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Crazy Decision Regarding Under 20 Football Final

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Replying To Marooning:  "Only one game left. Surely they could go ahead with the match and get the competition finished. Very unfair on Dublin and Galway."
Agree with you there. Play the final on Saturday as scheduled, and finish the competition. There is a lot of criticism in the media about playing the GAA championship, and completing the final round of league games.
I haven't heard anyone condemn the playing of rugby matches, or completing the remaining LOI games.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 154 - 21/10/2020 19:32:55    2300063

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Replying To tommy132:  "If kerry win then Galway vs Dublin is a dead rubber Sunday, maybe they could play the u20 players and that be the final.."
A good idea but are U20s allowed to play senior? I know they weren't fot the last few years..

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12151 - 21/10/2020 20:31:15    2300078

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Agree with you there. Play the final on Saturday as scheduled, and finish the competition. There is a lot of criticism in the media about playing the GAA championship, and completing the final round of league games.
I haven't heard anyone condemn the playing of rugby matches, or completing the remaining LOI games."
The only rugby matches that are allowed now are professional games where all players are tested on very regular basis. Players dont work other jobs. Not the same as the GAA.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1862 - 21/10/2020 22:11:53    2300096

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yeah whats the problem?
What isnt fair about it. The game cant be played. We may have to wait until next year to complete an u20 game when a significant number of players will actually be overage for the competition theyre playing in.
You dont and cant null and void the competition so sharing it is the best option."
Naaaah surely you can't suddenly become age-ineligible in the middle of the competition. I've never heard of someone playing on round 1 and then being too old for round 2. It's based on whether your birthday is before Jan 1 2000-and-something, isn't it?

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 574 - 21/10/2020 23:20:58    2300110

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Had a lot of respect for the GAA and the Government dealing with the virus but now losing confidence. They seem to be flying by the seat of their pants. Singling out a certain age group of a sport to shut down. The minors and under 20's were the last to know of this. How disrespectful. Two brother's one is 20 playing for his county and the other is 21playing senior for his county. One is shut down and the other is not ? It is obvious that the GAA did not read it properly or it was ambiguous to begin with and the under age players heard it first through the media. Shut the whole thing down or leave all the inter county players play. It takes a crisis really to show how useless politicians are but I guess we knew that already anyway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1078 - 22/10/2020 00:58:59    2300122

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What do you do as alternative?
You wont have games for next few weeks.
The next years squads should then be training/prepping for their games/competition.
Its perfectly fair. They both get the title. They wont have lost. You cant play the game so what else would you do?"
I'm not even going to try and have a debate with you KillingFields. A waste of time because you'll never admit you're wrong. Every poster here knows that you're a rugby man just trying to rise GAA fans.

Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 22/10/2020 01:21:55    2300123

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yeah whats the problem?
What isnt fair about it. The game cant be played. We may have to wait until next year to complete an u20 game when a significant number of players will actually be overage for the competition theyre playing in.
You dont and cant null and void the competition so sharing it is the best option."
They won't be overage and ut is silly to say otherwise. The competition started this year. I'm not sure why the game is being cancelled. Is it being cancelled because of the new restrictions or have The GAA unilaterally decided to cancel all underage competitions? If the game is being cancelled because of the new restrictions then you are correct when you say it cannot be played. It will be played when the restrictions are lifted and circumstances allow.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5192 - 22/10/2020 04:50:58    2300128

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The only rugby matches that are allowed now are professional games where all players are tested on very regular basis. Players dont work other jobs. Not the same as the GAA."
That's not true. The women's rugby team is not professional. They are amateur. They work outside rugby to earn a living. They are going to Paris of all places next week to play France in The Six Nations. Paris is in lockdown and there is a night time curfew. France has declared a state of emergency due to the fact that there are approximately 30,000 new cases of Covid every day. There are over 100 Covid deaths every day in France at the moment. The logistics of going to France involve travelling from Dublin, travelling to your accommodation, travelling to and from your team training base, travelling to and from the stadium, living In the team hotel and travelling back to Dublin. Yet The IRFU thinks it's acceptable to send an amateur panel, management team, back room team and officials to France !!! Sending any team to France including the men's team at the moment is highly questionable. Testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid. It doesn't prevent you from getting it.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5192 - 22/10/2020 10:06:38    2300145

