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Completely forgot about Connacht in my other post. Wasn't intentional; I dont think there's a lot between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon at the minute, and I see a lot of people backing Galway for the year thats in it. Im going with Mayo, purely because this Mayo panel are perennials, and are used to hanging around for the big All-Ireland matches.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 10/10/2020 16:18:53    2296698

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Replying To MesAmis:  "They're really not.

They're the same as the rest of us.

When was the last time their footballers or hurlers came from nowhere to win the All-Ireland? Decades ago maybe.

If they could find a couple of lads to help out Patrick Horgan they'd have a chance to be fair. Best comment I saw about their defeat to Kilkenny last year was "Cork let Patrick Horgan down again".

The footballers could develop into a decent team eventually but they're a Division 3 team on merit. Division 3 teams don't beat Kerry in Championship Football."
Exactly.... as of today Cork are 40/1 to win SAM.

And they think Kerry wont beat them... lololol
That is taking Yerra to a whole new level....!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3405 - 10/10/2020 16:34:02    2296702

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Cork definitely are a genuine contender for hurling. Munster draw is favorable! Tipp have to meet Limerick early on. Cork inter county players looked good and fit in a competitive club championship. As for football, the county is beginning an upward curve. They will definitely give Kerry a match, and at this point should be commended for their excellent progress!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 706 - 10/10/2020 16:57:43    2296704

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Completely forgot about Connacht in my other post. Wasn't intentional; I dont think there's a lot between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon at the minute, and I see a lot of people backing Galway for the year thats in it. Im going with Mayo, purely because this Mayo panel are perennials, and are used to hanging around for the big All-Ireland matches."
I think the winner will be Dublin, with Kerry and Donegal the most likely challengers. Dublin's inter county players looked sharp and fit in club championship

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 706 - 10/10/2020 17:21:20    2296708

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Replying To MesAmis:  "They're really not.

They're the same as the rest of us.

When was the last time their footballers or hurlers came from nowhere to win the All-Ireland? Decades ago maybe.

If they could find a couple of lads to help out Patrick Horgan they'd have a chance to be fair. Best comment I saw about their defeat to Kilkenny last year was "Cork let Patrick Horgan down again".

The footballers could develop into a decent team eventually but they're a Division 3 team on merit. Division 3 teams don't beat Kerry in Championship Football."
I don't think a Cork having lads to help Horgan is the issue. They have a forward line comparable with any county team, it's the lack of Backs that hamper them.
Given this, a wet weather championship will make it even harder for cork, as their forwards won't outshoot teams to make up for deficiencies at the back. However I'd always say Cork are worth being in the discussion for Liam.
As for Sam, if everything aligned, an off day for Kerry and a super day for Cork they might catch them on the hop and win Munster but unlikely. To win Sam, no chance. To be competitive is the aim.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 284 - 10/10/2020 18:47:52    2296719

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The way things are going I'd be happier watching re runs of All Ireland Gold every Sunday on TG4.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1410 - 10/10/2020 22:40:48    2296744

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Replying To Rockies:  "Cork definitely are a genuine contender for hurling. Munster draw is favorable! Tipp have to meet Limerick early on. Cork inter county players looked good and fit in a competitive club championship. As for football, the county is beginning an upward curve. They will definitely give Kerry a match, and at this point should be commended for their excellent progress!"
That would suggest you think Waterford are a soft touch first up. One thing for sure above any other team we have no fear of Cork.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1695 - 11/10/2020 01:00:08    2296749

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Meath. That is all I'm interested in.
But tbh. Can't see it going ahead. Time to scrap the whole year I'm sorry to say.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17823 - 11/10/2020 12:08:08    2296785

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Replying To Canuck:  "That would suggest you think Waterford are a soft touch first up. One thing for sure above any other team we have no fear of Cork."
I'm actually expecting big things from Waterford in the next year or two. I was very impressed with them in the league and Liam Cahill is a good manager for them.
Whether they are genuine contenders or not is anyones guess but I wouldn't bet against them beating Cork.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 910 - 11/10/2020 12:15:52    2296787

