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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Down and Cavan were under new management last year, so were experimental with the teams.
That wasn't good enough yesterday, the panel Cavan had yesterday is what's there for the year, plus a few others like McLauglin, James Smith to come back. They'll improve but they have too, or will be in relegation trouble"
What makes you think that's what is there for the year? A panel hasn't been announced.

Last year's McKenna Cup first game team was:

Galligan
O'Connor, Faulkner, Moynagh
S Murray, C. Brady, Stuart
Argue, Galligan
M. Reilly, N. Murray, Cadden
P Smith, S Smith, C. Madden

Only seven of that team went on to be regular starters for the League and Championship. 3 or 4 were never seen again.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 30/12/2019 18:53:02    2256556

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Cavan only had 5 or 6 starting, because there has been a lot of departures. If Cavan were to get a few Injures on top of the players who have gone, it wouldn't be a good situation.

Niall Murray I think will be the main man to lead Cavan this year, showed lots of determination when he came on, he always had the potential, probaly wasn't played in his best position until 2019"
From the ulster semi final replay last year cavan had 6 starters yesterday while Armagh had 7 from that game so I'm not sure what people are on about.

theham (Cavan) - Posts: 91 - 30/12/2019 20:01:02    2256564

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Replying To theham:  "From the ulster semi final replay last year cavan had 6 starters yesterday while Armagh had 7 from that game so I'm not sure what people are on about."
Armagh were missing players like Oisin O'Neill last year though. Yesterday is closer to their starting panel for this year.
To be honest, I wouldn't be reading too much into it though as you don't know what preparation either team is putting into the game - Armagh need results because McGeeney is under huge pressure with the McEntees now available.
Cavan didn't need a result. Its the McKenna Cup.
I'd be panicking if we get kicked off the pitch like that in the Athletic Grounds in 3 weeks but not now.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 01/01/2020 12:01:31    2256720

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "Armagh were missing players like Oisin O'Neill last year though. Yesterday is closer to their starting panel for this year.
To be honest, I wouldn't be reading too much into it though as you don't know what preparation either team is putting into the game - Armagh need results because McGeeney is under huge pressure with the McEntees now available.
Cavan didn't need a result. Its the McKenna Cup.
I'd be panicking if we get kicked off the pitch like that in the Athletic Grounds in 3 weeks but not now."
Normally walking away from a McKenna cup game the taught would be of what new players we un covered and in the back of the mind the comfort of knowing we have 8 or 9 of the better quality player still to come back for the first league game . Unfortunately this year we don't have that comfort.

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 292 - 01/01/2020 22:11:04    2256770

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Replying To goonie:  "Normally walking away from a McKenna cup game the taught would be of what new players we un covered and in the back of the mind the comfort of knowing we have 8 or 9 of the better quality player still to come back for the first league game . Unfortunately this year we don't have that comfort."
We do have a good few still to come in:

Jason McLoughlin
Killian Brady
Gerry Smith
Thomas Galligan (apparently asked back in now)
Conor Brady
Oisin Pierson
James Smith
Patrick Lynch

Then you'll have Niall Murray and McKiernan also to start.

I actually think with the addition of Connolly and Conor Smith, although McVeety is a big loss, our forward line looks more balanced than lost year.

If you don't start McKiernan at midfield, you can have a forward line of:

Martin Reilly
G. McKiernan
N Murray
C Smith
C Madden
O Pierson/R Connolly

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 05/01/2020 10:21:13    2257456

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "We do have a good few still to come in:

Jason McLoughlin
Killian Brady
Gerry Smith
Thomas Galligan (apparently asked back in now)
Conor Brady
Oisin Pierson
James Smith
Patrick Lynch

Then you'll have Niall Murray and McKiernan also to start.

I actually think with the addition of Connolly and Conor Smith, although McVeety is a big loss, our forward line looks more balanced than lost year.

If you don't start McKiernan at midfield, you can have a forward line of:

Martin Reilly
G. McKiernan
N Murray
C Smith
C Madden
O Pierson/R Connolly"
All good honest lads, but as a collective would they be good enough to come out on top against Tyrone or Donegal defences? I think we know the answer.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 05/01/2020 11:52:39    2257471

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "All good honest lads, but as a collective would they be good enough to come out on top against Tyrone or Donegal defences? I think we know the answer."
You're taking about two of the top five teams in the country though. There's a clear hierarchy of sides - Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal & Tyrone being the top five.
Cavan are in the next batch alongside the likes of Meath, Roscommon, Monaghan and Galway.
That's a lot better than we were a few years back in 2012 when we just about avoided relegation to Division 4 but we do need some fresh faces from minor and U20 teams if we want to move to that top five next level, particularly forwards.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 451 - 05/01/2020 17:48:40    2257564

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "We do have a good few still to come in:

Jason McLoughlin
Killian Brady
Gerry Smith
Thomas Galligan (apparently asked back in now)
Conor Brady
Oisin Pierson
James Smith
Patrick Lynch

Then you'll have Niall Murray and McKiernan also to start.

