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Replying To Mayfair: "A visible clock so everyone would know exactly how much time remains. Galway v Monaghan today had an added 5 minutes and played almost 10. Just be upfront and transparent and it will cut out the time wasting." Exactly. Almost every other high scoring sport has one to avoid the "discretion" problem, basketball is a prime example. There's always a sense that referees will always give the losing team one more chance to draw level, no matter what the time on the clock. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 26/01/2020 18:55:54 2262581 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "Dublin Kerry had a "minimum" of 6 minutes additional time. The Dublin 21m free was given about 74:50, but only finally taken at 75:45. Would people rather the ref just blew up there and then rather than recoup the minute lost? Then Dublin fouled twice from the kickout and kicked the ball away, slowing the game up even more. Should the ref have just blown the game up there and then and rewarded Dublin for their deliberate fouls? What do people want?" Spot on, teams are becoming masterful at managing the clock when in the lead, cynical fouling, starting scuffles, dithering over frees for an eternity etc. Time should be added on for this. A visible clock would be great. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 26/01/2020 19:11:30 2262585 Link
Why does every thing seem so difficult for the GAA. Put the games back to 30 minute halves with a clock only running when the ball is in play. I know I hear it. Would take too long to play the games. B.S. Number one the time for injuries is getting added on any way. So if there is serious injury no one knows how long a game will take anyway. If players are delaying time on frees, puck outs, kick outs, etc. penalize them. The only job of time keeping for the referee is making sure the play is restarted within the allowed time. The time keeper does the clock. 60 minutes of play and no dispute. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 26/01/2020 19:14:19 2262588 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Exactly. Almost every other high scoring sport has one to avoid the "discretion" problem, basketball is a prime example. There's always a sense that referees will always give the losing team one more chance to draw level, no matter what the time on the clock." Is that why there was 7 minutes added on at the end of the drawn allireland final joxer? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2020 19:19:21 2262590 Link
Agree they should bring in the clock but until that happens I agree with the refs adding time to extra time when he thinks they are time wasting or giving away frees to run down the clock galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 26/01/2020 19:22:48 2262593 Link
How would a visible clock cut out the time wasting? Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 26/01/2020 20:06:05 2262618 Link
Replying To Bellewest: "How would a visible clock cut out the time wasting?" You could go over and back the pitch with the ball if you knew there were only 30 seconds remaining. If a player didnt know how much time was left specifically and you tried the same time wasting , the ref is likely to add on his own time. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 26/01/2020 20:32:52 2262633 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "You could go over and back the pitch with the ball if you knew there were only 30 seconds remaining. If a player didnt know how much time was left specifically and you tried the same time wasting , the ref is likely to add on his own time." Ref doesnt add on time for a team playing keep ball. Ref adds time for injuries. Lads giving away frees to kill the clock or taking an age to take a free. If a team wants to play keep ball then so be it up to the opposition to dispossess them. Clock would just mean no questions on timekeeping galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 26/01/2020 20:42:32 2262638 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Is that why there was 7 minutes added on at the end of the drawn allireland final joxer?" Yes 7m lad, not 7m plus another 3m or as many minutes as are required to get Kerry into an equalising scoring position on the pitch :) Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 27/01/2020 12:07:49 2262842 Link
Replying To Bellewest: "How would a visible clock cut out the time wasting?" Because it would be stopped while you lie on the ground feigning injury and getting attention, it would be stopped while you get a yellow card for fouling opponent, it would be stopped while you bring on a sub, it would be stopped while the 'handbags' are waving around etc. The ref would order it stopped for all such time wasting so there would be no point in wasting time. Mayfair (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 27/01/2020 12:33:53 2262853 Link
Replying To Mayfair: "Because it would be stopped while you lie on the ground feigning injury and getting attention, it would be stopped while you get a yellow card for fouling opponent, it would be stopped while you bring on a sub, it would be stopped while the 'handbags' are waving around etc. The ref would order it stopped for all such time wasting so there would be no point in wasting time." It would cut out that type of time wasting but would increase the holding of the ball in the last few minutes with a team a couple of points up. Happens all the time in Ladies Football. Also there is always a way to waste time, the clock doesn't get stopped for free kicks so, as we've seen in Ladies Football the winning team can just foul away in the last minute to wind the clock down. Still probably worth it overall but it won't eliminate all timewasting. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 27/01/2020 13:30:41 2262880 Link
Replying To Mayfair: "A visible clock so everyone would know exactly how much time remains. Galway v Monaghan today had an added 5 minutes and played almost 10. Just be upfront and transparent and it will cut out the time wasting." There was Galway players down on the ground for at least 6 of those minutes, but yeah a clocked stopped for all the stoppages would cut out this messing. Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 814 - 27/01/2020 14:35:51 2262908 Link
