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Replying To Rolo2010:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Where to start.

"Of course the Welsh are more patient. Sure what else do these sheep lovers have?"

Real class.

"The Six Nations is a boring contest."

Yeah, maybe to you. But not to the 8.3 million TV viewers (on average) who watch each game."
Oh look. A man from the UK here to lecture us on why the Six Nations is a great contest. We already knew rugby lads were boring folk. That's why they spend their time watching a safe contest like the Six Nations."
"A man from the UK here to lecture us on why the Six Nations is a great contest"

I'm not from the UK, I'm Irish, and like hundreds of thousands of others, I live abroad. What's your problem? Are you suggesting no one living outside the 26 counties has a right to express their opinions on here?

I never said "the Six Nations is a great contest" they are your words. I stated a fact regarding the TV viewing numbers.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1141 - 10/11/2020 14:49:07    2307227

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "More lies Galwayford. He said some GAA people on social media are anti rugby, that many of them think a rugby people come from a wealthy background. But you represent it that Off the Ball said the GAA are anti Rugby, which they or Quinlan didn't say. And here you are whinging even though you agree with his view. In fairness you're good at whinging and misrepresenting facts. Like a talentless clickbaiter.

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You are the one lying. OfftheBall themselves implied that the GAA are anti-rugby with their own title. Rugby is an elitist sport and a few working class kids making it through to the top doesn't change that."
You havent a notion about the sport of rugby if you think its elitist. And what do you see as working class anyway? Which rugby players are deemed working class in your eyes?

Who are all the working class players currently playing GAA at top level as most in my county certainly wouldnt be classed as working class"]Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds.

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 436 - 10/11/2020 14:55:11    2307231

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Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds.
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 418 - 10/11/2020 14:55:11
Have you seen rugby in France especially the heartlands in the South of France. Certainly isnt elitist there.
Or Wales. Have you ever been to South Wales and LLanelli, Neath, Bridgend etc any time recently?

In Scotland all the heartlands of the game around the borders. The game is far from elitist.
Same in England around Leicester, Bristol/West Country, Exeter/Plymouth.

Its not really a small minority who didnt attend non fee paying schools and are you taking into account those who attended these schools only via scholarship?
There is zero obstacles to reaching the highest level of the game in rugby.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 10/11/2020 15:37:27    2307246

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds.
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 418 - 10/11/2020 14:55:11
Have you seen rugby in France especially the heartlands in the South of France. Certainly isnt elitist there.
Or Wales. Have you ever been to South Wales and LLanelli, Neath, Bridgend etc any time recently?

In Scotland all the heartlands of the game around the borders. The game is far from elitist.
Same in England around Leicester, Bristol/West Country, Exeter/Plymouth.

Its not really a small minority who didnt attend non fee paying schools and are you taking into account those who attended these schools only via scholarship?
There is zero obstacles to reaching the highest level of the game in rugby."
Rugby is still very much an elitist sport dominated by public schools. Even the British know that. Football is bigger in Bristol, Leicester. The Scottish Borders are full of posh Tory towns.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 10/11/2020 15:41:15    2307247

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Replying To McFan88:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "[quote=Rolo2010:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "More lies Galwayford. He said some GAA people on social media are anti rugby, that many of them think a rugby people come from a wealthy background. But you represent it that Off the Ball said the GAA are anti Rugby, which they or Quinlan didn't say. And here you are whinging even though you agree with his view. In fairness you're good at whinging and misrepresenting facts. Like a talentless clickbaiter.

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You are the one lying. OfftheBall themselves implied that the GAA are anti-rugby with their own title. Rugby is an elitist sport and a few working class kids making it through to the top doesn't change that."
You havent a notion about the sport of rugby if you think its elitist. And what do you see as working class anyway? Which rugby players are deemed working class in your eyes?

Who are all the working class players currently playing GAA at top level as most in my county certainly wouldnt be classed as working class"]Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds."]Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 10/11/2020 15:42:23    2307248

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "
Replying To McFan88:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "[quote=Rolo2010:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "More lies Galwayford. He said some GAA people on social media are anti rugby, that many of them think a rugby people come from a wealthy background. But you represent it that Off the Ball said the GAA are anti Rugby, which they or Quinlan didn't say. And here you are whinging even though you agree with his view. In fairness you're good at whinging and misrepresenting facts. Like a talentless clickbaiter.

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You are the one lying. OfftheBall themselves implied that the GAA are anti-rugby with their own title. Rugby is an elitist sport and a few working class kids making it through to the top doesn't change that."
You havent a notion about the sport of rugby if you think its elitist. And what do you see as working class anyway? Which rugby players are deemed working class in your eyes?