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Naaaah surely you can't suddenly become age-ineligible in the middle of the competition. I've never heard of someone playing on round 1 and then being too old for round 2. It's based on whether your birthday is before Jan 1 2000-and-something, isn't it?"
January 1st is the relevant date for under age players.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 154 - 22/10/2020 11:19:47    2300165

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They won't be overage and ut is silly to say otherwise. The competition started this year. I'm not sure why the game is being cancelled. Is it being cancelled because of the new restrictions or have The GAA unilaterally decided to cancel all underage competitions? If the game is being cancelled because of the new restrictions then you are correct when you say it cannot be played. It will be played when the restrictions are lifted and circumstances allow.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 04:50:58
Its ridiculous to hold off this competition until 2021 when the next years competition will be on and you are playing an under 20 competition when the players who are under 20s will actually be under 21s....

That's not true. The women's rugby team is not professional. They are amateur. They work outside rugby to earn a living. They are going to Paris of all places next week to play France in The Six Nations. Paris is in lockdown and there is a night time curfew. France has declared a state of emergency due to the fact that there are approximately 30,000 new cases of Covid every day. There are over 100 Covid deaths every day in France at the moment. The logistics of going to France involve travelling from Dublin, travelling to your accommodation, travelling to and from your team training base, travelling to and from the stadium, living In the team hotel and travelling back to Dublin. Yet The IRFU thinks it's acceptable to send an amateur panel, management team, back room team and officials to France !!! Sending any team to France including the men's team at the moment is highly questionable. Testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid. It doesn't prevent you from getting it.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 10:06:38
Womens team can be in a bubble and their is quite a few who're involved in 7s and are pros....
Logistics can be done with the full pro set up the rugby union have
Are you claiming you know more than all involved in irish union, the government who will have been consulted? Testing on regular basis and following basic procedures that all have been doing in recent months - social distancing, limiting contact etc helps reduce chances of getting covid....

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1862 - 22/10/2020 14:27:17    2300236

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They won't be overage and ut is silly to say otherwise. The competition started this year. I'm not sure why the game is being cancelled. Is it being cancelled because of the new restrictions or have The GAA unilaterally decided to cancel all underage competitions? If the game is being cancelled because of the new restrictions then you are correct when you say it cannot be played. It will be played when the restrictions are lifted and circumstances allow.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 04:50:58
Its ridiculous to hold off this competition until 2021 when the next years competition will be on and you are playing an under 20 competition when the players who are under 20s will actually be under 21s....

That's not true. The women's rugby team is not professional. They are amateur. They work outside rugby to earn a living. They are going to Paris of all places next week to play France in The Six Nations. Paris is in lockdown and there is a night time curfew. France has declared a state of emergency due to the fact that there are approximately 30,000 new cases of Covid every day. There are over 100 Covid deaths every day in France at the moment. The logistics of going to France involve travelling from Dublin, travelling to your accommodation, travelling to and from your team training base, travelling to and from the stadium, living In the team hotel and travelling back to Dublin. Yet The IRFU thinks it's acceptable to send an amateur panel, management team, back room team and officials to France !!! Sending any team to France including the men's team at the moment is highly questionable. Testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid. It doesn't prevent you from getting it.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 10:06:38
Womens team can be in a bubble and their is quite a few who're involved in 7s and are pros....
Logistics can be done with the full pro set up the rugby union have
Are you claiming you know more than all involved in irish union, the government who will have been consulted? Testing on regular basis and following basic procedures that all have been doing in recent months - social distancing, limiting contact etc helps reduce chances of getting covid...."
Firstly according to irishrugby.ie 6 of the women's sevens squad are named on the women's rugby panel which has 38 players named on it . That means that only 16% of the women's rugby panel are professional. That means 84% or 32 of the panel are amateur. Add your management team, backroom team and IRFU officials and that's a large party of people travelling to a city in lockdown that is the capital of a country that has declared a state of emergency. Secondly Munster for all the expertise of Munster Rugby and The IRFU have already had two outbreaks of Covid in their ranks. You can have all the expertise you want but this is a particularly efficient and contagious microbe we are dealing with. Sending two large parties of people to Paris is taking a risk. Thirdly, The IRFU like all sporting organisations has taken a very hard hit financially. Notwithstanding the fact that they are supposed to have significant cash reserves I would assume the tv money does not get paid if the games are not played. Finally as I said to you earlier testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid . It doesn't protect you from getting it. There has been no debate about this trip involving an overwhelmingly amateur panel of players travelling to a city in lockdown that is the capital of a country that has declared a state of emergency. That is a damning indictment of Irish rugby journalists in particular and Irish sports journalists in general.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5192 - 22/10/2020 16:04:45    2300267

