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Replying To Joxer:  "I think you'll find that the referee in the OBC game made some very bad decisions in the last 10m and gifted the underdog the game. He took some verbals from some fans for his trouble. On Sat the referee made a very good decision and was then publicly castigated by a Mayo, Kerry and Derry group of experts for his trouble. Apparently it was more important that he didn't "ruin the game" than get the decision right. Referees can't win. As for Brolly's comments on John Small. Poor."
Joxer are you serious with that couple of posts? You talk about how hard it is for refs and then you defend what happened to the ref after the O Byrne cup game. Laughable stuff.

I defended Cassidy for the red card but overall he is a poor ref and was poor throughout the game at the weekend. No consistency at all. But he didn't get abused by a mob at full time so maybe chill the beans a bit.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8401 - 04/02/2020 02:20:00    2264993

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Luckily for Mayo they have a simply awful Meath team up next,
Lose that and it curtains in Div 1, and deservedly so ..

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 04/02/2020 09:58:56    2265005

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Replying To gallarus14:  "Joxer Dublin could have had three players sent off against us last Saturday if that's the case. Dublin players tackle head high more than any other team Iv seen."
Was literally about to post the same about Kerry. Go figure!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 04/02/2020 10:19:21    2265015

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Replying To Joxer:  "Sorry but it was a straight red. Closed fist, late, he pulls down to ensure that he connects high with Small's head area, the ball is gone and intention was to take Small out. Not a patch on the Kev Mc incident. "Most neutrals". Who are these "most neutrals"? Even Padden had to admit upon replay that "it doesn't get any better". This is the instruction to referees.

"Anything above the shoulders in relation to striking to the head, from the neck up, we've instructed our referees clearly, both in hurling and football, to issue a red card for a challenge that's a deliberate challenge to the head."

The nonsense that the referee should have considered a yellow because a red would "ruin the game" and this drivel is coming from "expert analysts" just illustrates how difficult and thankless the referee's job is."
I never get how a sending off "ruins the game", it is possible to win a game of football with 14 men or get a result.

Take the first game of the All Ireland final this year, when Johnny Cooper was send off, it probably made it more even game, 14 Vs 15, if anything it made the game more exciting.

I think we also won a league title against Galway coming from behind with a man down.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4517 - 04/02/2020 10:44:08    2265026

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Replying To BeJasus:  "Luckily for Mayo they have a simply awful Meath team up next,
Lose that and it curtains in Div 1, and deservedly so .."
I agree the meath game is a must win for us however I would never write us off either. Meath will be well up for this game at home...could be a belter if a game.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11587 - 04/02/2020 10:57:10    2265036

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Replying To Joxer:  "I think you're right but it absolutely beggars belief that a so called panel of experts analysing the game at half time thought that this wasn't a red. No wonder referees are becoming short in supply. Who'd want to be one when you make a perfectly correct decision only to have a trio of so called experts attempt to undermine you on national TV. Who'd be a referee?"
Did you copy and paste this from half time in the drawn all ireland final last year?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 04/02/2020 13:36:34    2265093

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Joxer are you serious with that couple of posts? You talk about how hard it is for refs and then you defend what happened to the ref after the O Byrne cup game. Laughable stuff.

I defended Cassidy for the red card but overall he is a poor ref and was poor throughout the game at the weekend. No consistency at all. But he didn't get abused by a mob at full time so maybe chill the beans a bit."
Defend?? What have I defended? I've just contrasted the two refereeing decisions. I'm not defending anything other than referees in general and the unenviable task they have especially when so called experts lambaste them for making the correct decision on the pitch. In fact if you look at my posts on that OBC game you'll see that I defended the referee there as well. They're amateurs at the end of the day.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 04/02/2020 14:51:19    2265113

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Replying To Joxer:  "Defend?? What have I defended? I've just contrasted the two refereeing decisions. I'm not defending anything other than referees in general and the unenviable task they have especially when so called experts lambaste them for making the correct decision on the pitch. In fact if you look at my posts on that OBC game you'll see that I defended the referee there as well. They're amateurs at the end of the day."
Think you need to read the first line of your post that I responded to.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8401 - 04/02/2020 15:11:31    2265115

