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Replying To totalrecall: "Ref called six minutes in Donegal v Mayo game, he then added over two minutes to that, first half only two minutes added for 35 minutes football! Yet he adds two and a half minutes for six minutes football??? Time to follow ladies football with the hooter." Infairness there were stoppages in extra time which probably contributed to the additional time ifindoubt (Donegal) - Posts: 133 - 28/01/2020 20:05:16 2263292 Link
11 minutes extra in Galway/Mon, Mayo/Don Corofin/Kilcoo etc. its crazy and in all the games the refs create an environment for fighting due to the extra time, fatigue, frustration. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1732 - 28/01/2020 21:57:56 2263344 Link
As far as time running out before a free is taken we can steal a bit From American Football where a game can not end on a defensive penalty. If you foul a player while on defense the offensive team gets the penalty and one more play. If a team has a free and the clock runs out the team still gets to take the free. Every major sport except soccer i believe has a clock the GAA should have one also. If VAR is going to be looked at how can we not have a clock. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 29/01/2020 12:58:37 2263478 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Is that why there was 7 minutes added on at the end of the drawn allireland final joxer?" The time keeping issue was raised when Kerry boys "lost" in 2011. The irony in Kerry questioning Cluxton time taking the free when Kerry were time wasting for 65 minute of that game. It took bryan Sheehan 2 minutes to take a free and he didn't have the luxury coming up from goals. LOL hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 04/02/2020 19:19:59 2265191 Link
I think in general stoppage time rarely makes up for all the breaks in play. My main issue is the lack of transparency to it. 3 times the solution of a countdown clock (ala ladies football) was passed at congress. For some reason the powers at be decided they would unilaterally not introduce it on the basis that it was unworkable. May i suggest if Central council find it so complicated that they ask their ladies equivalents for help! It is laughable at this stage PS The fact that they can ignore congress when it suits also needs to be explained. Potentially that is a bigger issue. Anyone with more in depth knowledge of this than me? Please share what you know! Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 06/02/2020 13:38:17 2265668 Link
Replying To Mayonman: "I think in general stoppage time rarely makes up for all the breaks in play. My main issue is the lack of transparency to it. 3 times the solution of a countdown clock (ala ladies football) was passed at congress. For some reason the powers at be decided they would unilaterally not introduce it on the basis that it was unworkable. May i suggest if Central council find it so complicated that they ask their ladies equivalents for help! It is laughable at this stage PS The fact that they can ignore congress when it suits also needs to be explained. Potentially that is a bigger issue. Anyone with more in depth knowledge of this than me? Please share what you know!" Not even a countdown clock. Just stop the clock when there is a break in play (injuries, subs, rows (which a lot of the time are deliberately instigated to waste time)). Ref blows whistle on 70 mins, simple! Or if needs be a hooter, which I don't really like but which could be used if refs start acting the bollix and start adding on their own "personal" additional time to engineer a draw. Surely every half decent inter county ground has a digital clock that can be stopped and started as required and is visible to the fans. TheImmortal (USA) - Posts: 24 - 07/02/2020 04:43:55 2265846 Link
Replying To TheImmortal: "Not even a countdown clock. Just stop the clock when there is a break in play (injuries, subs, rows (which a lot of the time are deliberately instigated to waste time)). Ref blows whistle on 70 mins, simple! Or if needs be a hooter, which I don't really like but which could be used if refs start acting the bollix and start adding on their own "personal" additional time to engineer a draw. Surely every half decent inter county ground has a digital clock that can be stopped and started as required and is visible to the fans." You shouldn't have to stop the clock for all those instances. A sub coming on should be in a break of play be it a free/kick off/sideline ball and not need the clock to stop And refs dont engineer draws. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3748 - 07/02/2020 11:11:03 2265907 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "You shouldn't have to stop the clock for all those instances. A sub coming on should be in a break of play be it a free/kick off/sideline ball and not need the clock to stop And refs dont engineer draws." They don't deliberately but........... a ref will not blow up generally when u are attacking even if time has passed. It is too arbitrary. A bloody clock that the ref stops through the 4th official is not a lot to ask. It is probably not easily transferable to junior c games but so be it. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 07/02/2020 12:05:56 2265920 Link
Ask the Clare hurlers of 98 about the use of a clock. The lack of one cost them an All-Ireland. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 07/02/2020 12:17:53 2265925 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Is that why there was 7 minutes added on at the end of the drawn allireland final joxer?" The time keeping issue was raised when Kerry boys "lost" in 2011. The irony in Kerry questioning Cluxton time taking the free when Kerry were time wasting for 65 minute of that game. It took bryan Sheehan 2 minutes to take a free and he didn't have the luxury coming up from goals. LOL hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 152 - 04/02/2020 19:19:59 2265191 Thanks for your reply Joxer Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 979 - 07/02/2020 14:17:56 2265947 Link