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They won't be overage and ut is silly to say otherwise. The competition started this year. I'm not sure why the game is being cancelled. Is it being cancelled because of the new restrictions or have The GAA unilaterally decided to cancel all underage competitions? If the game is being cancelled because of the new restrictions then you are correct when you say it cannot be played. It will be played when the restrictions are lifted and circumstances allow.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 04:50:58
Its ridiculous to hold off this competition until 2021 when the next years competition will be on and you are playing an under 20 competition when the players who are under 20s will actually be under 21s....

That's not true. The women's rugby team is not professional. They are amateur. They work outside rugby to earn a living. They are going to Paris of all places next week to play France in The Six Nations. Paris is in lockdown and there is a night time curfew. France has declared a state of emergency due to the fact that there are approximately 30,000 new cases of Covid every day. There are over 100 Covid deaths every day in France at the moment. The logistics of going to France involve travelling from Dublin, travelling to your accommodation, travelling to and from your team training base, travelling to and from the stadium, living In the team hotel and travelling back to Dublin. Yet The IRFU thinks it's acceptable to send an amateur panel, management team, back room team and officials to France !!! Sending any team to France including the men's team at the moment is highly questionable. Testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid. It doesn't prevent you from getting it.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 10:06:38
Womens team can be in a bubble and their is quite a few who're involved in 7s and are pros....
Logistics can be done with the full pro set up the rugby union have
Are you claiming you know more than all involved in irish union, the government who will have been consulted? Testing on regular basis and following basic procedures that all have been doing in recent months - social distancing, limiting contact etc helps reduce chances of getting covid...."
Not much social distancing in the middle of a scrum…

Perhaps in the true Corinthian spirt of rugby, the championship should be shared across all 6 nations with the trophy smelted and distributed in equal parts. Seem very fair to me.

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 187 - 22/10/2020 16:43:21    2300286

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They won't be overage and ut is silly to say otherwise. The competition started this year. I'm not sure why the game is being cancelled. Is it being cancelled because of the new restrictions or have The GAA unilaterally decided to cancel all underage competitions? If the game is being cancelled because of the new restrictions then you are correct when you say it cannot be played. It will be played when the restrictions are lifted and circumstances allow.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 04:50:58
Its ridiculous to hold off this competition until 2021 when the next years competition will be on and you are playing an under 20 competition when the players who are under 20s will actually be under 21s....

