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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Agree, the forward mark is terrible."
That's not the game I grew up playing

The players must be scratching their heads

That's not football

A forward gets out in front, if you're good enough you'll win your possession then the work only starts, you have to beat your man, stay balanced, either get in a position to shoot, find a man, draw a frew or be smart enough to know you don't have any options and make sure not to give away an easy counter attack

Now you catch the ball. That's it.

Nope. That's not football

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 05/12/2020 19:53:56    2318712

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Cavan were game but the Dubs are just a different level. Every time they worked the ball inside it looked like it could be a goal, and definitely there was a huge gap in terms of conditioning.

The efficiency of the Dubs is very impressive, they almost never take on speculative shots."
It's amazing, every point from around the D. Can't understand why teams keep following them out to the wings. Just hold the d!! They drag teams out wide and then run through the middle over and over again

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 234 - 05/12/2020 19:57:45    2318717

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Replying To avonali:  "Have to agree. This game was never a competition. It's getting boring now. They are a fabulous team but the gap is just destroying the game as a spectacle. It's time to call it out."
Or address that they were playing a Div 3 side

Imagine what Kilkenny would have done a few years ago to a Hurling side several places below them in an AI final

There's only really 3 or 4 sides that can beat Dublin

Cavan isn't one of them

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 05/12/2020 19:58:09    2318718

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I'm really starting to get the feeling that what is happening at the All Ireland series is what previously happened to the Leinster championship. Initially Dublin won a lot of consecutive Leinster titles but there was a level of competition in the Leinster championship (up to 2014 Meath Dublin games were fairly competitive).
Then Dublin really started to move away from the pack and no one provided them competition in Leinster. We could now be starting to move to this scenario in the All Ireland series. With all due respect to Tipperary we all have to hope Mayo can surprise us again and put it up to Dublin if they reach the final.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1060 - 05/12/2020 20:01:08    2318719

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Another result you could never have predicted. This year just keeps getting weirder and weirder

Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 05/12/2020 20:01:36    2318721

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Cavan tried hard and never gave up but a few tiers below Dublin. In a year where Kerry, Donegal and Tyrone were gone early with no back door or Super 8, the championship has a very ominous feeling, more so than other years. If Mayo win tomorrow we can only hope for a decent final.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1141 - 05/12/2020 20:02:36    2318726

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And this is what we face year on year. At least the likes of Cavan and tipp etc can hope for a provincial title. Those of us in Leinster can't."
You serious, Meath would win in another province
, at the minute I'd rate Meath 2nd in Leinster, 4th in Munster, 3rd in Connacht and at best 5th in Ulster.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 431 - 05/12/2020 20:03:53    2318728

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Shorten the playing season.
Reduce the league to 3 divisions
Restore knockout championship
More time to club games.

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 311 - 05/12/2020 20:04:52    2318730

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Sad to see the patting of the head type comments on social media and on rte coverage towards a proud football county like Cavan. Is this how we want the game of football to go. I personally think the game is in big trouble now and it may be too late to save it. They need to get rid of the forward mark and bring in a rule that once the ball goes into the attacking 45 the attacking team can't kick it back out the field.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 05/12/2020 20:04:55    2318731

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And this is what we face year on year. At least the likes of Cavan and tipp etc can hope for a provincial title. Those of us in Leinster can't."
Really? A few weeks ago before the Leinster final you were fully sure Meath were going to beat Dublin ,whats changed ?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 895 - 05/12/2020 20:09:06    2318733

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "The question is how many in a row will it take for the GAA to admit it has created a problem. I've been saying the same for years in that I honestly don't see how they rescue or redress the situation. It's a shame as the Football Championship used to be something I looked forward to each year - now it is just boring as you are pretty sure of the outcome before it starts."
John Costello might wanna have a word in Dessie's ear: "Make sure the boys keep the score relatively tight in the final, otherwise HQ might realise there actually is a huge problem!".

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 05/12/2020 20:10:45    2318736

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Replying To donfisher:  "The GAA have created a massive problem for themselves that will bite them in the very near future when attendances plummet due to one professional team up against amateurs. And it's good enough for them."
So true. RIP gaa. I presume Mayo will win tomorrow. I think the result of Mayo/Dublin will have a huge effect of the game. If mayo some how with a hail mary prayer win this GAA Dublin money laundering will be forgotten for another few years. If they lose by a point or two it will be deemed "still competitive". Mayo getting hammered (sorry tipp) is the only outcome I see an uproar with many counties. If that happens a boycott is needed by all counties until the GAA do something, not expectable. Even the Dubs know that at this stage. Part of me for this reason hope mayo lose by about 28 but I would actually like them to win....but they won't :(

GameofTyronesIsBackhere (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 05/12/2020 20:12:56    2318738