I actually think with the addition of Connolly and Conor Smith, although McVeety is a big loss, our forward line looks more balanced than lost year.

If you don't start McKiernan at midfield, you can have a forward line of:

Martin Reilly
G. McKiernan
N Murray
C Smith
C Madden
O Pierson/R Connolly"
Raymond Galligan

Faulkner
McLoughlin Killian Brady
Oisin Kiernan & Gerry Smith
Stephen Murray Ciaran Brady
James Smith & Thomas Galligan
Gearoid McKiernan

Niall Murray Martin Reilly


Conor Smith & Conor Madden
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That's what I would with against Armagh. I think we lack scoring power in the forwards and might as well stay competitive. This way, with my 3-2-2-3-2-2 formation, I think we can introduce the promising new/young players who are most liekly to turn into useful assets in the coming years (S. Murray, Conor Smith and the two young midfielders) into a system that will also make us hard to beat.

We dont have a centre back in the county at the moment. So I have gone with two centre backs..

I would see the defence as a larger zonal operation with Faulkner perhaps tagging the marquee forward depending on how good they are. The attacking wing backs have a good clear wing with a license to gallop, while J. Smith and T. Galligan would be expected to hold the middle to and save their energy for putting in hits and winning kickouts. Gearoid being a midfielder only for kickouts and then a wandering auxilary forward for the remainder of the time.

I think this team in this formation could compete for D2 promotion. But I think even the same personal in a 6-2-6 formation would have a very disappointing league. The inside two would also have alot of pressure on them to step up but I think they are the two most worth taking a chance on.

Not a huge amount of Div2 ready standard left after the above in my opinion unfortunately, Conor Brady as one of the midfield 2 perhaps, and I would look to Ryan Connolly as my next choice inside man, but I feel he lacks the movement of the other two to get out in front for long balls, which is important for an inside forward in my formation, or indeed any formation.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 282 - 06/01/2020 14:43:47    2257760

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Raymond Galligan

Faulkner
McLoughlin Killian Brady
Oisin Kiernan & Gerry Smith
Stephen Murray Ciaran Brady
James Smith & Thomas Galligan
Gearoid McKiernan

Niall Murray Martin Reilly


Conor Smith & Conor Madden
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That's what I would go with against Armagh. I think we lack scoring power in the forwards and might as well stay competitive. With this formation, I think we can introduce the promising new/young players who are most liekly to turn into useful assets in the coming years (S. Murray, Conor Smith and the two young midfielders), into a system that will also make us hard to beat.

We don't have an inter county standard centre back in the county at the moment. So I have gone with two centre backs.

I would see the defence as a largely zonal operation with Faulkner perhaps tagging the marquee forward depending on how good that marquee forward is. The attacking wing backs have an open wing with a license to gallop into, while J. Smith and T. Galligan would be expected to hold the middle to and save their energy for putting in hits and winning kickouts. Gearoid being a midfielder only for kickouts, and then a wandering auxilary forward for the remainder of the time.

I think this team in this formation could compete for D2 promotion. But I think even the same personal in a 6-2-6 formation would have a disappointing league. The inside two would also have alot of pressure on them to step up but I think they are the two most worth taking a chance on.

In my opinion, there are not a huge amount of Div 2 ready standard players left after the above unfortunately, Conor Brady as one of the midfield 2 perhaps, and I would look to Ryan Connolly as my next choice inside man.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 282 - 06/01/2020 15:09:45    2257769

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Raymond Galligan

Faulkner
McLoughlin Killian Brady
Oisin Kiernan & Gerry Smith
Stephen Murray Ciaran Brady
James Smith & Thomas Galligan
Gearoid McKiernan

Niall Murray Martin Reilly


Conor Smith & Conor Madden
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That's what I would go with against Armagh. I think we lack scoring power in the forwards and might as well stay competitive. With this formation, I think we can introduce the promising new/young players who are most liekly to turn into useful assets in the coming years (S. Murray, Conor Smith and the two young midfielders), into a system that will also make us hard to beat.

We don't have an inter county standard centre back in the county at the moment. So I have gone with two centre backs.

I would see the defence as a largely zonal operation with Faulkner perhaps tagging the marquee forward depending on how good that marquee forward is. The attacking wing backs have an open wing with a license to gallop into, while J. Smith and T. Galligan would be expected to hold the middle to and save their energy for putting in hits and winning kickouts. Gearoid being a midfielder only for kickouts, and then a wandering auxilary forward for the remainder of the time.