2 points; 1. Let me take you back to Michael Meehan's goal from a 14 yard free v Cork in 2013 in Croke Park, here's what happened just before it; 3 mins injury time announced. After approx 1.50 of that Galway won the 14 yard free. Cork players complained at the award and the free was eventually taken and scored at approx 2.50 to bring the margin to 1 point. The ball was kicked out and the referee blew the final whistle. Compare this to recent Dublin v Kerry, Corofin v Kilcoo and Galway v Monaghan games. I'm not saying which approach is correct but what annoys supporters is inconsistency. 2. The ladies clock is almost a great concept but as it is now it encourages even more cynical play. In the recent ladies club final Mourne Abbey scored a lead point with about 20 seconds left on the clock. The keeper kicked the ball out and the first Kilkerrin Clonberne player to get her hands on the ball was dragged to the ground. Time up, final whistle blown. The game finishes when the clock hits zero no matter what's happening on the field. What's needed is a combination of the ladies gaelic and rugby systems with a visible clock that continues until the ball goes out of play (over the sideline or endline) combined with an independent time keeper. Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 07/02/2020 15:50:17 2265973 Link
Replying To Mayonman: "They don't deliberately but........... a ref will not blow up generally when u are attacking even if time has passed. It is too arbitrary. A bloody clock that the ref stops through the 4th official is not a lot to ask. It is probably not easily transferable to junior c games but so be it." You dont need a stop clock just have a rule that ball must be dead ie either a score or go out for a line ball for game to end and a game cant end on a free so if a team who is losing and has possession just cant get fouled for a stoppage in game in order for game to end. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3748 - 07/02/2020 15:58:09 2265976 Link
Play on lads, until it's a draw. The GAA way. dakid (Australia) - Posts: 292 - 09/02/2020 12:18:12 2266306 Link
Replying To TheImmortal: "Not even a countdown clock. Just stop the clock when there is a break in play (injuries, subs, rows (which a lot of the time are deliberately instigated to waste time)). Ref blows whistle on 70 mins, simple! Or if needs be a hooter, which I don't really like but which could be used if refs start acting the bollix and start adding on their own "personal" additional time to engineer a draw. Surely every half decent inter county ground has a digital clock that can be stopped and started as required and is visible to the fans." That would be too easy, accurate and dispel arguments. My guess is many want the indiscretions of the referee, players and coaches wasting time etc. when it suits their team. Blow the damn hooter on 70 or 60 minutes of play no matter where the ball is. If it is crossing the line as the hooter goes it has to be across the line first. That will not happen that often anyway and give those umpires some thing to do. Put a beeper in their pocket or ear to match the clock. I can hear it what if a player hauled down in the square as the hooter goes. Allow the penalty as tenths of seconds left means the game is not over and suspend the offender for a game. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 09/02/2020 14:18:15 2266337 Link
The main problem is you have the highly paid officials who administer the game from Croke Park introduce new formats or rules without thorough clarity. We saw this with the Super 8's & Tier Two as well. The 10 minute sin binning problem should have been foreseen, last night it was like a small hospital in Croke Park with fellas on the ground giving Roanaldo a run for his money, eating up the 10 minutes. The roll on effect is 80 minute games & it won't be long before we get into 90 minute games with each team rolling around the ground as if after being shot just to waste the 10 minute sinbinning. Of course to copy the way rugby do things wouldn't have been possible for the GAA, even though it works in rugby. For the two competing counties & partisans last night the game might have been exciting, for neutrals the antics were just another reason not to go to games or watch them on TV. The C'ship attendance figures were down 30% last year, if this stupidity with the 10 minutes is kept, that figure will be exceeded again. Add in the mark which is a complete joke, a kick able free for just catching the ball ???? & the Maor Foirne who now are sent in as runners to distract the kick out or impede runners for a kick out, how long before a player is injured by a Maor Foirne or there is one massive free for all where a Maor Foirne is decked. The GAA have made a shambles of rule changes & formats without even thinking through every eventuality. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 09/02/2020 14:27:32 2266339 Link
Backed the draw at ht....delighted. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11557 - 09/02/2020 14:32:34 2266343 Link
Just the 9 minutes of injury time last night (6 indicated) TheImmortal (USA) - Posts: 24 - 09/02/2020 15:08:14 2266357 Link
Replying To TheImmortal: "Just the 9 minutes of injury time last night (6 indicated)" Same as the 9 minutes played to Kerry's advantage v Dublin. 6 indicated. Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 09/02/2020 15:35:01 2266363 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Backed the draw at ht....delighted." What odds did you get? lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 09/02/2020 19:52:05 2266532 Link
Timekeeping in football and hurling has gotten to farcical levels. Surely to Christ it can't be that hard to organise properly so there some transparency for players and fans. In this day and age with all the available technology and week in week out we're watching referees playing over the amount of added time at their "discretion" . Stop the clock like in rugby or use the clock like ladies football. Put an end to this carry on once and for all. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2303 - 09/02/2020 20:58:17 2266576 Link