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This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat,
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Where is the evidence that people have been infected by going to matches. Stopping people going to matches for 1 hour maybe 2 hours a week is going to have a minimal, insignificant effect on the numbers when people are ignoring the advice for the rest of the week true or false?
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 380 - 19/08/2020 16:46:57Well there's plenty evidence from across europe of travel to sporting events helping to spread covid.
Its stopping people travelling unnecessarily.
The likes of Austria can open up...750 at outdoor events. Germany aswell. Not us.
We have let the Nerds take over. Ever see those American disaster movies where a scientist is asked what are the chances of the asteroid hitting. He gives his statistics and then he's told to get back to his lab by the four star General and then the decision is made by the President.
A Nerd doesnt't take into account the social and economic factors. Actually its not the Nerds fault. Its the government who have abdicated responsibility and have left Dr Glynn out on a limb.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1247 - 19/08/2020 19:56:16
So people are nerds for wanting to reduce unnecessary number of deaths?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3495 - 20/08/2020 20:39:13
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Replying To KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," We live in a democracy and the GAA wanted evidence on why a decision was reached which affects a lot of GAA members. The government took 2 days and 4/5 failed interviews to explain their decisions. We're all in this together as they say but we need to be treated as adults and have decisions explained so we can move forward united. This government does not inspire confidence like the previous administration and following them blindly without question would be foolhardy. Darragh Colleary had no problem attending a hotel with 80 other guests indoors but his government thinks that's saver than 100 people sitting socially distancing in the Gaelic grounds. You might think that makes sense but I don't.
Of course the IRFU wouldn't come out with a statement like the GAAs as it's a much smaller organisation and their isn't as great an appetite from rugby fans to see their games.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 816 - 20/08/2020 21:48:46
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "With respect, regardless of how selfish they are, the teenagers smoking pot in your local park had nothing to do with the large rise in cases this August which have caused latest restrictions on GAA. Plainly, it is due to clusters that have emerged in unsafe workplaces and in Direct Provision.
Had we removed both of these from the equation, the numbers nationwide would have in general reflected the same 10 a week patterns that peripheral counties like Waterford and Donegal have seen. Not that it is acceptable, but there have been plenty of massive parties there." My point about the teenagers is in general about the disrespect for rules and lack of concern for others that we are seen. Also if ambivalence is shown in one aspect, it probable exists with them in all concerns. Of course they could have spread the virus also in their homes. There are too many people willing to throw up a smoke screen to suit their agenda. Like it didn't happen here and making scientific analysis that are not correct. I would love to have our games back like many more but public health trumps all. It is impossible to make rules to suit everyone's position and subsequently pain for all with the behaviour of some putting petrol on the fire. The virus is not selective and its behaviour is still an ongoing learning curve.
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They locked down the ports and had airport checks etc during the foot and mouth crisis, no one allowed in or out. We had mats soaked in Detol and Jeys fluid and trays of stuff at every shop door to dip our feet in to sanitize our shoes etc. We were not allowed to walk the land or visit farms. We had to post food and Christmas parcels to our friends and families in England. They were not allowed to come home either due to the restrictions, seems they cared more about the meat industry then and now than they do about us.
Why didn't they close down the meat factories in Kildare, Laois, and Offaly first, instead of restricting the movement of people within their own county to their own county.
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The public want to play their part & follow the guidelines & going from the number set for sporting events to 15 this week was asking a lot. But when those who govern us deliberately contradict all the guidelines they set, then you cannot expect the people to follow.
The current Minister for Agriculture who threw his toys out of the prom only a few weeks ago like most of his FF party colleagues when they didn't get what they wanted, who then landed the gig when one of his colleagues gave us the dog at my homework story about his history & only a few weeks in the midst of the biggest pandemic in years where they are asking huge sacrifices from people & this genius turns around & does the opposite to what they are imposing on people, unbelievable.
