2316887 Link 2 |
Ciaran Branagan this time around. You'd hope for a fair cracking at least. The challenge facing us is tough enough as it is. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 30/11/2020 13:02:17 2316899 Link 1 |
Should have beaten Cork in All Ireland semifinal in 1967! Cork won by a point 2-7 to 0-12 , but Cavan were the better team. Charlie Gallagher was a great player for them. Hope they attack Dubs like they did to Donegal!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 30/11/2020 13:03:09 2316901 Link 1 |
Ah it's one of those things that's down to several factors. TheBlackDeath (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 30/11/2020 13:40:43 2316919 Link 3 |
Our first breakthrough team came in the 60s, we had been around before then but not competitive. But yes our first ever Ulster final was in 1963 against Down which we lost, we then lost against them again in 1966. I believe we were knocked out by Down or Cavan nearly every year in the 60s, and apart from ourselves I think they contested every Ulster final in that decade. So we were up against two very good sides, and in Down arguably one of the greatest ever, when our first good team came along. Cavan dominated for years I think it was the 50s before Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Down all got their first provincial titles but I may be wrong on that. There is a very good article in the Irish Times yesterday from Paul Fitzpatrick of the Anglo Celt. A lovely read. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 30/11/2020 14:13:21 2316938 Link 0 |