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Future Of Leinster Championship

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Replying To oneoff:  "But sure according to some of your fellow Dubs none of them even count.

Dublin have now won 15 of the last 16 Leinster titles. They've won 4, 5 and 6 in a row at different stages also. Wexford and Kildare are the only other county to win more 4 in a row both happening over 90years old with Kildare and over 100 with Wexford.

Seeing as you want to bring up stats"
You're correct sure aren't they always saying that we operate in a hurling province when they are trying to degrade our allirelands, they can't have it both ways but then again they are the dub$.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 25/11/2020 11:00:21    2315111

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The Leinster championship is a joke and a farce.............. Dublin are totally dominant and their money/resources have made it impossible for anyone else to compete. It is like putting Man City in the league one thing in England

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 25/11/2020 11:06:43    2315114

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Kerry won 27 titles in 32 years

Kerry have won 81 Munster titles

They won 8 in a row twice

That is total dominance"
Kerry have the population of blanchardstown,what is your point,the delusion of some dubs to whats happening is off the scale,oh the money doesn't kick the ball over the bar,we don't dominate hurling,our population wasn't a problem before the money was pumped in,other counties need to get the act together,parnell park is our home ground, moronic stuff,as a county football team dublin will be broke up 10 years maybe 5 at this rate down the line,with the structures now in place after all this investment its irreversible,there clearly is no way other counties could catch them, its impossible, how the gaa thought this was a good idea I'll never know,the whole integrity of competition is a farce,fans and players are walking away,the gaa have ony themselves to blame

Utdroyal (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 25/11/2020 11:08:01    2315115

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I agree with posters who say that there should be a lot more games for Dublin outside of Croke park. Imagine if Meath say played all their games in Navan. Or Kildare played all their Championship matches in Newbridge. It would help them I am sure.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2315 - 25/11/2020 11:09:44    2315118

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Replying To galwayford:  "I agree with posters who say that there should be a lot more games for Dublin outside of Croke park. Imagine if Meath say played all their games in Navan. Or Kildare played all their Championship matches in Newbridge. It would help them I am sure."
meath could play their games in sean boylens kitchen they are still not good enough tyo warm the dubs up

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2360 - 25/11/2020 11:42:05    2315132

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Replying To galwayford:  "I agree with posters who say that there should be a lot more games for Dublin outside of Croke park. Imagine if Meath say played all their games in Navan. Or Kildare played all their Championship matches in Newbridge. It would help them I am sure."
The irony is that it's these other same counties who keep voting for Dublin to play in Croke Park. The power to change this is in their very own hands. It's one of the most Irish complaints ever.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4497 - 25/11/2020 11:44:35    2315135

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You'd be surprised at the amount of players from other counties who live in walking distance of Drumcondra, I was at a BBQ precovid of a prominent county footballer (non Dub) who played in many All Ireland finals who had just moved in in Drumcondra.

Mad thing is they often aren't allowed to stay at home before a game, often stay the night in the hotel to be with the team.

Yet same player isn't playing at home. I'm also thinking of a few teams, who go on the raz once knocked out in Dublin because the majority of the players are living up here.

If Dublin are at home in Croker, many are very familiar with it and have set up camp in Dublin, it's like if I was living in Castlebar, would I feel unfamiliar with McHale probably not.

When you look at Leinster teams in particular a huge deal is made about playing away, the Newbridge or No where stuff. Personally I find it very hypocritical, Kildare were content to play all their games under Micko in Croker as were Meath during their successful years, the last time they got to a final All their games were played in Croker. I think that was unfair in the same vein that Dublin should play more games outside Croker, that's why I can't take the Leinster stuff seriously, Kildare and Meath did the same thing and have short memories.

The other piece that relates to Leinster, is for Kildare and Meath in particular, their are parts of Kildare and Meath that you would be Croker quicker then parts of Dublin, playing away - I don't really think so, both counties empty 9-5 Mon - Fri and fill Dublin.

But I agree with your point of view in general, the GAA want Dublin in Croke Park, it's a massive money spinner. I'd personally prefer more away games, I think the players would to. But premium seats, corporate boxes, hospitality, gate receipts are all sold with the Dublin market and this Dublin team on the ticket.