Who are all the working class players currently playing GAA at top level as most in my county certainly wouldnt be classed as working class"]Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds."]Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum."]Think you need to read my post again - I specifically say that rugby is elitist in almost every country is played in

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 436 - 10/11/2020 16:11:34    2307263

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Rugby is elitist in almost every country its played in except NZ and the Pacific Islands - ignoring that because we like watching international matches is bonkers. A small minority of the current Irish squad attended non fee paying schools, that's a fact and can be easily looked up. The same can be said for all of the "home" nations. Same absolutely applies to SA and Australia. I'm not as sure on France or Argentina.

Regarding working class players in the GAA its fairly obvious there's no obstacle to reaching the highest level of the games - without naming names it's clear that many players from working and middle class backgrounds regularly make it at county level. Most in the Limerick hurling would be classed as middle class if we had a caste system! Unquestionably a few from working class backgrounds and almost none from "upper" class or elite backgrounds.
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 418 - 10/11/2020 14:55:11
Have you seen rugby in France especially the heartlands in the South of France. Certainly isnt elitist there.
Or Wales. Have you ever been to South Wales and LLanelli, Neath, Bridgend etc any time recently?

In Scotland all the heartlands of the game around the borders. The game is far from elitist.
Same in England around Leicester, Bristol/West Country, Exeter/Plymouth.

Its not really a small minority who didnt attend non fee paying schools and are you taking into account those who attended these schools only via scholarship?
There is zero obstacles to reaching the highest level of the game in rugby."
Killingfields granted rugby is trying to make inroads and move into new areas. However facts can't be denied; there is little or any rugby within inner Glasgow, Dundee; yes the Border areas is the stronghold of rugby in Scotland; this is also the area where most Tory MP's tend to be voted in. We know Tories tend to be voted in areas where there's a large portion of private schools and middle class voters; it's no coincidence the stronghold of Scottish rugby is within Tory backed areas in Scotland.

England is much the same but even more obvious; due to the size of the cities yes there is significant rugby numbers in the likes of Leicester, Exeter and parts of London. Within London the stronghold is Richmond, Twickenham and Barnet; very affluent areas of the capital. Leicester is still a football city; rugby has a foot hold there and this is probably the biggest rugby playing city in England; yet is still miles behind soccer in their own city. Soccer scouts study local amateur playing parks and identify talent from across classes; rugby clubs in England very much concentrate on private schools.

Rugby league is more working class and there is a clear link between rugby union players from working class areas coming through the league pathway first; that seems to be the only clear path for working class players in England to make it in union.

Wales is probably the only true rugby nation with NZ; it is a national sport in those two countries which isn't the same anywhere else. Yet even in Wales the true working class areas of South Cardiff and Swansea is soccer country which again shows the problem of class; rugby league is also very popular in Wales and a high percentage of Welsh internationals come from private schools which was well documentated by a famous Welsh legend in a recent documentary.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 740 - 10/11/2020 16:14:53    2307264

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Think you need to read my post again - I specifically say that rugby is elitist in almost every country is played in
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2020 16:11:34
what exactly makes rugby elitist in all these countries?

Rugby is still very much an elitist sport dominated by public schools. Even the British know that. Football is bigger in Bristol, Leicester. The Scottish Borders are full of posh Tory towns.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:41:15
Scottish borders are not at all full of posh tory towns. And rugby isnt at all posh down that area of scotland. Parts around edinburgh are but down the heartlands around galashiels, hawick, melrose etc the sport is far from posh.

Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:42:23
Whataboutery. Just debate the actual posts made not this nonsese

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 10/11/2020 16:24:19    2307266

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Think you need to read my post again - I specifically say that rugby is elitist in almost every country is played in
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2020 16:11:34
what exactly makes rugby elitist in all these countries?

Rugby is still very much an elitist sport dominated by public schools. Even the British know that. Football is bigger in Bristol, Leicester. The Scottish Borders are full of posh Tory towns.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:41:15
Scottish borders are not at all full of posh tory towns. And rugby isnt at all posh down that area of scotland. Parts around edinburgh are but down the heartlands around galashiels, hawick, melrose etc the sport is far from posh.

Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:42:23
Whataboutery. Just debate the actual posts made not this nonsese"
At what point are you going to realise that I'm trolling you. This is the problem with rugby fans. You're so easy to wind up.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 10/11/2020 16:46:30    2307273

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Hard to take a poster from Donegal seriously when he's telling us we are all elitist rugby players.. He doesn't have a clue about rugby. The last rugby player to come out of Donegal was Gallagher and that was about 130 years ago. Theres no barrier to getting to the top in rugby in Ireland. If your a quality player in any junior club you ll be spotted and helped. This working class garbage is a misnomer. Why do we consider the working class paradigms of virtue. The heart of Ireland is the middle class. The guff about the working class this and working class that..If wed no working class we'd all have more money in our pocket

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1361 - 10/11/2020 16:50:56    2307275

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "Think you need to read my post again - I specifically say that rugby is elitist in almost every country is played in
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2020 16:11:34
what exactly makes rugby elitist in all these countries?

Rugby is still very much an elitist sport dominated by public schools. Even the British know that. Football is bigger in Bristol, Leicester. The Scottish Borders are full of posh Tory towns.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:41:15
Scottish borders are not at all full of posh tory towns. And rugby isnt at all posh down that area of scotland. Parts around edinburgh are but down the heartlands around galashiels, hawick, melrose etc the sport is far from posh.

Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:42:23
Whataboutery. Just debate the actual posts made not this nonsese"
At what point are you going to realise that I'm trolling you. This is the problem with rugby fans. You're so easy to wind up."
Here you go again, making assumptions about people. I'm not a rugby fan.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1141 - 10/11/2020 17:00:02    2307279

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To Rolo2010:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Think you need to read my post again - I specifically say that rugby is elitist in almost every country is played in
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2020 16:11:34
what exactly makes rugby elitist in all these countries?

Rugby is still very much an elitist sport dominated by public schools. Even the British know that. Football is bigger in Bristol, Leicester. The Scottish Borders are full of posh Tory towns.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:41:15
Scottish borders are not at all full of posh tory towns. And rugby isnt at all posh down that area of scotland. Parts around edinburgh are but down the heartlands around galashiels, hawick, melrose etc the sport is far from posh.

Oh look it's another Limerick man defending rugby. You boys are on the wrong forum.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 118 - 10/11/2020 15:42:23
Whataboutery. Just debate the actual posts made not this nonsese"
At what point are you going to realise that I'm trolling you. This is the problem with rugby fans. You're so easy to wind up."
Here you go again, making assumptions about people. I'm not a rugby fan."]Again, I'm trolling you. You should just give up. Most of the users on this site have no interest in a debate about rugby between the few rugby fans on here. Take it to the other sports thread or to a rugby forum.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 10/11/2020 17:19:57    2307286

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hard to take a poster from Donegal seriously when he's telling us we are all elitist rugby players.. He doesn't have a clue about rugby. The last rugby player to come out of Donegal was Gallagher and that was about 130 years ago. Theres no barrier to getting to the top in rugby in Ireland. If your a quality player in any junior club you ll be spotted and helped. This working class garbage is a misnomer. Why do we consider the working class paradigms of virtue. The heart of Ireland is the middle class. The guff about the working class this and working class that..If wed no working class we'd all have more money in our pocket"
You shouldn't be taking me seriously. I was obviously trolling and you took the bait. Again, rugby fans are easy to wind up.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 10/11/2020 17:22:08    2307287

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hard to take a poster from Donegal seriously when he's telling us we are all elitist rugby players.. He doesn't have a clue about rugby. The last rugby player to come out of Donegal was Gallagher and that was about 130 years ago. Theres no barrier to getting to the top in rugby in Ireland. If your a quality player in any junior club you ll be spotted and helped. This working class garbage is a misnomer. Why do we consider the working class paradigms of virtue. The heart of Ireland is the middle class. The guff about the working class this and working class that..If wed no working class we'd all have more money in our pocket"
There is several players currently involved with Ulster or very recently involved with Ulster who are from Donegal.
Joe Dunleavy, Conor McMenimin....
But yeah no barriers in rugby

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 10/11/2020 17:49:47    2307297

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To be balanced the media have had quite a lot to say this week regarding the team selected for Ireland to play at Twickenham tomorrow! What is people's view on the IRFU scouting system?

Whilst I wouldn't have a problem with an organisation scouting and making business decisions it made me think if the same principe could be used in the GAA.

It's likely some of the major counties could play a "B" team that would likely compete between Div 2/3. Would there be room for some smaller counties for example in Munster scouting players in Kerry good enough to play inter county but not good enough for Kerry; the same in Leinster with Dublin etc? Would the inter county scene improve in standard as a result if quality players could be scouted from big neighbouring counties in the same way quality is scouted from New Zealand, South Africa etc in rugby?