TIME TO RESIGN AS YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
An Oireachtas golf society with current & ex members of the Oireachtas, I hope this is not being paid for by taxpayers, will anyone put in for expenses as been part of their work ? There are an awful lot of questions to be answered by the venue, Oireachtas Committee & apologies won't wash with the public.
When you look at the names involved from the highest offices & courts in the land, these people seem to think that they are beyond the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by. In reality everyone that is a current public representative or high ranking civil servant that were present, they should resign en masse.
I stood at the side of the road this evening in the wind & the rain for a friends funeral I couldn't attend due to the guidelines & this bloated ego lectures us on what we can & can't do, sticks his two fingers up to us by doing as he wants & is " sorry", disgusting, shameful, sickening.
You have totally lost the people of Ireland now, no directive now can have any meaning or hope that people will follow it, unless we get mass resignation by all those involved. Government should fall really as this like the Votegate scandal is an affront to democracy from within the very chambers of democracy.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 20/08/2020 22:40:39
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Replying To updwell: " Replying To KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," We live in a democracy and the GAA wanted evidence on why a decision was reached which affects a lot of GAA members. The government took 2 days and 4/5 failed interviews to explain their decisions. We're all in this together as they say but we need to be treated as adults and have decisions explained so we can move forward united. This government does not inspire confidence like the previous administration and following them blindly without question would be foolhardy. Darragh Colleary had no problem attending a hotel with 80 other guests indoors but his government thinks that's saver than 100 people sitting socially distancing in the Gaelic grounds. You might think that makes sense but I don't. Of course the IRFU wouldn't come out with a statement like the GAAs as it's a much smaller organisation and their isn't as great an appetite from rugby fans to see their games."
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 20/08/2020 23:00:34
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Replying To KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," The GAA asked for evidence...how's that criticism? I said the pub and local GAA field....your clearing taking my quotes out of context....straight out of the propaganda machine
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 20/08/2020 23:43:31
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Replying To KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," Never see the IRFU put out a press release like that? Wasn't it the IRFU who demanded an urgent meeting with Government ministers back in February when it was suggested that playing a game that would see 100s of visitors to Dublin from the worst hit country in Europe would be a bad idea, and they wanted specific reasoning for why Ministers were saying the game should be called off?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/08/2020 00:36:30
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Replying To hashtag2017: "Good response. Between your county board and your publicans you are getting us all locked down!!" Dont think so at all, your prejudices are colouring your perception unfortunately. I watched part of the Down senior club game big stadium loads of empty spaces and the few hundreds allowed in crammed into one section you couldnt make it up. Dublin is a huge place, with 30%+ of the population we still have the same percentage of clowns in Dublin as you do. What we dont have is the same infection transmisdion as other counties. Galway city was packed last week end when I was there, Dublin city centre is ghost town most nights. You dont know how the crowds were managed at Parnell park! But yet you gives us your considered opinion anyway on a negligent Dublin county board? Bizarre! the Berlin Bar incident was not responsible for Kildare in lockdown nor the Parnell park games responsible for sporting measures being brought in, one followed the other not proceeded.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 21/08/2020 00:45:15
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Replying To supersub15: "They locked down the ports and had airport checks etc during the foot and mouth crisis, no one allowed in or out. We had mats soaked in Detol and Jeys fluid and trays of stuff at every shop door to dip our feet in to sanitize our shoes etc. We were not allowed to walk the land or visit farms. We had to post food and Christmas parcels to our friends and families in England. They were not allowed to come home either due to the restrictions, seems they cared more about the meat industry then and now than they do about us.
Why didn't they close down the meat factories in Kildare, Laois, and Offaly first, instead of restricting the movement of people within their own county to their own county." Money.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 21/08/2020 08:05:22
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Maybe it's time to abandon the county game for the year and let county boards focus on getting their club competitions completed.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1337 - 21/08/2020 09:05:50
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Replying To moc.dna: "The public want to play their part & follow the guidelines & going from the number set for sporting events to 15 this week was asking a lot. But when those who govern us deliberately contradict all the guidelines they set, then you cannot expect the people to follow.
