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Ballyhale Shamrocks completed a clean sweep of All Ireland club hurling titles for Kilkenny on Sunday after Tullaroan (intermediate) and Conahy Shamrocks (junior) held up their end of the bargain on Saturday. Has this ever been done before? Just shows how strong the Kilkenny club scene is. Carlow teams are benefitting from playing in their leagues as well.

wex (Wexford) - Posts: 10 - 22/01/2020 17:17:59    2261621

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Replying To wex:  "Ballyhale Shamrocks completed a clean sweep of All Ireland club hurling titles for Kilkenny on Sunday after Tullaroan (intermediate) and Conahy Shamrocks (junior) held up their end of the bargain on Saturday. Has this ever been done before? Just shows how strong the Kilkenny club scene is. Carlow teams are benefitting from playing in their leagues as well."
The first time it has ever be done in either hurling or football.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 22/01/2020 23:41:44    2261697

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Brilliant success story for this county.
Why do we not hear cries of the vast amounts of money being poured into hurling in this county ? The silence is deafening. For me it symbolizes the ethos of the GAA , the club, community and county for all to enjoy.

IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 51 - 23/01/2020 00:06:29    2261699

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Replying To IssacBall:  "Brilliant success story for this county.
Why do we not hear cries of the vast amounts of money being poured into hurling in this county ? The silence is deafening. For me it symbolizes the ethos of the GAA , the club, community and county for all to enjoy."
TBF all the money they have, and its plentiful, goes to hurling. They don't bother with football at all so whatever funds they receive is automatically going in one direction. Hurleys, sliothars, coaching and that's it. No to take away from their achievements but there's no other show in that county. The communities are built around the hurling clubs.

Although to give credit look at the number of former players giving back and helping develop further success. Shefflin with Ballyhale, DJ with underage, Carlow IT and now senior team, Derek Lyng with senior team, Brennan with Laois and so on. That can't be taken away from them and should be duly recognised.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 23/01/2020 12:54:58    2261758

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Replying To brian:  "TBF all the money they have, and its plentiful, goes to hurling. They don't bother with football at all so whatever funds they receive is automatically going in one direction. Hurleys, sliothars, coaching and that's it. No to take away from their achievements but there's no other show in that county. The communities are built around the hurling clubs.

Although to give credit look at the number of former players giving back and helping develop further success. Shefflin with Ballyhale, DJ with underage, Carlow IT and now senior team, Derek Lyng with senior team, Brennan with Laois and so on. That can't be taken away from them and should be duly recognised."
Here we go again, more ignorance regarding football in Kilkenny

From Wikipedia: There is an excellent underage and adult club football structure in Kilkenny. Glenmore, Mullinavat, Railyard and Muckalee are the football strongholds.

All Kilkenny clubs are dual, both hurling and football. There are football leagues at all ages. The county football team plays in the All-Britain Football Championship, winning it it 2015, 2017, 2018, and also the Leinster Junior Football Championship.

All this costs money.

Here's the GAA fixtures in Kilkenny this weekend, nearly all football.

http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?countyBoardID=15&daysAfter=12&nosort=1&orderByRank=Y

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 13:29:26    2261773

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I think the other thing that needs to be considered here is the 'position' that the Kilkenny Teams are sitting in comparison to other counties.

Take Conahy Shamrock, they are the 25th team in Kilkenny (12 Senior & Inter). Using Galway as an example, theyre 25th team would be their Inter Champions.

In order for the competitions to run at an even playing field, then I think it would be good for HQ to set the amount of Senior, Inter and Junior clubs which there has to be.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 23/01/2020 13:58:10    2261784

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Here we go again, more ignorance regarding football in Kilkenny

From Wikipedia: There is an excellent underage and adult club football structure in Kilkenny. Glenmore, Mullinavat, Railyard and Muckalee are the football strongholds.

All Kilkenny clubs are dual, both hurling and football. There are football leagues at all ages. The county football team plays in the All-Britain Football Championship, winning it it 2015, 2017, 2018, and also the Leinster Junior Football Championship.

All this costs money.

Here's the GAA fixtures in Kilkenny this weekend, nearly all football.

You" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?countyBoardID=15&daysAfter=12&nosort=1&orderByRank=Y"
You would think before you go to the bother of posting that you would check your facts, there is no league football at U15 or U17 level in KK.
The U15 and U17 Championship isn't played until Dec. Yes there is adult League fixtures this weekend which is the first round of fixtures of three.

carlowkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 2 - 23/01/2020 14:25:47    2261788

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Replying To juicy:  "I think the other thing that needs to be considered here is the 'position' that the Kilkenny Teams are sitting in comparison to other counties.

Take Conahy Shamrock, they are the 25th team in Kilkenny (12 Senior & Inter). Using Galway as an example, theyre 25th team would be their Inter Champions.