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Brolly attacking Small is embarrasing, akin to his Cavanagh attacke a few years ago. There is a clip doing the rounds showing how late and out of control Flynn was with his arm, all this in fron of the ref = Red Card. There is no defending Flynn here.

thegen (Dublin) - Posts: 30 - 04/02/2020 17:01:41    2265147

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Think you need to read the first line of your post that I responded to."
Yes I wasn't lambasting him over it I stated the fact, backed up by match reports also, that he gave Longford some easy frees late on. I'm not sure what this has to do with the public bashing that Cassidy took from a panel of "experts" on Sat night for making a correct decision. Surely the real problem here is panelists wrongfully questioning a referee's performance, no?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 04/02/2020 17:40:43    2265156

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Replying To thegen:  "Brolly attacking Small is embarrasing, akin to his Cavanagh attacke a few years ago. There is a clip doing the rounds showing how late and out of control Flynn was with his arm, all this in fron of the ref = Red Card. There is no defending Flynn here."
Brolly's comments on Small were a disgrace but Brolly will say whatever it takes to get Brolly into the limelight. We all know that.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 04/02/2020 17:42:51    2265157

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes I wasn't lambasting him over it I stated the fact, backed up by match reports also, that he gave Longford some easy frees late on. I'm not sure what this has to do with the public bashing that Cassidy took from a panel of "experts" on Sat night for making a correct decision. Surely the real problem here is panelists wrongfully questioning a referee's performance, no?"
Let me first start by saying it was a justified red against Mayo. Secondly I may add the referee was very poor apart from that but was not the reason for the Mayo loss.

Now back to your post. You responded to a poster talking about the behaviour of a large group of idiots after the Dubs v Longford game. You explained he got some verbals( lol understatement) and then you justify it by saying he had a poor game. In a bloody pre season game when your B team was out. In the same breath you are more outraged by the treatment of Cassidy who had a very poor game in general, regardless of the red card call. Hope that clears it up.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8401 - 04/02/2020 18:25:21    2265169

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes I wasn't lambasting him over it I stated the fact, backed up by match reports also, that he gave Longford some easy frees late on. I'm not sure what this has to do with the public bashing that Cassidy took from a panel of "experts" on Sat night for making a correct decision. Surely the real problem here is panelists wrongfully questioning a referee's performance, no?"
Joxer, you know yourself, panellists have to talk about something otherwise they don't get invited back. Refs do have a tough time, made tougher again by the recent rule changes which are pushing them to the point of being overloaded. I've already stated that I believe Barry C was right to issue a red for what was a reckless and pretty brainless challenge (I'm sure young Flynn has the same view in the cold light). But Barry does need to review his own performances because the questioning of his consistency is no longer a new one, and players and supporters are best served when the pundits are given nothing controversial to talk about.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 04/02/2020 18:58:59    2265179

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Didnt yer fans highly blagard a refferee after the O'Byrne Cup semi final only a couple of weeks ago joxer."
Wasn't there an avalanche of match programmes thrown at match officials by your crowd a few years ago??

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 04/02/2020 19:09:41    2265186

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Let me first start by saying it was a justified red against Mayo. Secondly I may add the referee was very poor apart from that but was not the reason for the Mayo loss.