The current Minister for Agriculture who threw his toys out of the prom only a few weeks ago like most of his FF party colleagues when they didn't get what they wanted, who then landed the gig when one of his colleagues gave us the dog at my homework story about his history & only a few weeks in the midst of the biggest pandemic in years where they are asking huge sacrifices from people & this genius turns around & does the opposite to what they are imposing on people, unbelievable.
TIME TO RESIGN AS YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
An Oireachtas golf society with current & ex members of the Oireachtas, I hope this is not being paid for by taxpayers, will anyone put in for expenses as been part of their work ? There are an awful lot of questions to be answered by the venue, Oireachtas Committee & apologies won't wash with the public.
When you look at the names involved from the highest offices & courts in the land, these people seem to think that they are beyond the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by. In reality everyone that is a current public representative or high ranking civil servant that were present, they should resign en masse.
I stood at the side of the road this evening in the wind & the rain for a friends funeral I couldn't attend due to the guidelines & this bloated ego lectures us on what we can & can't do, sticks his two fingers up to us by doing as he wants & is " sorry", disgusting, shameful, sickening.
You have totally lost the people of Ireland now, no directive now can have any meaning or hope that people will follow it, unless we get mass resignation by all those involved. Government should fall really as this like the Votegate scandal is an affront to democracy from within the very chambers of democracy." Well said. It stinks of Animal Farm, we are all equal but some are more equal than others.
It's laughable. After how badly things were managed by Fianna Fáil during the financial crisis and all of the associated cronyism that went on there they should never have been near governing the country again in my opinion. But it seems that even a decade in the wilderness hasn't tempered some their arrogance.
We all laughed at the UK with Dominic Cummings doing as he pleased. This is us now. Heads need to roll and questions need answering. Things are unravelling badly. We've gone from a genuine civic effort from the majority of the population to head off this virus to an uneasy situation now where confidence in the government's competency is dwindling by the hour.
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Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 21/08/2020 09:46:27
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Maybe it's time to abandon the county game for the year and let county boards focus on getting their club competitions completed." Club will be completed before intercounty so is that not exactly what we are doing right now anyway
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 21/08/2020 10:06:26
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Replying To Canuck: "My point about the teenagers is in general about the disrespect for rules and lack of concern for others that we are seen. Also if ambivalence is shown in one aspect, it probable exists with them in all concerns. Of course they could have spread the virus also in their homes. There are too many people willing to throw up a smoke screen to suit their agenda. Like it didn't happen here and making scientific analysis that are not correct. I would love to have our games back like many more but public health trumps all. It is impossible to make rules to suit everyone's position and subsequently pain for all with the behaviour of some putting petrol on the fire. The virus is not selective and its behaviour is still an ongoing learning curve." Not too many teenagers at that Golf dinner in Clifden!! Mostly over 50s, I'd say.
football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 21/08/2020 10:22:28
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Even Prof. Tomás Ryan of TCD, who is quite conservative in his views and is in favour of elimination rather than mitigation of the virus, seemed surprised on Éamon Dunphy's podcast yesterday on the decision relating to sporting venues. He said that he assumed that someone in NPHET had seen a problem with allowing spectators in. I think the majority of GAA members are also scratching their heads at this decision. We all want to see supporters back. It seems that this wasn't being done entirely safely in the past few weeks. It doesn't seem that hard to come up with a set of rules so that safety is ensured. We should all be getting on to our own club officers about getting that sorted between the game's senior adminsitrators and the Government.
DubSanIarthar (Dublin) - Posts: 19 - 21/08/2020 10:34:51
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Money." Or fear of the beef baron. ?
