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Is It Time To Be More Careful Of The Language We Use?

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I've noticed terms freely used in the forums that are highly questionable.
In one county forum -not difficult to guess which one- Dublin fans are players are referred to as 'The Huns.' I would have thought that such a term, with all its sectarian and historical associations, has no place in a forum like. this. In Scotland usage of this term can get you into serious trouble...it is deemed sectarian and divisive. I am mystified as to why a county supporter would resort to borrowing a word from used by one Glasgow soccer club to describe their rivals.
I've also noticed usages like "True Gaels"??? How does that speak to the many sons and daughters of immigrants who now play GAA?
The old cliche that Dublin people reside in "The Pale" and are somehow less Irish that those outside, -despite many having parents from outside Dublin-is still wheeled out. The point is that a barely concealed hostility for anything having a remote association with Britain -whether that association with Britain be real or imagined- lurks just beneath the surface, ready to be deployed when somebody wants to lob a mindless insult. I thought we had settled our differences with Britain when we welcomed members of the Royal family into Croke Park?
Then we have usages like "feral" "flat dwellers" etc etc. to refer to Dubliners.Again the lazy association . Dublin has social problems like any major city but what does it say about the values of the person who uses these terms to insult others. Since when was it wrong to be poor, or wrong to live in a flat complex.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 29/11/2020 11:13:30    2316405

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Replying To avonali:  "I've noticed terms freely used in the forums that are highly questionable.
In one county forum -not difficult to guess which one- Dublin fans are players are referred to as 'The Huns.' I would have thought that such a term, with all its sectarian and historical associations, has no place in a forum like. this. In Scotland usage of this term can get you into serious trouble...it is deemed sectarian and divisive. I am mystified as to why a county supporter would resort to borrowing a word from used by one Glasgow soccer club to describe their rivals.
I've also noticed usages like "True Gaels"??? How does that speak to the many sons and daughters of immigrants who now play GAA?
The old cliche that Dublin people reside in "The Pale" and are somehow less Irish that those outside, -despite many having parents from outside Dublin-is still wheeled out. The point is that a barely concealed hostility for anything having a remote association with Britain -whether that association with Britain be real or imagined- lurks just beneath the surface, ready to be deployed when somebody wants to lob a mindless insult. I thought we had settled our differences with Britain when we welcomed members of the Royal family into Croke Park?
Then we have usages like "feral" "flat dwellers" etc etc. to refer to Dubliners.Again the lazy association . Dublin has social problems like any major city but what does it say about the values of the person who uses these terms to insult others. Since when was it wrong to be poor, or wrong to live in a flat complex."
We've a bit to go before we've 'settled our differences with Britain'. But we're moving towards that inevitability slowly buy surely.


Agree with everything else you say.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4693 - 29/11/2020 11:34:33    2316412

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Replying To avonali:  "I've noticed terms freely used in the forums that are highly questionable.
In one county forum -not difficult to guess which one- Dublin fans are players are referred to as 'The Huns.' I would have thought that such a term, with all its sectarian and historical associations, has no place in a forum like. this. In Scotland usage of this term can get you into serious trouble...it is deemed sectarian and divisive. I am mystified as to why a county supporter would resort to borrowing a word from used by one Glasgow soccer club to describe their rivals.
I've also noticed usages like "True Gaels"??? How does that speak to the many sons and daughters of immigrants who now play GAA?
The old cliche that Dublin people reside in "The Pale" and are somehow less Irish that those outside, -despite many having parents from outside Dublin-is still wheeled out. The point is that a barely concealed hostility for anything having a remote association with Britain -whether that association with Britain be real or imagined- lurks just beneath the surface, ready to be deployed when somebody wants to lob a mindless insult. I thought we had settled our differences with Britain when we welcomed members of the Royal family into Croke Park?
Then we have usages like "feral" "flat dwellers" etc etc. to refer to Dubliners.Again the lazy association . Dublin has social problems like any major city but what does it say about the values of the person who uses these terms to insult others. Since when was it wrong to be poor, or wrong to live in a flat complex."
Was it you or another dublin poster that said offence isnt given its taken?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/11/2020 11:36:07    2316413

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I absolutely agree and it will be passed off as "banter" as a reason to excuse it. Personally, there was a time that labelling us flat dwellers etc wouldve really wound me up, and then (and I can only speak for myself here) I grew up a little bit and I've realised that you cant change peoples opinions on certain issues but particularly when it comes to things like Dublin, our advantages etc, and to be fair, some Dublin fans are every bit as annoying when they cant see the wood from the trees and defend everything we get and advantages we have so I just dont tend to really engage and take notice of it. Let people praise who wanna praise, be critical if they wanna be critical. Fume is they want to fume etc and just try engage with the people who you respect and not the empty vessels which as we all know make the most noise especially those vessels who will take time out of their day in the middle of a pandemic, to absolutely slaughter Dubs and label us huns, the pale etc and in fairness, for the sake of balance, Dubs arent innocent here in their choice of words I'm sure.