If our country cousins in Leinster are going to boycott, I'd encourage them to do it so we can have more away games, their funds might be cut annually, but I think everyone would like more Dublin games outside of Croker.

Not sure the Leinster counties & council or GAA for that mater have the bottle though."
You say "Dublin players would like to play outside Croke park" - for a few games maybe, but trust me you would far prefer to play close to home for family/work reasons.

Also please stop calling Croke Park "Croker", you aren't on the Kop or Old Trafford.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2015 - 25/11/2020 12:40:28    2315163

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Replying To Joxer:  "The irony is that it's these other same counties who keep voting for Dublin to play in Croke Park. The power to change this is in their very own hands. It's one of the most Irish complaints ever."
Well joxer money talks I'm afraid and the counties were promised more money to keep Dublin in Croker. In fairness I'll just pick Antrim as an example. They were told to vote for Dublin in Croker and this was the best way to get money to do up their stadium etc. Now what are they going to do? They chances that Antrim wil have to play Dubs in football are very slim anyway so they s be silly not to. The Gaa have alot to answer for. They have made the Croke Park thing bigger themselves by showing a bias towards Dublin. Since 2016 the gaa have made Dublin play an away match. Any away match they had them on neutral venues so of course other counties now feel hard done by and rightly so. The gaa admit they were wrong a few years ago with Laois making them play dubs in Kilkenny but if they had nt done that maybe the crroke Park thing might not be such an issue. In reality most counties don't mind Dublin playing in Croker for home games or semis finals etc but when a game is neutral both counties should have a say. I work and live in Dublin and most of my pals here agree on all this. But people keep blaming Dublin. It's the hierarchy of the gaa that's at fault.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3037 - 25/11/2020 12:48:11    2315167

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa should divide money fairly and they don't but the sponsorship counties get is their own business and their to do as they like with. Yes I think there's a kneejerk reaction after the leinster final and I don't agree one bit with the narrative surrounding it like it will put Meath back for years. As a matter of fact when you get a drubbing that the time to come back fighting. Meath beat Kerry by 15 points in 01 and folk said that's Kerry gone for years. Following year they lost all ireland final by one point. In 09 Kerry hammered Dublin's startled earwigs by 19 points. It was said Dublin were going nowhere but following year were unlucky to lose to Cork in semi by one point (Cork won Sam) and a year later dubs are all ireland Champs. To become a true champion you have to know what it's like to lose. I've seen many hiding and the losers came back quickly. There is no road without a turn."
That's the thing I have always be curious about.

Firstly why did Dublin get Government funds to improve GAA in the county. Should it not be up to themselves to sort their own house out. I've heard the argument that soccer and rugby would thieve but I think that's BS. Dublin should not have had that amount of money pumped in.

Also during Dublin's barren years, many times when they were defeated i.e Mayo semi, Tyrone a few times, Armagh 2002 - The Dubs were favourites for most of these games and beat by a point or two by an inspired Mayo or last minute free missed or a great Tyrone team. My point is Dublin weren't Wicklow then, struggling in div 3/4. They had players as good as Mayo/Tyrone. It was poor management, Lyons/Pillar and been unlucky. Not lack of talent. It was between the ears and ill disciple that let the Dubs down.

The money was not a true reflection on where Dublin were. They just needed a decent manager, which the got in Pat Gilroy, and the rest is history.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2015 - 25/11/2020 12:55:03    2315172

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You'd be surprised at the amount of players from other counties who live in walking distance of Drumcondra, I was at a BBQ precovid of a prominent county footballer (non Dub) who played in many All Ireland finals who had just moved in in Drumcondra.

Mad thing is they often aren't allowed to stay at home before a game, often stay the night in the hotel to be with the team.

Yet same player isn't playing at home. I'm also thinking of a few teams, who go on the raz once knocked out in Dublin because the majority of the players are living up here.

If Dublin are at home in Croker, many are very familiar with it and have set up camp in Dublin, it's like if I was living in Castlebar, would I feel unfamiliar with McHale probably not.

