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Replying To HighKings:  "While I agree Meath are behind, I'm pretty sure Dublin beat Cork, Roscommon and Mayo by double digits in the Championship last year. And the last time they played Galway in the championship they may not have beaten them by double digits but it was very close to it from what I remember. Pretty sure they've also beaten Monaghan by double digits and that was a very good Monaghan team. Even some of the games against Tyrone were they won by roughly 6 points never really felt close. And again they were excellent Tyrone teams. I mean the fact we're discussing a single digits losses as respectable means something is very wrong."
Don't be talking sense now.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 18259 - 05/12/2020 21:07:22    2318811

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Well they brought the fire, but found themselves being tackled in the same way as they tackled Donegal. They kept trying in fairness though I doubt Donegal would have let us away so easily. Hard luck to Cavan.
On the match, I thought the ref did his best for Cavan but it was never going to make much difference.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8372 - 05/12/2020 21:09:15    2318812

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Replying To sligo joe:  "You serious, Meath would win in another province
, at the minute I'd rate Meath 2nd in Leinster, 4th in Munster, 3rd in Connacht and at best 5th in Ulster."
Joe, your being kind rating them 3rd in Connacht and 5th in Ulster.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1270 - 05/12/2020 21:10:53    2318814

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Replying To greatpoint:  "You can tell yourselves that if ye want but realistically Cavan are probably the 5th best team in Ulster. If the 5th best team in Ulster can put up a better fight than the 2nd best team in Leinster then what does that say?"
Clearly we are not the 5th best team in Ulster.

Did you miss the part where we beat Monaghan in 2019? And then again in 2020?
Did you miss the part where we made back to back finals? And are the current champions?

We are slightly behind Tyrone and Donegal, but ahead of Monaghan and Armagh. The rest are dross.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 05/12/2020 21:11:09    2318815

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Replying To realdub:  "Well they brought the fire, but found themselves being tackled in the same way as they tackled Donegal. They kept trying in fairness though I doubt Donegal would have let us away so easily. Hard luck to Cavan.
On the match, I thought the ref did his best for Cavan but it was never going to make much difference."
He did his best for Cavan!!??? Did you somehow manage to keep a straight face writing that!??

Kilkenny could've had a couple of frees late in the first half. Fair enough.

But he let Johnny Cooper off with a blatant black card offence. And he denied us 2 penalties. Then sent off the man who was being pulled and dragged every time a high ball went in on your full back line!

When you see Dublin fans somehow claim that tonight's refereeing performance was unfair on them, you really start to understand just how slanted the all ireland championship is before a ball is even thrown in!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 05/12/2020 21:28:22    2318827

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Replying To HighKings:  "While I agree Meath are behind, I'm pretty sure Dublin beat Cork, Roscommon and Mayo by double digits in the Championship last year. And the last time they played Galway in the championship they may not have beaten them by double digits but it was very close to it from what I remember. Pretty sure they've also beaten Monaghan by double digits and that was a very good Monaghan team. Even some of the games against Tyrone were they won by roughly 6 points never really felt close. And again they were excellent Tyrone teams. I mean the fact we're discussing a single digits losses as respectable means something is very wrong."
They never beat the excellent Tyrone teams, them teams were long gone when Dublin started getting the upper hand. On today's match, Cavan gifted Dublin 5-6 points with silly mistakes. All teams do it and they pounce on it. They play like a machine and were more than ready for whatever way teams play including the high balls in tonight.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1270 - 05/12/2020 21:30:31    2318830

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Clearly we are not the 5th best team in Ulster.

Did you miss the part where we beat Monaghan in 2019? And then again in 2020?
Did you miss the part where we made back to back finals? And are the current champions?

We are slightly behind Tyrone and Donegal, but ahead of Monaghan and Armagh. The rest are dross."
To be fair, Down put it up to ye.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2139 - 05/12/2020 21:30:40    2318832

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Clearly we are not the 5th best team in Ulster.

Did you miss the part where we beat Monaghan in 2019? And then again in 2020?
Did you miss the part where we made back to back finals? And are the current champions?

We are slightly behind Tyrone and Donegal, but ahead of Monaghan and Armagh. The rest are dross."
Genuinely meant no offence by it. I suppose it would be silly to have Cavan ranked below Monaghan given the consecutive victories, I'm probably letting league position guide me too much.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 398 - 05/12/2020 21:31:27    2318833

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The officials missed 2 hand trip infractions by Dublin, this made a huge difference in the end. I am not sure if Dublin will win final as refs will be told to be on the look out for the cynical stuff.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1584 - 05/12/2020 21:36:16    2318838

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Genuinely meant no offence by it. I suppose it would be silly to have Cavan ranked below Monaghan given the consecutive victories, I'm probably letting league position guide me too much."
No hassle, no offence taken.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 05/12/2020 21:44:24    2318843

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "The officials missed 2 hand trip infractions by Dublin, this made a huge difference in the end. I am not sure if Dublin will win final as refs will be told to be on the look out for the cynical stuff."
No they won't. They'll go in knowing they can cross the line and get away with it. It makes a massive difference!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 05/12/2020 21:48:21    2318849

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Replying To Saynothing:  "They never beat the excellent Tyrone teams, them teams were long gone when Dublin started getting the upper hand. On today's match, Cavan gifted Dublin 5-6 points with silly mistakes. All teams do it and they pounce on it. They play like a machine and were more than ready for whatever way teams play including the high balls in tonight."
1 high ball, Cooper should've been black carded.