Personally if there was a qouta of scouted players allowed it could close the massive gap developing in our games by improving the standard however balancing my viewpoint there might be a concern bigger counties would scout the one or two star players a weaker county.

Any opinions?

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 740 - 20/11/2020 10:47:52    2311644

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Replying To sam1884:  "To be balanced the media have had quite a lot to say this week regarding the team selected for Ireland to play at Twickenham tomorrow! What is people's view on the IRFU scouting system?

Whilst I wouldn't have a problem with an organisation scouting and making business decisions it made me think if the same principe could be used in the GAA.

It's likely some of the major counties could play a "B" team that would likely compete between Div 2/3. Would there be room for some smaller counties for example in Munster scouting players in Kerry good enough to play inter county but not good enough for Kerry; the same in Leinster with Dublin etc? Would the inter county scene improve in standard as a result if quality players could be scouted from big neighbouring counties in the same way quality is scouted from New Zealand, South Africa etc in rugby?

Personally if there was a qouta of scouted players allowed it could close the massive gap developing in our games by improving the standard however balancing my viewpoint there might be a concern bigger counties would scout the one or two star players a weaker county.

Any opinions?"
It's farcical and they are rightfully a laughing stock in the rugby "world". Eddie Jones spot on. 1/3 of the team bought in - a joke. It's no different to the likes of Qatar and Turkey and such countries beefing up their athletics teams with Kenyans and Ethiopians in order to compete.

I'd be raging if I was an Irish professional rugby player looking at these lads coming in.

They should change their strip to black and white and call themselves the Barbarians.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 983 - 20/11/2020 11:14:23    2311651

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hard to take a poster from Donegal seriously when he's telling us we are all elitist rugby players.. He doesn't have a clue about rugby. The last rugby player to come out of Donegal was Gallagher and that was about 130 years ago. Theres no barrier to getting to the top in rugby in Ireland. If your a quality player in any junior club you ll be spotted and helped. This working class garbage is a misnomer. Why do we consider the working class paradigms of virtue. The heart of Ireland is the middle class. The guff about the working class this and working class that..If wed no working class we'd all have more money in our pocket"
If there was no working class you would have no one to exploit and do the jobs you stick up snobs won't do for low pay.

Theres plenty of elitism in rugby and as a Thomond rugby man I can tell you there is plenty of it in Limerick. I hear awful disgusting stuff from Limerick rugby fans particularly the Garryowen and Crescent fans.

No elitism but yet you think all working class people are on the dole

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1113 - 20/11/2020 12:16:30    2311670

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Replying To sam1884:  "To be balanced the media have had quite a lot to say this week regarding the team selected for Ireland to play at Twickenham tomorrow! What is people's view on the IRFU scouting system?

Whilst I wouldn't have a problem with an organisation scouting and making business decisions it made me think if the same principe could be used in the GAA.

It's likely some of the major counties could play a "B" team that would likely compete between Div 2/3. Would there be room for some smaller counties for example in Munster scouting players in Kerry good enough to play inter county but not good enough for Kerry; the same in Leinster with Dublin etc? Would the inter county scene improve in standard as a result if quality players could be scouted from big neighbouring counties in the same way quality is scouted from New Zealand, South Africa etc in rugby?

Personally if there was a qouta of scouted players allowed it could close the massive gap developing in our games by improving the standard however balancing my viewpoint there might be a concern bigger counties would scout the one or two star players a weaker county.

Any opinions?"
Worth looking at Sam though I think the Tiered system will widen the standards gap between stronger and weaker counties and some of the stronger counties could get jobs for players from weaker counties. Maybe if they get one player from a weaker county they need to loan two to the weaker county and pay their expenses? Sounds a bit like Chelsea! That's still unfair on the native players from the weaker counties on the fringes of the squad. Or counties colleges like Sligo, Carlow, Dundalk, Limerick for football taking good prospects from outside the county into their county squad for a couple of years. The so-called weaker counties have to show they want to improve standards, maybe they don't. It seems it's heavily weighted in favour of stronger counties if they're in Tier One. Might be a few prospects then for the IRFU in tier two counties. Students playing a good standard of football in college going down in standard for the county playing counties of a similar poor standard. Unhappy prospective elite athletes with the AFL, rugby and soccer teams knocking on their door offering play for play. Why wouldn't they be tempted?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5997 - 20/11/2020 12:45:02    2311675

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To be balanced the media have had quite a lot to say this week regarding the team selected for Ireland to play at Twickenham tomorrow! What is people's view on the IRFU scouting system?