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 21/08/2020 10:37:18
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Replying To updwell: " Replying To KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," We live in a democracy and the GAA wanted evidence on why a decision was reached which affects a lot of GAA members. The government took 2 days and 4/5 failed interviews to explain their decisions. We're all in this together as they say but we need to be treated as adults and have decisions explained so we can move forward united. This government does not inspire confidence like the previous administration and following them blindly without question would be foolhardy. Darragh Colleary had no problem attending a hotel with 80 other guests indoors but his government thinks that's saver than 100 people sitting socially distancing in the Gaelic grounds. You might think that makes sense but I don't. Of course the IRFU wouldn't come out with a statement like the GAAs as it's a much smaller organisation and their isn't as great an appetite from rugby fans to see their games."
What happened at the hotel was wrong, but it was not done with government approval, as you suggest. Heads are starting to roll; Senator Jerry Buttimer have resigned. Plenty more of the great and the good of Irish political circles were there (including Phil Hogan, European Commissioner). These are intelligent people, who would have known full well what they were doing regarding the Covid19 rules.They all should be named and shamed, and pressurised to resign if applicable.
The hotel in question new full well what it was doing. This wasn't some barman jumping on a counter as in Dublin. This was meticulously planned by the management well in advance. It should be shut down.
All this has nothing to do with crowds being allowed at Gaelic games. It was wrong and against the rules.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: " Replying To updwell: "[quote=KillingFields: "This is really depressing...the reality is it looks like 2021 is going to be the same story. I think the GAA are right to ask for evidence specific to our games.
You can eat and drink away in bars like D2, big gastro pubs in Dublin, cork, Galway but rural Ireland is being punished.
Outside in the open is safe. People talk about crowds gathering, go for a walk in any town and look at Tesco, Penny's etc...banks...all open with people everywhere.
The streets of Westport are packed with tourists.
The GAA pitch and pub, the last two pillars of community life are now effectively shut...I understand decisions are made with public health in mind but what about mental health?Shut down the pubs that re open and using loopholes having local take aways deliver food so, because at the minute it's one rule for them and another for everyone else.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10179 - 19/08/2020 13:35:47I really dont think you can say 2021 will be the same at all
You cant at all drink away in big pubs in the cities.
It doesnt say a lot about how good our community life is if the pub is a pillar of community life and the GAA have taken very bad angle on this situation criticising the government.
People criticise the IRFU/rugby and its relationship with media a lot but you'd never see IRFU put out a press release like thaat," We live in a democracy and the GAA wanted evidence on why a decision was reached which affects a lot of GAA members. The government took 2 days and 4/5 failed interviews to explain their decisions. We're all in this together as they say but we need to be treated as adults and have decisions explained so we can move forward united. This government does not inspire confidence like the previous administration and following them blindly without question would be foolhardy. Darragh Colleary had no problem attending a hotel with 80 other guests indoors but his government thinks that's saver than 100 people sitting socially distancing in the Gaelic grounds. You might think that makes sense but I don't. Of course the IRFU wouldn't come out with a statement like the GAAs as it's a much smaller organisation and their isn't as great an appetite from rugby fans to see their games."
What happened at the hotel was wrong, but it was not done with government approval, as you suggest. Heads are starting to roll; Senator Jerry Buttimer have resigned. Plenty more of the great and the good of Irish political circles were there (including Phil Hogan, European Commissioner). These are intelligent people, who would have known full well what they were doing regarding the Covid19 rules.They all should be named and shamed, and pressurised to resign if applicable.
The hotel in question new full well what it was doing. This wasn't some barman jumping on a counter as in Dublin. This was meticulously planned by the management well in advance. It should be shut down.
All this has nothing to do with crowds being allowed at Gaelic games. It was wrong and against the rules."]I feel sorry for Dara Calleary. It's not easy being a FF minister from Mayo - all that travelling to Dublin and still attend to important local issues. I wanna tell you something, try it sometime.
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I don't care what side of the political fence you are on I think it must be obvious by now to everyone that this new government is a complete farce just when the country needs real leadership. I think we need to head back to the ballot boxes asap.
on a parochial note I hope the ministry for Agriculture now comes to Donegal and Mc Conalogue who should have got it in the first place, he might manage to stay in office till Christmas, that would be a big improvement over his predecessors.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 21/08/2020 12:04:33
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