In order for the competitions to run at an even playing field, then I think it would be good for HQ to set the amount of Senior, Inter and Junior clubs which there has to be."
Galway have 6 Senior, 7 Intermediate & 6 Junior hurling teams. 19 in total.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 14:29:53    2261789

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Replying To carlowkat:  "You would think before you go to the bother of posting that you would check your facts, there is no league football at U15 or U17 level in KK.
The U15 and U17 Championship isn't played until Dec. Yes there is adult League fixtures this weekend which is the first round of fixtures of three."
You're splitting hairs. League or Championship, football is played at all ages in Kilkenny.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 14:33:58    2261791

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You're splitting hairs. League or Championship, football is played at all ages in Kilkenny."
Not splitting hairs at all, at U17 and U15 a team is only guaranteed 1 game. At adult level, they are only guaranteed 4.

carlowkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 2 - 23/01/2020 17:26:39    2261816

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Galway have 6 Senior, 7 Intermediate & 6 Junior hurling teams. 19 in total."
Galway have 24 senior clubs.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 23/01/2020 17:33:55    2261818

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Galway have 6 Senior, 7 Intermediate & 6 Junior hurling teams. 19 in total."
Seriously ill informed post.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 979 - 23/01/2020 18:14:17    2261824

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Here we go again, more ignorance regarding football in Kilkenny

From Wikipedia: There is an excellent underage and adult club football structure in Kilkenny. Glenmore, Mullinavat, Railyard and Muckalee are the football strongholds.

All Kilkenny clubs are dual, both hurling and football. There are football leagues at all ages. The county football team plays in the All-Britain Football Championship, winning it it 2015, 2017, 2018, and also the Leinster Junior Football Championship.

All this costs money.

Here's the GAA fixtures in Kilkenny this weekend, nearly all football.

Does" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?countyBoardID=15&daysAfter=12&nosort=1&orderByRank=Y"
Does dual code allow you claim additional allowances for both football and hurling ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 23/01/2020 18:51:13    2261832

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Replying To catch22:  "Does dual code allow you claim additional allowances for both football and hurling ?"
And what;s your point?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 21:58:59    2261851

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Replying To carlowkat:  "Not splitting hairs at all, at U17 and U15 a team is only guaranteed 1 game. At adult level, they are only guaranteed 4."
But they play football! Look at the post I was replying to, they stated there was no football in Kilkenny.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 22:01:07    2261852

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Replying To Westfester:  "Seriously ill informed post."
Apologies I got mixed up. Trying to reply to different people at the same time.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 23/01/2020 22:02:49    2261853

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Kilkenny has 12 senior clubs, 12 intermediate clubs, the rest Junior or lower. Some of the stronger senior clubs would have their second teams hurling at Junior level. Any team that wins the inter or junior in Kilkenny is going to be a decent outfit, they tend to win most of the All Ireland Junior and inter championships.

TheImmortal (USA) - Posts: 24 - 23/01/2020 23:16:22    2261860

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Also Tipp had 30 senior and 18 intermediate teams in 2019. So for the junior cship, the 49th "best" team is representing Tipp (never really the case either as a senior clubs second team cant represent the county). Likewise 31st best team at intermediate compared to 13th in KK.

It's not a level playing field and I think Tipp should have sorted this out themselves years ago. Increasing senior teams a number of years ago has reduced the quality of all 3 competitions. Glad the GAA are proposing to change this.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 24/01/2020 00:18:33    2261862

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Replying To juicy:  "I think the other thing that needs to be considered here is the 'position' that the Kilkenny Teams are sitting in comparison to other counties.

Take Conahy Shamrock, they are the 25th team in Kilkenny (12 Senior & Inter). Using Galway as an example, theyre 25th team would be their Inter Champions.

In order for the competitions to run at an even playing field, then I think it would be good for HQ to set the amount of Senior, Inter and Junior clubs which there has to be."
Yer man from Laois is all over this argument these days, and while mathematically it sounds lovely, it conviently ignores county population numbers. Kilkenny county has a population of about 99,000, Galway has a population of 258,000, Laois has 84,000, and of course Dublin has 1.3 million and Cork has over 500,000. Any talk about fixing the number of senior, intermediate, and junior teams will only benefit the counties with large population bases, and may even leave the smaller counties scrambling to fill the team 'quota'.

If there is going to be some effort to regulate this, which I'm not opposed to, it has to be based on player base numbers, not a one size fits all.

Or better still, stop playing silly buggers with false dichotomies, and let the counties find their own balance.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 24/01/2020 00:36:44    2261866

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "And what;s your point?"
Just wondering if this is the case. Do you know?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 24/01/2020 09:01:03    2261880

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