Whilst I wouldn't have a problem with an organisation scouting and making business decisions it made me think if the same principe could be used in the GAA.

It's likely some of the major counties could play a "B" team that would likely compete between Div 2/3. Would there be room for some smaller counties for example in Munster scouting players in Kerry good enough to play inter county but not good enough for Kerry; the same in Leinster with Dublin etc? Would the inter county scene improve in standard as a result if quality players could be scouted from big neighbouring counties in the same way quality is scouted from New Zealand, South Africa etc in rugby?

Personally if there was a qouta of scouted players allowed it could close the massive gap developing in our games by improving the standard however balancing my viewpoint there might be a concern bigger counties would scout the one or two star players a weaker county.

Any opinions?

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 688 - 20/11/2020 10:47:52
I dont think a lot of people care any more about the rugby issue. When GAA is amateur not going to happen unless people move for work reasons theyre not going to play different county.

It's farcical and they are rightfully a laughing stock in the rugby "world". Eddie Jones spot on. 1/3 of the team bought in - a joke. It's no different to the likes of Qatar and Turkey and such countries beefing up their athletics teams with Kenyans and Ethiopians in order to compete.

I'd be raging if I was an Irish professional rugby player looking at these lads coming in.

They should change their strip to black and white and call themselves the Barbarians.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 846 - 20/11/2020 11:14:23
Its not farcical and theyre far from a laughing stock. Eddie Jones is well known for winding up people all through the weeks before a game. its completely different to Qatar, Turkey.

If there was no working class you would have no one to exploit and do the jobs you stick up snobs won't do for low pay.

Theres plenty of elitism in rugby and as a Thomond rugby man I can tell you there is plenty of it in Limerick. I hear awful disgusting stuff from Limerick rugby fans particularly the Garryowen and Crescent fans.

No elitism but yet you think all working class people are on the dole
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1100 - 20/11/2020 12:16:30
Ive family who've played rugby for Thomond, and there isnt that much ***** going on.

Worth looking at Sam though I think the Tiered system will widen the standards gap between stronger and weaker counties and some of the stronger counties could get jobs for players from weaker counties. Maybe if they get one player from a weaker county they need to loan two to the weaker county and pay their expenses? Sounds a bit like Chelsea! That's still unfair on the native players from the weaker counties on the fringes of the squad. Or counties colleges like Sligo, Carlow, Dundalk, Limerick for football taking good prospects from outside the county into their county squad for a couple of years. The so-called weaker counties have to show they want to improve standards, maybe they don't. It seems it's heavily weighted in favour of stronger counties if they're in Tier One. Might be a few prospects then for the IRFU in tier two counties. Students playing a good standard of football in college going down in standard for the county playing counties of a similar poor standard. Unhappy prospective elite athletes with the AFL, rugby and soccer teams knocking on their door offering play for play. Why wouldn't they be tempted?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5943 - 20/11/2020 12:45:02
A tiered system is better than the current set up which has helped the smaller counties so much so so much.
Cavan and Wexford joint 6th in all ireland titles and both havent won a title since just after 2nd and 1st world wars...
And several of the counties that have actually won all irelands will likely never win one again like Louth, Limerick, Offaly

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 20/11/2020 13:14:06    2311683

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Worth looking at Sam though I think the Tiered system will widen the standards gap between stronger and weaker counties and some of the stronger counties could get jobs for players from weaker counties. Maybe if they get one player from a weaker county they need to loan two to the weaker county and pay their expenses? Sounds a bit like Chelsea! That's still unfair on the native players from the weaker counties on the fringes of the squad. Or counties colleges like Sligo, Carlow, Dundalk, Limerick for football taking good prospects from outside the county into their county squad for a couple of years. The so-called weaker counties have to show they want to improve standards, maybe they don't. It seems it's heavily weighted in favour of stronger counties if they're in Tier One. Might be a few prospects then for the IRFU in tier two counties. Students playing a good standard of football in college going down in standard for the county playing counties of a similar poor standard. Unhappy prospective elite athletes with the AFL, rugby and soccer teams knocking on their door offering play for play. Why wouldn't they be tempted?"
Tier 2 won't fix anything. We already have a tiered competition and the gap has still widened. It's just an admission by the GAA that they don't want to tackle the actual problems. Dublin have hammered Div 1 and 2 sides in recent years. Laois would still be in Tier 2 and they lost by 22 points.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 20/11/2020 14:13:10    2311701

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