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On previous form it would be Tipp and Limerick. However every year since Kilkenny last repeated the defending Champions looked un beatable and yet didn't repeat. Tipp looked unstoppable then Galway and Limerick. Parity is the norm in hurling right now. A dark horse i would go with, not necessarily to win the All-Ireland but to shake things up is Waterford. A serious manager in Cahill and a rededicated Austin Gleeson could be interesting. Anyone of 5 or 6 teams could win the All-Ireland. Having watched the American sports with no or limited supporters it just isn't the same unfortunately. that is another aspect teams will have to manage.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 312 - 11/10/2020 12:44:12    2296790

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Meath. That is all I'm interested in.
But tbh. Can't see it going ahead. Time to scrap the whole year I'm sorry to say."
Think you are right RD.

They will get the last 2 rounds of the league completed and just hit the reset button for Jan.
Can't see Championship games going ahead now.

But rest assured, this bloody Covid will be alive and kicking in 2021 unfortunately.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3405 - 11/10/2020 14:18:47    2296800

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I actually think that there s about 8 teams in hurling now capable of winning all ireland. The usual Munster crop Kilkenny Galway the Wexicans and even the Dubs

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 11/10/2020 14:33:49    2296804

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Replying To gatha:  "On previous form it would be Tipp and Limerick. However every year since Kilkenny last repeated the defending Champions looked un beatable and yet didn't repeat. Tipp looked unstoppable then Galway and Limerick. Parity is the norm in hurling right now. A dark horse i would go with, not necessarily to win the All-Ireland but to shake things up is Waterford. A serious manager in Cahill and a rededicated Austin Gleeson could be interesting. Anyone of 5 or 6 teams could win the All-Ireland. Having watched the American sports with no or limited supporters it just isn't the same unfortunately. that is another aspect teams will have to manage."
I think the problem with Waterford is the old one and used to be worse where the first 12 would match anyone. Now at least it is the first 15 to 18. If Conor Prunty or Conor Gleeson are not fit to play that is a much serious blow than it would be to other teams. It is also tough to expect Tadgh to be up to speed so soon after a lengthy lay off and he does not play with a senior club. A plus for sure with the form of Austin Gleeson if he plays without losing the head. He certainly is a wrecking train and will be called for hard fair hits as well as his stupid ones. You know like the great Frank Cummins who lay out three players on his way to the ball. I also think Dessie Hutchinson will not be a big factor in winter hurling where he will not get any thing like the same space given in the club game. I hope to be wrong.
The manager's have a lot to ponder on the type of players to use. How often have we seen players excel in winter time and the game too fast for them in summer. Skillful player are easier track down in winter and mark them out. I would be going for big work horses who can plough away in the mud. If we think they are too many rucks now we have seen nothing like this championship will delve up. For Waterford strong men like the Brick, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors and to a lesser extent Maurice would service them well but all gone now.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1695 - 11/10/2020 19:10:25    2296854

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I think Wexford missed the boat last year. Having Tipp on the ropes, couldn't land the knock-out blow. I don't think we will go any further this year as Tipp and Limerick both improve more presumably.
But lets be real here, a championship is becoming increasingly unlikely.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 11/10/2020 20:05:44    2296863

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I think Wexford missed the boat last year. Having Tipp on the ropes, couldn't land the knock-out blow. I don't think we will go any further this year as Tipp and Limerick both improve more presumably.
But lets be real here, a championship is becoming increasingly unlikely."
I dont agree with that. Tipp were an ageing team in most peoples eyes early last year. Theyre 18 months+ older now and the young players who made an impact late in the year off the bench last year have had very little game time overall and can not be compared with the likes of Callanan, the Mahers and McGrath. Dowling gone for Limerick is a massive loss despite only being a sub.
Wexford without a shadow of a doubt have room for improvement. They were in unchartered territory last year late in that game. Should have won it but can only learn from it. I'd imagine a lot of their team are around peak age too. This could be their year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3168 - 12/10/2020 04:59:57    2296907