I think this team in this formation could compete for D2 promotion. But I think even the same personal in a 6-2-6 formation would have a disappointing league. The inside two would also have alot of pressure on them to step up but I think they are the two most worth taking a chance on.

In my opinion, there are not a huge amount of Div 2 ready standard players left after the above unfortunately, Conor Brady as one of the midfield 2 perhaps, and I would look to Ryan Connolly as my next choice inside man."
Is there no other goalkeeper who could be a getting a game in this competition?

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 619 - 06/01/2020 16:01:04    2257794

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "We do have a good few still to come in:

Jason McLoughlin
Killian Brady
Gerry Smith
Thomas Galligan (apparently asked back in now)
Conor Brady
Oisin Pierson
James Smith
Patrick Lynch

Then you'll have Niall Murray and McKiernan also to start.

I actually think with the addition of Connolly and Conor Smith, although McVeety is a big loss, our forward line looks more balanced than lost year.

If you don't start McKiernan at midfield, you can have a forward line of:

Martin Reilly
G. McKiernan
N Murray
C Smith
C Madden
O Pierson/R Connolly"
You're just adding names ..Patrick Lynch has never played Senior, so not like he's a loss to the team at present. James Smith did he get any minutes last year. Some of the others haven't been convincing at County Senior yet.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2228 - 06/01/2020 17:28:06    2257818

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We played some great football against Monaghan and Armagh, then the usual flop came with a poor performance against Donegal.
Men against boys and a huge chasm between the teams.
Armagh were unlucky against mayo.
So what happened to us.
Had a word with a senior referee and he claims there's nothing in the county.

Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 94 - 06/01/2020 18:57:44    2257833

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No doubt something is wrong for so many players to be dropping out. Maybe Mickey needs to assess his back room and see if this could be the issue?
Is it beneficial to be slogging players 6 nights a week at any stage of the year?
It's not easy keeping players happy at the best of times but one things for sure if something is not done to get every player back on that panel soon then that management team are going under the bus. An effective back room team can contribute greatly to a winning team, an ineffective back room team can contribute greatly to a team falling apart. Sort it out.

ParkTheBus (Cavan) - Posts: 9 - 07/01/2020 00:03:57    2257879

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Replying To tom84:  "Changing the club might help but we need to get the best players in that is our biggest problem.
We have these under age development squads and make them at under age you are overlooked later on. We need to go back to playing old style football that suit our players and not this nonsense we are at."
A small bit of research will tell you that Development squads, trials and the like are only a smokescreen for what's really going on, they are only a tick box exercise. It's the same old story every year, the one guaranteed way to make the county minor panel is to play for St Pats, talent isn't a prerequisite. What we have here is the classic case of the tail wagging the dog, and if you want further evidence of same just look at a recent tweet on the official Cavan GAA twitter where they are congratulating St Pats on winning an All Ireland basketball playoff match, when did basketball become a GAA sport?

There are lads on the current county minor panel who didn't even attend the trials, why should they, they play for St Pat's, while the lads discarded were done so by text with the promise of a further trial before Christmas which never happened. In this era of child welfare and protection is this the way we should be treating our young footballers? could you really blame these lads if they never want to commit to Cavan football in the future.

Our underage football is being controlled from Cullies and not Breffni, maybe that's where the centre of excellence should be built.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 15/01/2020 18:29:20    2260057

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Replying To aceofspades:  "A small bit of research will tell you that Development squads, trials and the like are only a smokescreen for what's really going on, they are only a tick box exercise. It's the same old story every year, the one guaranteed way to make the county minor panel is to play for St Pats, talent isn't a prerequisite. What we have here is the classic case of the tail wagging the dog, and if you want further evidence of same just look at a recent tweet on the official Cavan GAA twitter where they are congratulating St Pats on winning an All Ireland basketball playoff match, when did basketball become a GAA sport?

There are lads on the current county minor panel who didn't even attend the trials, why should they, they play for St Pat's, while the lads discarded were done so by text with the promise of a further trial before Christmas which never happened. In this era of child welfare and protection is this the way we should be treating our young footballers? could you really blame these lads if they never want to commit to Cavan football in the future.

Our underage football is being controlled from Cullies and not Breffni, maybe that's where the centre of excellence should be built."
I agree playing with st pats is a good help to get on County. St pats can dictate when they can have players for training. They also have County development coach full time in there.

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 247 - 16/01/2020 18:54:06    2260287

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Replying To tom84:  "I agree playing with st pats is a good help to get on County. St pats can dictate when they can have players for training. They also have County development coach full time in there."
Exactly and it wouldn't cast that coach in a great light if the St Pats players weren't called into the county no matter about their footballing ability, hence some of our best players are overlooked.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 16/01/2020 20:52:43    2260322

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