The one Cluxton punched, Cooper fouled Martin Reilly.

3 more put on top of Galligan, he was pulled out of. No free/penalty, just a red card for daring to question the ignored fouls.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4696 - 05/12/2020 21:50:52    2318854

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Replying To Tox73:  "This football season is nothing but a farce, unwatchable sh-ite, GAA has nearly run its course with the Football championship. Numbers are decreasing in rural areas, Rural Clubs can't field teams, people flocking to Dublin first or second generation. Most counties can't compete with Dublin full stop. Would we even have a watchable championship now with 4 teams? Imagine straight away in 2021 just write off 25/26 counties, they will be training for 6 months for very little or nothing. Players just won't commit and I don't think you could blame them?"
This tier 2 they're imposing on counties will probably become a better competition than the main event. But you won't hear a word of it on rte. It will be all plamasing Dublin on that organisation.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 05/12/2020 21:51:33    2318855

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Replying To superbluedub:  "So you were not around for the Kerry 8 All Irelands in 10 years ?"
With all respect the current Dublin team are a completely different monster than the Kerry team of 40 odd years ago. Different era too.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/12/2020 22:00:57    2318862

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Replying To cavanman47:  "No they won't. They'll go in knowing they can cross the line and get away with it. It makes a massive difference!"
Of course it does. Cooper was a blatant black card! But ref didn't seem to think so. Why?? It was a blatant trip intentionally done. But sure they are different. Can't be upsetting the Dublin players by giving obvious decisions like that.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 05/12/2020 22:11:45    2318865

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Replying To cavanman47:  "1 high ball, Cooper should've been black carded.

The one Cluxton punched, Cooper fouled Martin Reilly.

3 more put on top of Galligan, he was pulled out of. No free/penalty, just a red card for daring to question the ignored fouls."
They should have been putting in those high balls from the very start. And repeatedly. But they wanted to walk it in for some reason.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 05/12/2020 22:12:55    2318867

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Replying To cavanman47:  "1 high ball, Cooper should've been black carded.

The one Cluxton punched, Cooper fouled Martin Reilly.

3 more put on top of Galligan, he was pulled out of. No free/penalty, just a red card for daring to question the ignored fouls."
The referee wasn't a big factor today. It evened out i thought. Kilkenny couldn't buy a free in the first half.

If you want to see a team done by a referee look at Laois in the last 5 min of the 2005 Leinster final v Dublin. Two non existent frees and a 45 where a defender was shoved over the end line. Plus a free in to Laois not given.

CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 05/12/2020 22:15:40    2318869

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Replying To cavanman47:  "1 high ball, Cooper should've been black carded.

The one Cluxton punched, Cooper fouled Martin Reilly.

3 more put on top of Galligan, he was pulled out of. No free/penalty, just a red card for daring to question the ignored fouls."
Take off the blinkers. There were plenty of times I first half Dublin should have had free ins and he let it go. I agree Cooper not away with a push (not a black card) but don't tell me the ref favoured Cavan.

dawals (Dublin) - Posts: 63 - 05/12/2020 22:21:37    2318873

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Replying To Tox73:  "This football season is nothing but a farce, unwatchable sh-ite, GAA has nearly run its course with the Football championship. Numbers are decreasing in rural areas, Rural Clubs can't field teams, people flocking to Dublin first or second generation. Most counties can't compete with Dublin full stop. Would we even have a watchable championship now with 4 teams? Imagine straight away in 2021 just write off 25/26 counties, they will be training for 6 months for very little or nothing. Players just won't commit and I don't think you could blame them?"
You make valid points. Even if there were two or three teams that could match up to Dublin there would still be 28 teams with nothing to play for. I don't think the second tier will do anything for the sport. Why ? Because the National broadcasting net work has no interest in it. Subsequently the public will have no interest. It is too easy blame Dublin for the imbalance but there is some thing fundamentally wrong with the whole structure. Waterford are ranked 31st and to see the effort they put in just trying to be better. How long do anyone think these players will continue never mind the ones who won't play now. This problem exists in both codes but is wall papered over better in hurling. At the same time trying telling that to the so called minnows in hurling.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2209 - 05/12/2020 22:30:48    2318882

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Replying To tonguey:  "Of course it does. Cooper was a blatant black card! But ref didn't seem to think so. Why?? It was a blatant trip intentionally done. But sure they are different. Can't be upsetting the Dublin players by giving obvious decisions like that."
I thought just before ht Kilkenny was tripped, got nothing, so what?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4772 - 05/12/2020 23:05:37    2318900

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