When you look at Leinster teams in particular a huge deal is made about playing away, the Newbridge or No where stuff. Personally I find it very hypocritical, Kildare were content to play all their games under Micko in Croker as were Meath during their successful years, the last time they got to a final All their games were played in Croker. I think that was unfair in the same vein that Dublin should play more games outside Croker, that's why I can't take the Leinster stuff seriously, Kildare and Meath did the same thing and have short memories.

The other piece that relates to Leinster, is for Kildare and Meath in particular, their are parts of Kildare and Meath that you would be Croker quicker then parts of Dublin, playing away - I don't really think so, both counties empty 9-5 Mon - Fri and fill Dublin.

But I agree with your point of view in general, the GAA want Dublin in Croke Park, it's a massive money spinner. I'd personally prefer more away games, I think the players would to. But premium seats, corporate boxes, hospitality, gate receipts are all sold with the Dublin market and this Dublin team on the ticket.

If our country cousins in Leinster are going to boycott, I'd encourage them to do it so we can have more away games, their funds might be cut annually, but I think everyone would like more Dublin games outside of Croker.

Not sure the Leinster counties & council or GAA for that mater have the bottle though."
We can argue the merits of many things but your point on non Dublin players living in Dublin meaning something significant in football terms is one of the daftest things I have ever read on here and that is saying something. 10-15 of the Mayo panel most years are usually based in Dublin year on year but what has that got to do with anything?

The provincial championships are not fit for purpose. I have long been in favour of a Champions League style format with teams travelling all over. Bring the leagues into play to ensure some.sort of seeding system year on year and then it will be a great spectacle. Dublin will not be beaten in Leinster for a long time yet. And while Tipp have had a great win I would put money on the Kerry winning 7 or 8 of the next 10 with Cork catching them once or twice. 2 out of 4 provinces are pretty much dead in my eyes. Connacht has 3 teams maybe at the minute. There are far too many teams who are not fit for purpose in the current system.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7297 - 25/11/2020 12:59:16    2315178

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Replying To oneoff:  "But sure according to some of your fellow Dubs none of them even count.

Dublin have now won 15 of the last 16 Leinster titles. They've won 4, 5 and 6 in a row at different stages also. Wexford and Kildare are the only other county to win more 4 in a row both happening over 90years old with Kildare and over 100 with Wexford.

Seeing as you want to bring up stats"
Stats were already brought up -:)

Games Developement funding 2007-18:
Dublin 18m - Rest of Leinster 10m

Dublin have won 10 Leinsters in a row, 16 of the last 20.

Dublins last 5 Leinster finas were won by 21 pts, 16pts, 18pts, 9pts, 15pts.

But Pharmstrong and Galwayford reckon this will even itself out, it's not a fair reflection on Leinster and we just have to believe in ourselves and work harder.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1126 - 24/11/2020 23:12:49 2315

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 25/11/2020 13:04:24    2315185

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "You say "Dublin players would like to play outside Croke park" - for a few games maybe, but trust me you would far prefer to play close to home for family/work reasons.

Also please stop calling Croke Park "Croker", you aren't on the Kop or Old Trafford."
Exactly and what dublin posters keep saying about oh yer teams didn't mind coming up to dublin in 90s and 00s and beaten us out the gate but they forget that that was before dublin started playing all their league games in Croke Park which really gave them a massive advantage.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 25/11/2020 13:15:24    2315195

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly and what dublin posters keep saying about oh yer teams didn't mind coming up to dublin in 90s and 00s and beaten us out the gate but they forget that that was before dublin started playing all their league games in Croke Park which really gave them a massive advantage."
Any sightings of fungi yet ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 25/11/2020 13:29:40    2315204

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "We can argue the merits of many things but your point on non Dublin players living in Dublin meaning something significant in football terms is one of the daftest things I have ever read on here and that is saying something. 10-15 of the Mayo panel most years are usually based in Dublin year on year but what has that got to do with anything?

The provincial championships are not fit for purpose. I have long been in favour of a Champions League style format with teams travelling all over. Bring the leagues into play to ensure some.sort of seeding system year on year and then it will be a great spectacle. Dublin will not be beaten in Leinster for a long time yet. And while Tipp have had a great win I would put money on the Kerry winning 7 or 8 of the next 10 with Cork catching them once or twice. 2 out of 4 provinces are pretty much dead in my eyes. Connacht has 3 teams maybe at the minute. There are far too many teams who are not fit for purpose in the current system."
And the rest.