The internet and anonymous forums like these are the absolute cess pits because people can come on and spout their vitriol with absolutely no hope of repercussion or discipline. In real life you wont meet people like that. In real life you get arrested for such abuse if heard by a member of the guards. Important to note, my experience of HS is much different to the experience of the actual games which is why I miss it so much and cant wait to be able to yo back and watch Dublin in the flesh again because people are more genuine. I dont think I've ever had an experience with a GAA fan in person that has ever ended with a sour taste. Kerry men, mayo men, Tyrone men, genuinely amazing people with different types of upbringing to us but wonderful people one and all.

You'll still have your agreements and disagreements with people but itll all be sorted with a pint and handshake and that'll be that. Here it's totally different. But that's 2020.

For me, this place just isn't what it used to be. It's as obvious as the day is long that it's in its arse and needs interactions, in order to do that they probably allow the odd mischievous comment and label in order to provoke reactions and more posts which is also very wrong and encourages what you are complaining about avonli.

The whole enterprise is gone.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13617 - 29/11/2020 11:50:11    2316420

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Replying To avonali:  "I've noticed terms freely used in the forums that are highly questionable.
In one county forum -not difficult to guess which one- Dublin fans are players are referred to as 'The Huns.' I would have thought that such a term, with all its sectarian and historical associations, has no place in a forum like. this. In Scotland usage of this term can get you into serious trouble...it is deemed sectarian and divisive. I am mystified as to why a county supporter would resort to borrowing a word from used by one Glasgow soccer club to describe their rivals.
I've also noticed usages like "True Gaels"??? How does that speak to the many sons and daughters of immigrants who now play GAA?
The old cliche that Dublin people reside in "The Pale" and are somehow less Irish that those outside, -despite many having parents from outside Dublin-is still wheeled out. The point is that a barely concealed hostility for anything having a remote association with Britain -whether that association with Britain be real or imagined- lurks just beneath the surface, ready to be deployed when somebody wants to lob a mindless insult. I thought we had settled our differences with Britain when we welcomed members of the Royal family into Croke Park?
Then we have usages like "feral" "flat dwellers" etc etc. to refer to Dubliners.Again the lazy association . Dublin has social problems like any major city but what does it say about the values of the person who uses these terms to insult others. Since when was it wrong to be poor, or wrong to live in a flat complex."
jesus you must be board of winning.PALER!

GameofTyronesIsBackhere (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 29/11/2020 12:05:37    2316428

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This site and it's like are just one of a multitude of places where you can read any amount of abusive petty comments from individuals who revel in being able to vent their frustration at all that is wrong in their world and this place gives them a source of other similarly angry people just waiting to be offended and to snap back.
That's Internet forums, that's what you get and the overseers are content once they're getting the hits. It's a symptom of the society we are gradually becoming and a decline in standards which now seems to accept less than decency as the acceptable once you open the door to the anonymous opinion of all and sundry. The language is just one of the tools they use to vent their spleen. The policing is part of the problem too though.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 29/11/2020 12:27:08    2316435

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Replying To GameofTyronesIsBackhere:  "jesus you must be board of winning.PALER!"
You see Game....I could easily respond in kind....and start a whole sh*tshow but that would be utterly pointless and silly.
No fear of you being bored anyway :-).

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 29/11/2020 12:44:03    2316445

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Was it you or another dublin poster that said offence isnt given its taken?"
Asks the man who can burn incandescent with indignation if the honour of the Kingdom is questioned. I won't add a silly smiley face.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 29/11/2020 12:46:47    2316447

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sooooooo...anyone watch the match last night? Some hurlin' eh ?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1043 - 29/11/2020 13:28:25    2316459

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Replying To avonali:  "I've noticed terms freely used in the forums that are highly questionable.
In one county forum -not difficult to guess which one- Dublin fans are players are referred to as 'The Huns.' I would have thought that such a term, with all its sectarian and historical associations, has no place in a forum like. this. In Scotland usage of this term can get you into serious trouble...it is deemed sectarian and divisive. I am mystified as to why a county supporter would resort to borrowing a word from used by one Glasgow soccer club to describe their rivals.
I've also noticed usages like "True Gaels"??? How does that speak to the many sons and daughters of immigrants who now play GAA?
The old cliche that Dublin people reside in "The Pale" and are somehow less Irish that those outside, -despite many having parents from outside Dublin-is still wheeled out. The point is that a barely concealed hostility for anything having a remote association with Britain -whether that association with Britain be real or imagined- lurks just beneath the surface, ready to be deployed when somebody wants to lob a mindless insult. I thought we had settled our differences with Britain when we welcomed members of the Royal family into Croke Park?
Then we have usages like "feral" "flat dwellers" etc etc. to refer to Dubliners.Again the lazy association . Dublin has social problems like any major city but what does it say about the values of the person who uses these terms to insult others. Since when was it wrong to be poor, or wrong to live in a flat complex."
I take on board what you say and certainly words or terms that are offensive to anyone should not be used.We are all gaa fans and what makes us different to sports like soccer is respect.The soccer fans in England have no problem abusing opposing players families and singing horrible stuff which is not banter.On one point though avonoli i have no problem with the term "true Gael".for me what it means is a person that is into the gaa bigtime no matter where they are from.England Usa or wherever.i would often say the true gaels support their teams in good and bad and i would refer to some people that get tickets for all ireland finals but have no interest in the game itself as nor"true gaels".imo everyone on hoganstand are true gaels as it is a gaa site.To finish hope we all think of others more carefully from now on and choose our words better.Thank you Avonali for your honesty.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3034 - 29/11/2020 13:31:22    2316462