The main issue with the visible clock which is stopped, is it very much encourages a cynical foul at the very end of the game in certain scenarios. The clock is absolute in this case, so once time has elapsed them game is over. The problem is a team needing a score to level a match can simply be hauled down in their own half with less than 30 seconds on the clock. The clock doesn't stop for the taking of frees and it also kills the momentum. We saw a blatant example of this in the Ladies Club Final, where Kilkerrin-Clonberne were attacking on halfway a point behind with around 20 seconds left. A quick pass in could have lead to a score, but instead the player in possession was rugby tackled from behind. By the time they got to take the free, time was up. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2315 - 27/01/2020 15:35:57 2262931 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "The main issue with the visible clock which is stopped, is it very much encourages a cynical foul at the very end of the game in certain scenarios. The clock is absolute in this case, so once time has elapsed them game is over. The problem is a team needing a score to level a match can simply be hauled down in their own half with less than 30 seconds on the clock. The clock doesn't stop for the taking of frees and it also kills the momentum. We saw a blatant example of this in the Ladies Club Final, where Kilkerrin-Clonberne were attacking on halfway a point behind with around 20 seconds left. A quick pass in could have lead to a score, but instead the player in possession was rugby tackled from behind. By the time they got to take the free, time was up." Ok but we can learn from other codes - e.g rugby, allow the free in these cases and play continues until the ball goes dead. I'd also say that any personal foul in added time should be an automatic 20 metre free in front of goal - that'd settle it!! Mayfair (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 27/01/2020 16:17:19 2262952 Link
Given the thirst the GAA has for draws I'm apprehensive about giving referees the power to add on as many minutes as they see fit on top of the announced injury time. Both Division 1 games on Saturday night were let play until the team that was behind leveled the game. The refs blew for full time immediately after the leveling score. greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 436 - 27/01/2020 21:32:30 2263049 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "The main issue with the visible clock which is stopped, is it very much encourages a cynical foul at the very end of the game in certain scenarios. The clock is absolute in this case, so once time has elapsed them game is over. The problem is a team needing a score to level a match can simply be hauled down in their own half with less than 30 seconds on the clock. The clock doesn't stop for the taking of frees and it also kills the momentum. We saw a blatant example of this in the Ladies Club Final, where Kilkerrin-Clonberne were attacking on halfway a point behind with around 20 seconds left. A quick pass in could have lead to a score, but instead the player in possession was rugby tackled from behind. By the time they got to take the free, time was up." In the 1978 soccer World Cup a contoversial ref blew the final whistle as the ball was in the air after a corner kick. I know that was the refs fault and not the clock but I think this would happen all the time with a strict stop clock buzzer system. There are options though like allowing play to go on until its out of bounds or the losing team fouls like rugby or allowing the shot to count as long as it has left the attackers boot/hurley before the buzzer like basketball. IMO stopping the clock is fine if the ref asks for it for a big stoppage but the final decision on when the final whistle blows should still be his only Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 27/01/2020 21:42:14 2263055 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "Given the thirst the GAA has for draws I'm apprehensive about giving referees the power to add on as many minutes as they see fit on top of the announced injury time. Both Division 1 games on Saturday night were let play until the team that was behind leveled the game. The refs blew for full time immediately after the leveling score." Ref called six minutes in Donegal v Mayo game, he then added over two minutes to that, first half only two minutes added for 35 minutes football! Yet he adds two and a half minutes for six minutes football??? Time to follow ladies football with the hooter. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1054 - 27/01/2020 22:18:18 2263067 Link
Aussie AFL applies that too - e.g. make a Mark before the buzzer and the shot at goal is allowed. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3234 - 27/01/2020 22:33:44 2263073 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Yes 7m lad, not 7m plus another 3m or as many minutes as are required to get Kerry into an equalising scoring position on the pitch :)" Replying To CastleBravo: "Dublin Kerry had a "minimum" of 6 minutes additional time. The Dublin 21m free was given about 74:50, but only finally taken at 75:45. Would people rather the ref just blew up there and then rather than recoup the minute lost? Then Dublin fouled twice from the kickout and kicked the ball away, slowing the game up even more. Should the ref have just blown the game up there and then and rewarded Dublin for their deliberate fouls? What do people want?" People are seemingly avoiding this post and still finding a way to complain about the 9/10mins added on. Kerry getting into a scoring position was completely the fault of Dublin and their lack of discipline fouling twice from Kerry's kick out, Mc Carthey kicking the ball away to be brought up 13m. Looking at Dublin's final attack they were clearly trying to play a Basketball Shot clock like style to, remaining patient but got their score earlier than they needed and their attempts to waste time fell flat. My only worry about the stop clock is that its going to cause a bigger divide between the club game and inter-county game. We have enough pressure on refs and also a lack of refs in some counties, who would want to do the job? Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 27/01/2020 23:29:45 2263087 Link
Thanks to all wo replied to my initial post. I don't think much more can be said but watch out for the rest of the league; in tight games with time up ..... if the team in the lead gain possession from a kick out the ref will blow up, if the trailing team gain the possession 9 times out of 10 the ref will allow play continue until they score or lose possession. Even the live tv and radio commentators say as much. in their broadcasts Thanks again. Mayfair (Galway) - Posts: 68 - 28/01/2020 15:31:19 2263230 Link