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And this is what we face year on year. At least the likes of Cavan and tipp etc can hope for a provincial title. Those of us in Leinster can't."
In fairness Royal while ye in Leinster feel the wrath of the Dubs more than most no Leinster team are top 8. IMO there is the Dubs, then about 6 or 7 teams a good bit back based on an averaging of results over the last few yrs (Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Galway, Ros and one or two more). Meath next tier with a few more. While we all know that the GAA have an issue I don't think yourselves are up to the list I have suggested in terms of development, potential etc. Look I would love to go back to the good old days of Dublin Meath titanic clashes but we are light yrs from that. Apart from today and once by Ros in a super 8 game when Ros were out all other non Leinster teams have kept the Dubs to single digits in championship in recent yrs. Not that I would be blowing about this but it is too simplistic to for the narrative in recent weeks suggesting that Dublin would hammer their way through any other province. Yes they would win but the facts indicate tighter margins.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1890 - 05/12/2020 20:15:43    2318740

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "Great year for cavan well done. Beaten by the all Ireland champions is no shame at all. Hard to compete when clubs like kilmacud crokes have more funding than cavan senior team. But as all dubs will tell you funding doesn't help, home advantage doesn't help and the best one we will play anywhere ;-)"
Man for man Dublin way way the better talented players, I know it feels like having to swallow a lump of concrete everytime Dublin win, but Cavan where not good enough, Hard luck on them, they had a great year, if they beat the Dubs I would be cheering them on, I would love Tipp to win an All Ireland, even though I know Mayo deserve one. But at the end of the day the better teams win.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4772 - 05/12/2020 20:16:01    2318741

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Replying To jimski:  "If Dublin were playing in the Ulster Championship, that championship would be as dead as the Leinster Championship now is."
You can tell yourselves that if ye want but realistically Cavan are probably the 5th best team in Ulster. If the 5th best team in Ulster can put up a better fight than the 2nd best team in Leinster then what does that say?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 398 - 05/12/2020 20:17:25    2318742

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Before everyone goes nuts

Without properly analysing things

It's a very odd championship

A team relegated into Div 3 won Ulster in 2020

I'd say as stats go that's a juicy one

A shock result against a side highly fancied to challenge

So a freshly relegated Div 3 side were playing Dublin tonight

Is the result so shocking?

Imagine a lower tier Hurling side playing Kilkenny in their pomp a few years ago in an AI semi-final..

It was a marvellous achievement for Cavan to win Ulster and they were richly and rightly congratulated

But IMO Donegal would have offered up much more as they are much more experienced at this level and have the muscle memory and top end players

It's the same down in Munster

Kerry are far too good a team to lose against Cork who they themselves were operating out of Div 3 in 2020

It's a bizarre championship season

So really the Dubs won as they were expected

Dublin's main rivals didn't..

There's only really 3 or 4 teams capable of beating Dublin and Cavan isn't one of them

I still think if Mayo beat Tipp they have what it takes to really rise to the challenge

It's been a cake walk for Dublin beating teams they should be beating well

Again like Kilkenny a few years back.. ruthless when they were expected to be"
Stop talking sense there now

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4772 - 05/12/2020 20:18:01    2318744

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "The question is how many in a row will it take for the GAA to admit it has created a problem. I've been saying the same for years in that I honestly don't see how they rescue or redress the situation. It's a shame as the Football Championship used to be something I looked forward to each year - now it is just boring as you are pretty sure of the outcome before it starts."
So you were not around for the Kerry 8 All Irelands in 10 years ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 05/12/2020 20:21:27    2318745

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Really? A few weeks ago before the Leinster final you were fully sure Meath were going to beat Dublin ,whats changed ?"
He woke up and it was all a dream.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1766 - 05/12/2020 20:22:13    2318746

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Replying To sligo joe:  "You serious, Meath would win in another province
, at the minute I'd rate Meath 2nd in Leinster, 4th in Munster, 3rd in Connacht and at best 5th in Ulster."
If Cavan can win in Leinster so could Meath.

CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 05/12/2020 20:24:05    2318749

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Before everyone goes nuts

Without properly analysing things

It's a very odd championship

A team relegated into Div 3 won Ulster in 2020

I'd say as stats go that's a juicy one

A shock result against a side highly fancied to challenge

So a freshly relegated Div 3 side were playing Dublin tonight

Is the result so shocking?

Imagine a lower tier Hurling side playing Kilkenny in their pomp a few years ago in an AI semi-final..

It was a marvellous achievement for Cavan to win Ulster and they were richly and rightly congratulated

But IMO Donegal would have offered up much more as they are much more experienced at this level and have the muscle memory and top end players

It's the same down in Munster

Kerry are far too good a team to lose against Cork who they themselves were operating out of Div 3 in 2020

It's a bizarre championship season

So really the Dubs won as they were expected

Dublin's main rivals didn't..

There's only really 3 or 4 teams capable of beating Dublin and Cavan isn't one of them

I still think if Mayo beat Tipp they have what it takes to really rise to the challenge

It's been a cake walk for Dublin beating teams they should be beating well

Again like Kilkenny a few years back.. ruthless when they were expected to be"
Ah Jim c'mon. Yes, Kerry, Donegal and Tyrone would have given them a harder game but that's papering over the giant issue. It's six in a row for Christ sake. It's nothing to do with the unusual championship this year. If anything, this year is really showing the championship for what it is.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 05/12/2020 20:27:03    2318754

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