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A "true gael" is generally an insufferable individual who thinks only his opinion on GAA matters. The sort of individual who thinks there is no other sport on this planet which produces excitement like the GAA and that anybody playing sport for money should be looked down upon as a mercenary.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1613 - 29/11/2020 14:11:22    2316476

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "sooooooo...anyone watch the match last night? Some hurlin' eh ?"
Wrong thread -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 29/11/2020 14:20:12    2316479

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Unfortunately we live on an island where people take pride in a generic butter name, one picked from a selection of dozens of other twee sounding diddily-didey-do guff by a Northside Dub in order to appeal to foreign markets.

It's the same posters that take pride in the above that are responsible for using the terms mentioned in the original post.

Sort of speaks volumes

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 29/11/2020 15:07:17    2316495

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I take on board what you say and certainly words or terms that are offensive to anyone should not be used.We are all gaa fans and what makes us different to sports like soccer is respect.The soccer fans in England have no problem abusing opposing players families and singing horrible stuff which is not banter.On one point though avonoli i have no problem with the term "true Gael".for me what it means is a person that is into the gaa bigtime no matter where they are from.England Usa or wherever.i would often say the true gaels support their teams in good and bad and i would refer to some people that get tickets for all ireland finals but have no interest in the game itself as nor"true gaels".imo everyone on hoganstand are true gaels as it is a gaa site.To finish hope we all think of others more carefully from now on and choose our words better.Thank you Avonali for your honesty."
Thanks Mick. There was no offence taken at all just curious as to why a Gaa supporter would use a term used by Celtic Supporters to refer to Rangers supporters. I am just interested in the thinking behjnd that. Fair play to you for your fair and balanced response. I have been posting on this forum for years -contrary to the view of one poster -I can remember guys like Snuf and others like Mayo51. Most posters are fair minded and but there are a few who post here VERY regularly and who cannot help but insult my county , its footballers and their achievements. Name calling and childish personalised insults are their stock in trade. One of your county men who was caught using multiple accounts kindly offered me. a boxing match:-D. when he was called out on it. Unpleasant folk to say the least. When you stand up to them they don't like it and start whinging. Anyway, just wanted to say fair play to you.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 29/11/2020 15:17:21    2316499

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Isn't "Hun" a term used by the more undesirable sort of soccer fans over in the UK?

Hooligans and so on..

To think it's being used on a GAA forum..

Sad times for Hoganstand

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 29/11/2020 15:33:04    2316508

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Isn't "Hun" a term used by the more undesirable sort of soccer fans over in the UK?

Hooligans and so on..

To think it's being used on a GAA forum..

Sad times for Hoganstand"
Yes - it is not a sectarian term and likewise would not get you in trouble in Scotland. I think the original post doesn't realise either.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 29/11/2020 16:08:06    2316516

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Yes - it is not a sectarian term and likewise would not get you in trouble in Scotland. I think the original post doesn't realise either."
"This is a term which is regarded by most as an offensive term for Protestant or Church of Scotland members. Anti-sectarian charity Nil by Mouth has clearly stated on a number of occasions that this term is regarded as sectarian and generally the polar opposite of the expression fenian."

-That was taken. from The Scotsman.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 29/11/2020 17:04:23    2316534

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "A "true gael" is generally an insufferable individual who thinks only his opinion on GAA matters. The sort of individual who thinks there is no other sport on this planet which produces excitement like the GAA and that anybody playing sport for money should be looked down upon as a mercenary."
Perfectly put!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5527 - 29/11/2020 17:21:25    2316539

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Call me what you want but don't call me too early in the morning. Hello to all our mountain hillbilly Kerry friends, how's your cousins keeping :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8372 - 29/11/2020 17:52:24    2316549

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I've been to Scotland

I wouldn't use that term

Especially in the current climate.. receiving a Scottish Handshake wouldn't be appropriate.

Claiming that term isn't sectarian is questionable indeed.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 29/11/2020 18:30:46    2316569

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