Now back to your post. You responded to a poster talking about the behaviour of a large group of idiots after the Dubs v Longford game. You explained he got some verbals( lol understatement) and then you justify it by saying he had a poor game. In a bloody pre season game when your B team was out. In the same breath you are more outraged by the treatment of Cassidy who had a very poor game in general, regardless of the red card call. Hope that clears it up."
You're completely missing the point Flaker. So I'll spell it out for you. Like the Mayo fans that gave Cassidy verbals on Sat at HT, Dublin fans gave the ref at their OBC game verbals. These are just facts and I'm not defending either. However, fans giving their opinion on a ref's performance is not going to damage that ref's reputation with Croke Park officialdom nor damage the prospect of him landing big assignments in the future. So called panel experts commenting on a ref's performance, however, "experts" who should know better and who are in a position of influence, are much more likely to cause reputational damage to a referee than a group of drunk Dublin or Mayo fans. I hope that spells it out for you. Refs have a hard enough job as it is without ex footballers incorrectly calling them out for decisions that were actually correct.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 04/02/2020 21:15:28    2265219

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Replying To Pericles:  "Joxer, you know yourself, panellists have to talk about something otherwise they don't get invited back. Refs do have a tough time, made tougher again by the recent rule changes which are pushing them to the point of being overloaded. I've already stated that I believe Barry C was right to issue a red for what was a reckless and pretty brainless challenge (I'm sure young Flynn has the same view in the cold light). But Barry does need to review his own performances because the questioning of his consistency is no longer a new one, and players and supporters are best served when the pundits are given nothing controversial to talk about."
Agree with all of that Pericles. I'm only commenting on that incident and the panel's reaction to it. I thought they were out of order on that one. It's these panelists that influence decision making in Croke Park at the end of the day. Brolly's comments on Small, who was taken out head high, were shocking. Poor performance all round from that panel.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 04/02/2020 21:21:34    2265221

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Dublin fans going mad over Brolly commmets on small but he has been their biggest cheerleader and they lapped up it...quiet funny to watch cause I've seen it for years myself with his comments on mayo...one week we are the saviors of football and the next week we belong in a mental asylum and should be banned from All Ireland finals....you just can't take him seriously...

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11587 - 04/02/2020 23:04:47    2265251

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Dublin fans going mad over Brolly commmets on small but he has been their biggest cheerleader and they lapped up it...quiet funny to watch cause I've seen it for years myself with his comments on mayo...one week we are the saviors of football and the next week we belong in a mental asylum and should be banned from All Ireland finals....you just can't take him seriously..."
My first thought was he was trying to lick up to Mayo in all honesty and was probably staying there that night, hes given them some dogs abuse in the last three years - offside stuff of a personal nature and there is never any need for that - lost a fair bit of respect him over the stuff he said about Mayo.

Id say John Small broke his cake about it and id say hes getting some slagging in training this week.

The Dubs, sell papers and put bums on seats, what are you going to do, this stuff is all par for the course.

tell you what though, Johnny Small has turned into a terrific player and is increasingly becoming very pivitol to this Dublin side, id put him in the Jimmy McCarthy bracket of unsung hero before everyone realized just how good he was 3-4 all Ireland's in. I dont mind all the controversy in the media if it helps him to go to continue to be underrated

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4517 - 05/02/2020 09:56:16    2265289

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Replying To hamsterdean:  "Wasn't there an avalanche of match programmes thrown at match officials by your crowd a few years ago??"
Ah sure,but didn't you know that it's always the refs fault for when their team is losing or isn't playing well. It probably didn't happen or it will just be ignored by Kingdom and his cronies.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 05/02/2020 10:42:55    2265299

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As a neutral I thought it was a red. He was out of control and hit him in the face. It may have been accidental (we don't know) but it was certainly reckless. If he didn't do much damage that was just good luck. Agree it was lower end of red card.

Remember Kerry Mayo in 2018 Evan Regan had his jaw broken by a swinging arm. Same player had his collar bone broken (against Kerry as well!) when he jumped to catch a ball and someone took his legs (a red card in rugby). Certain types of tackles have a potential for serious damage and need consistent red cards.

Accidental seems to be a get of jail card for years in the GAA. The responsibility should be on the player to be in enough control of his body for these things not to happen. I get that there are situations when a player turns into a tackle at the last second and the shoulder hits the face etc but when u go to nail someone be it rugby, soccer, gaa u know that if u mistime it u are in serious bother.

This shouldn't take away from the heavy hits that we all love, just the cheap mean ones.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1922 - 05/02/2020 11:08:42    2265308

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