I brought it up to highlight what you often hear on here about the advantage of Dublin players sleeping in their own bed and dont need to travel

Lets be honest the vast bulk of a lot of inter county squads require none of those things, in fact be interesting to know what percentage of intercounty squads are living in the home of the five in a row.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4273 - 25/11/2020 13:51:36    2315212

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "You say "Dublin players would like to play outside Croke park" - for a few games maybe, but trust me you would far prefer to play close to home for family/work reasons.

Also please stop calling Croke Park "Croker", you aren't on the Kop or Old Trafford."
Well obviously i cant speak for the players and their opinions on Croker, but i dont think they would bat an eye lid to be perfectly honest moving out of Croker.

And no.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4273 - 25/11/2020 13:55:07    2315215

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You're correct sure aren't they always saying that we operate in a hurling province when they are trying to degrade our allirelands, they can't have it both ways but then again they are the dub$."
But sure you are in a hurling county. Everyone knows that. You have 81 Munster titles. The poor Dubs only have 58 Leinsters. You once won an AI having played just 3 games, one of the many Kerry titles with a large asterisk beside it sadly. This has nothing to do with the Dub5. We've had to fight hard for our 5 in a row, dealing with a back door system, super 8s and have had to win 8/9 games in the championship in recent years to take the silverware, winning 3 times as many games as the Kerrymen had to win for one of their titles. The Dub5 are more sinned against than sinned for sure.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4497 - 25/11/2020 13:58:39    2315216

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly and what dublin posters keep saying about oh yer teams didn't mind coming up to dublin in 90s and 00s and beaten us out the gate but they forget that that was before dublin started playing all their league games in Croke Park which really gave them a massive advantage."
Are Kerry people not up in arms against a certain former Kerry GAA President who decided to grant Dublin all these millions? How can he walk down the street in Kerry? Destroying the GAA is some legacy for a Kerry man given all the great players they've given the game.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1193 - 25/11/2020 14:01:11    2315220

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Replying To Joxer:  "But sure you are in a hurling county. Everyone knows that. You have 81 Munster titles. The poor Dubs only have 58 Leinsters. You once won an AI having played just 3 games, one of the many Kerry titles with a large asterisk beside it sadly. This has nothing to do with the Dub5. We've had to fight hard for our 5 in a row, dealing with a back door system, super 8s and have had to win 8/9 games in the championship in recent years to take the silverware, winning 3 times as many games as the Kerrymen had to win for one of their titles. The Dub5 are more sinned against than sinned for sure."
I never knew Kerry won 81 Munster hurling titles. When did that happen?

Still bring up Kerry having won an All-Ireland by playing three games when Dublin have won one by playing only two games and another three by playing three ,they even won one by playing only one game. So what relevances do it have to anything?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 985 - 25/11/2020 15:42:59    2315273

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Replying To TheUsername:  "And the rest.

I brought it up to highlight what you often hear on here about the advantage of Dublin players sleeping in their own bed and dont need to travel

Lets be honest the vast bulk of a lot of inter county squads require none of those things, in fact be interesting to know what percentage of intercounty squads are living in the home of the five in a row."
Mayo players train in Mayo for Championship months . 6 hour round trip twice a week for the Dublin lads. Please if you want to debate the advantages or not that Dublin have please try and keep it sensible.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7297 - 25/11/2020 15:49:03    2315277

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Replying To Utdroyal:  "Kerry have the population of blanchardstown,what is your point,the delusion of some dubs to whats happening is off the scale,oh the money doesn't kick the ball over the bar,we don't dominate hurling,our population wasn't a problem before the money was pumped in,other counties need to get the act together,parnell park is our home ground, moronic stuff,as a county football team dublin will be broke up 10 years maybe 5 at this rate down the line,with the structures now in place after all this investment its irreversible,there clearly is no way other counties could catch them, its impossible, how the gaa thought this was a good idea I'll never know,the whole integrity of competition is a farce,fans and players are walking away,the gaa have ony themselves to blame"
Feeling better now ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 25/11/2020 15:49:16    2315278

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