That's not true. The women's rugby team is not professional. They are amateur. They work outside rugby to earn a living. They are going to Paris of all places next week to play France in The Six Nations. Paris is in lockdown and there is a night time curfew. France has declared a state of emergency due to the fact that there are approximately 30,000 new cases of Covid every day. There are over 100 Covid deaths every day in France at the moment. The logistics of going to France involve travelling from Dublin, travelling to your accommodation, travelling to and from your team training base, travelling to and from the stadium, living In the team hotel and travelling back to Dublin. Yet The IRFU thinks it's acceptable to send an amateur panel, management team, back room team and officials to France !!! Sending any team to France including the men's team at the moment is highly questionable. Testing only tells you whether or not you have Covid. It doesn't prevent you from getting it.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5116 - 22/10/2020 10:06:38
Womens team can be in a bubble and their is quite a few who're involved in 7s and are pros....
Logistics can be done with the full pro set up the rugby union have
Are you claiming you know more than all involved in irish union, the government who will have been consulted? Testing on regular basis and following basic procedures that all have been doing in recent months - social distancing, limiting contact etc helps reduce chances of getting covid...."
It's not ridiculous at all to play the final next year. It's one match which is remaining and it's the conclusion of the 2020 U20 championship, for which the players are all underage. The 2021 U20 championship is a different competition.
There numerous sports where this occurs, soccer being one. The European U21 championship, will often feature players as old as 23, who were underage when qualifying started.
We also have plenty precedent in the GAA of some competitions being completed in the subsequent year, due to delays. This has happened in Galway with both adult and underage club competitions in recent years.
I'm afraid none of your arguments on this hold up.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 923 - 22/10/2020 16:51:25    2300289

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It's not ridiculous at all to play the final next year. It's one match which is remaining and it's the conclusion of the 2020 U20 championship, for which the players are all underage. The 2021 U20 championship is a different competition.
There numerous sports where this occurs, soccer being one. The European U21 championship, will often feature players as old as 23, who were underage when qualifying started.
We also have plenty precedent in the GAA of some competitions being completed in the subsequent year, due to delays. This has happened in Galway with both adult and underage club competitions in recent years.
I'm afraid none of your arguments on this hold up.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 813 - 22/10/2020 16:51:25
They can share the title now. Its ridiculous to hold off to play the final when the players will have progressed to other levels and be busy playing all manners of other competitions be it club, inter county and third level.
Yes there is plenty of precedent for competitions being played well after the year that they were scheduled to be played but many of them were ridiculous and its a worldwide pandemic. we shouldnt have to play the game.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1862 - 22/10/2020 17:19:09    2300302

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Can anyone tell me the difference between a 19or20yr old who playing in the u20 final
And a 21 or 22 yr old playing senior or the many 19 or 20yr ols who will be playing senior
I cant see the medical or scientific reasons why they canceled the u20 and minor
Fair enough if they had cancelled all gaa activity id understand

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1248 - 22/10/2020 17:49:08    2300310

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Replying To rhudson:  "Can anyone tell me the difference between a 19or20yr old who playing in the u20 final
And a 21 or 22 yr old playing senior or the many 19 or 20yr ols who will be playing senior
I cant see the medical or scientific reasons why they canceled the u20 and minor
Fair enough if they had cancelled all gaa activity id understand"
Pulling the plug on the last TG4 match is a different kettle of fish to cancelling the sky deal set for the Championship. Whatever way they want to dress it up it will always boil down to money.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2067 - 22/10/2020 18:16:49    2300322

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Pulling the plug on the last TG4 match is a different kettle of fish to cancelling the sky deal set for the Championship. Whatever way they want to dress it up it will always boil down to money."
Tell me any sporting organisation to whom money is not important. The cash rich Premiership clubs are currently charging their supporters €16 a game to watch some of their games on pay per view. The IRFU are sending two teams to Paris of all places If their games aren't played then they don't get paid. The GAA put the vast bulk of the money the games generate back in to the games development grants, coaching, schools, summer camps and infrastructure.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5192 - 22/10/2020 19:09:07    2300333

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Tell me any sporting organisation to whom money is not important. The cash rich Premiership clubs are currently charging their supporters €16 a game to watch some of their games on pay per view. The IRFU are sending two teams to Paris of all places If their games aren't played then they don't get paid. The GAA put the vast bulk of the money the games generate back in to the games development grants, coaching, schools, summer camps and infrastructure."
IRFU puts huge percentage and vast bulk of its money into development like GAA...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1862 - 22/10/2020 19:57:52    2300342

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Can U-20 line out for Seniors this year?

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1406 - 22/10/2020 20:53:36    2300361

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Replying To KillingFields:  "IRFU puts huge percentage and vast bulk of its money into development like GAA..."
And they do it very well KillingFieldsThey are developing a lot of serious talent.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5192 - 22/10/2020 21:00:09    2300364

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