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Replying To Canuck:  "I think the problem with Waterford is the old one and used to be worse where the first 12 would match anyone. Now at least it is the first 15 to 18. If Conor Prunty or Conor Gleeson are not fit to play that is a much serious blow than it would be to other teams. It is also tough to expect Tadgh to be up to speed so soon after a lengthy lay off and he does not play with a senior club. A plus for sure with the form of Austin Gleeson if he plays without losing the head. He certainly is a wrecking train and will be called for hard fair hits as well as his stupid ones. You know like the great Frank Cummins who lay out three players on his way to the ball. I also think Dessie Hutchinson will not be a big factor in winter hurling where he will not get any thing like the same space given in the club game. I hope to be wrong.
The manager's have a lot to ponder on the type of players to use. How often have we seen players excel in winter time and the game too fast for them in summer. Skillful player are easier track down in winter and mark them out. I would be going for big work horses who can plough away in the mud. If we think they are too many rucks now we have seen nothing like this championship will delve up. For Waterford strong men like the Brick, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors and to a lesser extent Maurice would service them well but all gone now."
Cahill is a real disciplinarian and he did not seem impressed with Austin Gleeson early in the year. Cahill does not care who he upsets as he showed what he more or less single handedly done to underage football in Tipp. Don't be surprised to see Gleeson spending some time on the bench for that reason.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3168 - 12/10/2020 05:05:47    2296908

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I think the winners of Galway and Wexford will win Leinster, and you would expect Limerick to win Munster. So you are looking at a final four of Limerick, Tipperary, Wexford and Galway, with the final between Limerick and Tipperary and a hesitant vote going to Limerick.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 135 - 12/10/2020 11:49:23    2296963

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I dont agree with that. Tipp were an ageing team in most peoples eyes early last year. Theyre 18 months+ older now and the young players who made an impact late in the year off the bench last year have had very little game time overall and can not be compared with the likes of Callanan, the Mahers and McGrath. Dowling gone for Limerick is a massive loss despite only being a sub.
Wexford without a shadow of a doubt have room for improvement. They were in unchartered territory last year late in that game. Should have won it but can only learn from it. I'd imagine a lot of their team are around peak age too. This could be their year."
still won the u21 at a canter if i remember correctly?
surely a few to come off that with the likes of morris,kehoe,etc?
wexford have room for improvement but i think we need to wait a year or two for some of the minors from last year to come through,and i am even not so sure about them after the semi final v galway last year.admittedly,i think the occasion got to them and they are better than they showed on the day (bearing in mind,i think it was our first leinster minor victory since 1985).
for me,if the championship does go ahead,the winner will be tipp or limerick.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/10/2020 21:14:26    2297129

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Replying To Canuck:  "That would suggest you think Waterford are a soft touch first up. One thing for sure above any other team we have no fear of Cork."
I think Waterford could be our toughest game. After that, I do not anticipate any difficulty with the best of the rest from Munster! Leinster teams do not impress me unduly, so I think Cork will win a "soft" All Ireland" and hand Patrick Horgan a first medal! Our main challenge will be Covid-19, which is an unpredictable adversary!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 706 - 12/10/2020 23:29:44    2297151

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Replying To gilly1910:  "I think the winners of Galway and Wexford will win Leinster, and you would expect Limerick to win Munster. So you are looking at a final four of Limerick, Tipperary, Wexford and Galway, with the final between Limerick and Tipperary and a hesitant vote going to Limerick."
Ide be well scared of a Liam Sherry team in an AI final no matter how good we are going

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/10/2020 11:01:06    2297195

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